No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
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No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
What is status of pattern contest at St. Charles, Illinois this weekend? Our buddy is coming back to town and will disrupt another weekend flying here in Chicago! [:'(]Two weeks ago was Nato! I wish he would stay in Washington and stop spending tax dollars we obviously can't afford. Rohm has to be sick of him anyway!!!!! What is the plan Gary????? Move contest to Shorewood, Illinois?
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05-31-2012, 06:12 AM
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RE: No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
I cant wait til November!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is the Secret Service, Homeland Security and the FAA that close down the airspace, they are the true culprits. The AMA has tried without success to get the FAA to allow model flying. Even the AOPA has been met with a stonewall from the FAA on this issue.
05-31-2012, 06:16 AM
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RE: No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
It costs $180,000.00 and hour to fly Air force one.......That's my axe to grind here. The city of Chicago closed 3 of the 5 mental facitlities due to lack of funding. The mighty Quinn is going to add a buck to each pack of cigarette's we sell too. I don't smoke but come on allready!!!!!
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My quibble is that the FAA is way over reacting to the legitimate security concerns that surround any President. It is flat silly to prohibit model airplane flying during the visit of any President. As far as concern about travel costs, well, again, that is something that ALL Presidents incur, not just the ones one of us happens not to like.
BTW - here are some fun facts:
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/the...ing-president/
BTW - here are some fun facts:
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/07/the...ing-president/
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Good to see that you guys will be able to fly. Sorry for the mini-hijack, it's just that I think this is both a stupid action by the FAA/DHS/SS and a silly means to criticize whoever happens to be President.
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RE: No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
Under Bush the folks around Crawford, TX were afected. Oh wait, there isn't anyone around there [&:]
Under Mitt the folks in San Diego will be hosed when he goes to his La Jolla mansion. And they can fly all year, so being closed down for Christmas would not be any fun.
Point is, again, all Presidents travel and for now the FAA is going to continue with their draconian policy of closing down as much flying of any type that they can. This has nothing to do with WHO is President. All that changes with the who is the where.
Under Mitt the folks in San Diego will be hosed when he goes to his La Jolla mansion. And they can fly all year, so being closed down for Christmas would not be any fun.
Point is, again, all Presidents travel and for now the FAA is going to continue with their draconian policy of closing down as much flying of any type that they can. This has nothing to do with WHO is President. All that changes with the who is the where.
05-31-2012, 08:31 AM
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RE: No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
It will get worse. Trust me. At least the weather looks cherry sweet! Wish I could be there, good luck and have fun!
05-31-2012, 08:49 AM
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This is the real deal and the post from the AMA is missleading. We are in area 5 at St Charles this restricts us from flying at 3:45 till 5PM on Fridays practice and from 10AM till 12:30PM on Saturday.
Gary's plan is to fly at 9AM till 10AMof Saturady AM then resume at 12:30. We will have lunch during the break. It's not a big deal and shouldn't stopanyonefrom coming.
Read it carefully we are in area 5.
Gary's plan is to fly at 9AM till 10AMof Saturady AM then resume at 12:30. We will have lunch during the break. It's not a big deal and shouldn't stopanyonefrom coming.
Read it carefully we are in area 5.
A new FDC NOTAM/TFR has been issued for the greater Chicago, IL metropolitan area beginning Friday, 6/1 at 3:45p and continuing until 12:30p CDT on Saturday, 6/2. The TFR is issued for security purposes to cover VIP movement in this area.Outdoor Radio Controlled model aircraft operations are prohibited within the 30nm circles for the specific times listed below. Control Line and Free Flight modelers should use discretion and follow the directions of local law enforcement and government officials when operating within the 10nm inner circles.Please note that TFRs are subject to change with very short notice. Check back often for the most current NOTAM/TFR information.
