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Old 03-12-2013, 08:51 PM
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The Shindens are in, and they are spectacular! Included with every shinden is a parts list and the weight of EVERY major component. I double-checked the factory and with the exception of a gram or two on a couple of parts, they weren't lying about any of it (there was, however and obvious transcription error on the chin cowl on my list). Here's the weights that I came up with:
Fuselage - 914g
Canopy - 120g
Chin Cowl - 76g
Left Stab - 122g
Right Stab (with stab tubes) - 140g
Left Wing - 402g
Right Wing - 389g
Wing Tube - 83g
Landing Gear - 120g
Wheel Pants - 22g
Firewall - 45g
Servo Tray - 19g
Misc Hardware - 56g
Total weight of all included components: 2518g
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:58 AM
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Beautiful is right! Electric or Glow version?
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Beautiful is right! Electric or Glow version?
Glow version. Also, keep in mind the total weight listed includes generic hardware provided by the factory that most pattern pilots would never use on their airplanes, plus extra miscellaneous things that aren't necessarily going to be included in the construction. Bryan has said the electric version can be expected to come in around 2350 - 2400g without electronics. The glow version should be around 2500g without radio/engine. Being the perfectionist that he is, Bryan won't rest until every gram that can be shed has been shed, and will continue to work with the factory to refine the electric version even further since this is only their first attempt at making the LTE version. The first shipment included 10 Shindens from 2 different production runs, and as we were inspecting the delivery last night it was obvious that even between the 2 production runs there were refinements to shed weight. It will only get better from here.

As a comparison the glow-powered Shinden I flew in the Nats last year made weight with fuel. Without fuel I seem to remember the weight coming in at something like 4750 without fuel. This one I picked up yesterday could end up coming in somewhere between 4650 - 4700 without fuel.
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Hey not bad looking. It does not have the cab-forward "Pinky and the Brain" huge cranium that some of the planes of recent history seem to have.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:53 AM
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Hey not bad looking. It does not have the cab-forward ''Pinky and the Brain'' huge cranium that some of the planes of recent history seem to have.
OK, I can't stop laughing at the "Pinky and the Brain" reference , but that is a very appropriate way to describe the looks of the forward canopy airplanes. Either that or a Beluga whale. This design actually dates back to 04-05, before forward canopy was all the rage. Frankly I think it looks better (more like a real plane might) and I think Bryan has said there's no real performance advantage of one over the other.
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Looks great, Matt!
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Great looking ship, Matt. Now if retracts will continue the comeback all will be well in the pattern world! There were a couple very nice examples of Bryan's Patriot series at Crowley last fall; maybe he might be tempted to bring it foward, also...That's one guy's opinion, anyway...

I'm going to be visiting in Denham Springs Thursday and Friday; if a couple Shinden's slip out the front gate, I promise they'll have a good home in central Mis'sippi!!!

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Matt,
It sure is a beauty. Where can I get one? (The glow version)
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I`ve never seen Matt so Excited
We inspected all the models ,they were within 50 grams of each other
There are two scheme versions , some with the Name and logo`s, some with no name or logo.
I made changes in the production runs.

Scott Mcharg will be installing My Contra drive in a custom scheme version for His Shinden I`m excited to learn what I can on this.
I will be reporting back a side by side compare of the two different power systems.

I already have feed back on the Valiant so I`m sure this will add to my understanding of this Unit for the New designs.

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Any status update on when the second shipment will be arriving?
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I`m waiting on the factory for a response on delivery for the second batch.
It has 5 custom color schemes on the order and it`s slowing the process down some.

Some of the improvements on the new models are,
Longer gear (finaly ) to be able to run 22" props

Lighter Canopy ( all glass) you can still get clear if you want,Lighter and beautiful Round carbon cloth wing tubes
A better canopy mount system , (less rattle) a rear fuse crutch, ability to run the servos in the stabs.
Lighter wheel pants, tubes in the wing and fuse for running the servo wires, Better center hinges (ease of opperation )
The tunnel for the pipe is wider and longer.