Timely alerts are also available on the web at: www#modelaircraft#org/membership/clubs/notams#aspx or on your cell phone at: Twitter#com/amagov#
See the link to the TFR below for more detailed information regarding the restrictions:
- [*]Area 1 (6/1, 3:45p – 5:00p CDT)
(30nm radius from Latitude: 41º58’46”N, Longitude: 87º54'21"W)[*]Area 2 (6/1, 3:45p – 5:00p CDT)
(10nm radius from Latitude: 41º58’46”N, Longitude: 87º54'21"W)[*]Area 3 (6/1, 4:15p – 6/2, 10:45a CDT)
(30nm radius from Latitude: 41º52’42”N, Longitude: 87º37'02"W)[*]Area 4 (6/1, 4:15p – 6/2, 10:45a CDT)
(10nm radius from Latitude: 41º52’42”N, Longitude: 87º37'02"W)[*]Area 5 (6/2, 10:00a – 12:30p CDT)
(30nm radius from Latitude: 41º58’46”N, Longitude: 87º54'21"W)[*]Area 6 (6/2, 10:00a – 12:30p CDT)
(10nm radius from Latitude: 41º58’46”N, Longitude: 87º54'21"W)[/list]
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RE: No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
Thanks for the data Mike We were checking the impact. I checked the other contest i could go too in MPLS they have a TFR also. Will see you guys in ST. Charles.
Mark B is coming. So after a couple of contest last year he is planning a few this year so i would say we have a new pattern flyer. Need to get some pictures of your motor mount the second Xigris-PW will have a Advance.
Mark
Mark B is coming. So after a couple of contest last year he is planning a few this year so i would say we have a new pattern flyer. Need to get some pictures of your motor mount the second Xigris-PW will have a Advance.
Mark
05-31-2012, 06:09 PM
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And llindsey 1965......your comment has exactly what to do with the nature of the thread my friend???
If you wish to comment on politics please find another board somewhere to do so......leave sites like RCU and others for the sole purpose of discussing RC related matters
If you wish to comment on politics please find another board somewhere to do so......leave sites like RCU and others for the sole purpose of discussing RC related matters
05-31-2012, 09:12 PM
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Is it me or have TFR zones gotten larger over the years? I mean 30 or 32 miles!?! Really!!! What did prior presidents have I wonder.
About a week ago we had a TFR in Des Moines that included towns like Ames and Newton (see link). What kind of threat can a rc airplane pose to the Prez from such a distance?
http://02b954f.netsolhost.com/amatfr13.html
About a week ago we had a TFR in Des Moines that included towns like Ames and Newton (see link). What kind of threat can a rc airplane pose to the Prez from such a distance?
http://02b954f.netsolhost.com/amatfr13.html
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RE: No Fly area - St. Charles, Illinois Fri- Sat?
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oh it is ok for silent and the others to say bad things about Romney but dont touch obama ***
oh it is ok for silent and the others to say bad things about Romney but dont touch obama ***
I said nothing bad about anyone. I simply pointed out that the "who" of the President has nothing to do with TFRs. They started right after 9/11. The SS and DHS prevailed upon the FAA to expand the use of them for VIP travel. You probably will not notice them unless you are someplace the President is going. If Romney becomes President then I suspect he will spend time in the new house he is building in La Jolla. There will no doubt be a TFR there when he does. So like I said, the "who" has nothing to do with it. It is the "where" that the President is traveling.
That the FAA includes model airplanes in these things is beyond absurd. The AMA has tried to get them to relax that restriction, but so far the FAA has not shown any willingness to do so.
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I said nothing bad about anyone. I simply pointed out that the ''who'' of the President has nothing to do with TFRs. They started right after 9/11. The SS and DHS prevailed upon the FAA to expand the use of them for VIP travel. You probably will not notice them unless you are someplace the President is going. If Romney becomes President then I suspect he will spend time in the new house he is building in La Jolla. There will no doubt be a TFR there when he does. So like I said, the ''who'' has nothing to do with it. It is the ''where'' that the President is traveling.
That the FAA includes model airplanes in these things is beyond absurd. The AMA has tried to get them to relax that restriction, but so far the FAA has not shown any willingness to do so.
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oh it is ok for silent and the others to say bad things about Romney but dont touch obama ***
oh it is ok for silent and the others to say bad things about Romney but dont touch obama ***
I said nothing bad about anyone. I simply pointed out that the ''who'' of the President has nothing to do with TFRs. They started right after 9/11. The SS and DHS prevailed upon the FAA to expand the use of them for VIP travel. You probably will not notice them unless you are someplace the President is going. If Romney becomes President then I suspect he will spend time in the new house he is building in La Jolla. There will no doubt be a TFR there when he does. So like I said, the ''who'' has nothing to do with it. It is the ''where'' that the President is traveling.
That the FAA includes model airplanes in these things is beyond absurd. The AMA has tried to get them to relax that restriction, but so far the FAA has not shown any willingness to do so.
Romney gets me about as excited as the keyboard I'm typing this post on does. Obama is the same way. Though I am adding to the conversation, I don't believe this is the proper venue to discuss politics.
06-01-2012, 03:15 AM
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Don't care whether you're for or against anyone in particular.......just think that if you wish to share your political views you should do so on an appropriate board because this post/board sure isn't the right place.
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I agree Bill. D4 and D5 have a large amount of "battleground" states. These NOTAMS will get more frequent the closer we get to the election, and given our short flying season, more contests could be affected.
It seems the St. Charles contest is taking this in stride and I have no doubts it will be a good event. Wish I could be there!
It seems the St. Charles contest is taking this in stride and I have no doubts it will be a good event. Wish I could be there!
06-01-2012, 04:54 AM
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Don't care whether you're for or against anyone in particular.......just think that if you wish to share your political views you should do so on an appropriate board because this post/board sure isn't the right place.
Don't care whether you're for or against anyone in particular.......just think that if you wish to share your political views you should do so on an appropriate board because this post/board sure isn't the right place.
06-01-2012, 04:56 AM
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Mike,
Taking that time to do a judging certification might not be a bad idea either if you guys could figure out how to do it in such a short time. All of the info is online, so they aren't as necessary, but at least discussing some of the new maneuvers in FAI and such could be helpful.
Arch
Taking that time to do a judging certification might not be a bad idea either if you guys could figure out how to do it in such a short time. All of the info is online, so they aren't as necessary, but at least discussing some of the new maneuvers in FAI and such could be helpful.
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Though I am adding to the conversation, I don't believe this is the proper venue to discuss politics.
Though I am adding to the conversation, I don't believe this is the proper venue to discuss politics.
06-01-2012, 07:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R
I said nothing bad about anyone. I simply pointed out that the ''who'' of the President has nothing to do with TFRs. They started right after 9/11. The SS and DHS prevailed upon the FAA to expand the use of them for VIP travel. You probably will not notice them unless you are someplace the President is going. If Romney becomes President then I suspect he will spend time in the new house he is building in La Jolla. There will no doubt be a TFR there when he does. So like I said, the ''who'' has nothing to do with it. It is the ''where'' that the President is traveling.
That the FAA includes model airplanes in these things is beyond absurd. The AMA has tried to get them to relax that restriction, but so far the FAA has not shown any willingness to do so.
ORIGINAL: llindsey1965
oh it is ok for silent and the others to say bad things about Romney but dont touch obama ***
oh it is ok for silent and the others to say bad things about Romney but dont touch obama ***
I said nothing bad about anyone. I simply pointed out that the ''who'' of the President has nothing to do with TFRs. They started right after 9/11. The SS and DHS prevailed upon the FAA to expand the use of them for VIP travel. You probably will not notice them unless you are someplace the President is going. If Romney becomes President then I suspect he will spend time in the new house he is building in La Jolla. There will no doubt be a TFR there when he does. So like I said, the ''who'' has nothing to do with it. It is the ''where'' that the President is traveling.
That the FAA includes model airplanes in these things is beyond absurd. The AMA has tried to get them to relax that restriction, but so far the FAA has not shown any willingness to do so.
Actually this nonsense started after 9/11 by a decision of the Bush administration. At the time, it made sense given the hysteria (remember the directions to buy plastic and duct tape?). The strange thing is that being a AOPA member, I get the e-mail way ahead (days) indicting where and when the president will visit... Now, since it was imposed by a Republican administration, it will not be brought down by a Republican administration either. So, do not expect to see this change in 2016 (next chance to have a Republican administration.)
My guess is that we will have to learn to live with it, and thank GeorgeW.
Gerry
06-01-2012, 07:56 AM
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Actually this nonsense started after 9/11 by a decision of the Bush administration. At the time, it made sense given the hysteria (remember the directions to buy plastic and duct tape?). The strange thing is that being a AOPA member, I get the e-mail way ahead (days) indicting where and when the president will visit... Now, since it was imposed by a Republican administration, it will not be brought down by a Republican administration either. So, do not expect to see this change in 2016 (next chance to have a Republican administration.)
My guess is that we will have to learn to live with it, and thank GeorgeW.
Gerry
My guess is that we will have to learn to live with it, and thank GeorgeW.
Gerry