Over all, lighter airframe.

I will have a few available glow and electric ,on the second batch most of those are sold as well.

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The Shindens are in, and they are spectacular!
I like the lines of this model. Very nice Matt (and Bryan). The weight is on par with most and maybe a little lighter than some....
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is that weight on the wings with servo?

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is that weight on the wings with servo?

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No, that weight is as they came from the factory. I expect servos and linkage to add about 58g to each wing.
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not bad!!! nice looking bird!!!!!

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These pics show the box a Shinden comes in, the bagged/covered parts as received, and how the airframe looks with absolutely no assembly. This is an electric version.
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Confession time...

The pictures in the previous post had the stabs on reversed such that the bottoms were showing on top. I guess that's what happens when you're excited about unboxing a new plane while drinking a few beers.

The two pictures below show the difference in the top vs. bottom scheme. The1st picture is the top(which matches the wings) and the 2nd pic is the bottom. One good thing this indicates though is that they are nicely aligned because either way they matched the fuse taper and snugged up nicely. Once I get the servos and linkages installed I'm quite sure that I'll never make that mistake again. LOL

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That is OK buddy, both sides look great...

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I get a kick out of Bryan's pronunciation guide on the rudder!

Beautiful model, and a design with staying power.
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I get a kick out of Bryan's pronunciation guide on the rudder!
LOL. Cajuns sometimes have to help us with phonetics...
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I Like the Body bag.. Beats the heck out of the garbage bag i toted mine home from the nats in..


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These pics show the box a Shinden comes in, the bagged/covered parts as received, and how the airframe looks with absolutely no assembly. This is an electric version.
Dean, I heard a rumor you wanted to move up to Masters with me so we can compete for last place!
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Dean, I heard a rumor you wanted to move up to Masters with me so we can compete for last place!
Nasty Rumor!

I'm still working on:
    [*]Staying in the Box[*]Flying Wings Level[*]Centering Maneuvers on the Pole[*]Centering Maneuvers on a Line[*]Having Equal Radii[*]Wind Correcting[*]Holding a Heading after a Maneuver[*]Flying at 150 Meters[*]Not Flopping a Stall Turn[*]Hitting Snaps Consistently[*]Flying True Vertical Lines[*]Flying Accurate 45 Lines[*]Not Showing a Pendulum Effect after a Hammer[*]Flying a Constant Radius in a Loop[*]Using the Rudder Properly[*]Hitting Points Accurately on Point Rolls[*]Having Equal Line Lengths Each Side of a Maneuver[*]Pivoting a Stall Turn within 1/2 Wing Length[*]Landing on Center Pole[*]Just Remembering the Darn Sequence![/list]
    Yep, I'm definitely ready to move up. NOT.....
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Dean, I heard a rumor you wanted to move up to Masters with me so we can compete for last place!
Nasty Rumor!

I'm still working on:
    [*]Staying in the Box[*]Flying Wings Level[*]Centering Maneuvers on the Pole[*]Centering Maneuvers on a Line[*]Having Equal Radii[*]Wind Correcting[*]Holding a Heading after a Maneuver[*]Flying at 150 Meters[*]Not Flopping a Stall Turn[*]Hitting Snaps Consistently[*]Flying True Vertical Lines[*]Flying Accurate 45 Lines[*]Not Showing a Pendulum Effect after a Hammer[*]Flying a Constant Radius in a Loop[*]Using the Rudder Properly[*]Hitting Points Accurately on Point Rolls[*]Having Equal Line Lengths Each Side of a Maneuver[*]Pivoting a Stall Turn within 1/2 Wing Length[*]Landing on Center Pole[*]Just Remembering the Darn Sequence![/list]
    Yep, I'm definitely ready to move up. NOT.....
You sound like a pattern flier or something Dean. Isn't that what we all work on regardless of class?

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Was going to say, that looks like a list of stuff I'm still working on, too...
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