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Old 05-18-2013, 03:52 PM
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What would you think about buying one of [link=http://www.airborne-models.com/html/productdetails.asp?ProductID=158]these[/link] as a sport flyer and something to generally improve your precision skills? I'll never compete in pattern but have been told that pattern planes are purpose built and fly better than anything else.
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I searched the Internet to find info or someone Who have one..... nothing!
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Here's the direct link to the page on Airborne Models' website. They were showing the Commander at Toledo: http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...?ProductID=158
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What would you think about buying one of [link=http://www.airborne-models.com/html/productdetails.asp?ProductID=158]these[/link] as a sport flyer and something to generally improve your precision skills? I'll never compete in pattern but have been told that pattern planes are purpose built and fly better than anything else.
50cc gasoline engines on stock mufflers are LOUD!! Even canisters are loud compared to normal pattern. It's gonna sound like an IMAC model. If your field can handle it, great. Larger flies better and thoroughbred Pattern models fly better than anything else in terms of smoothness, gracefullness,and just the pure joy of flying. If you prefer 3D and banging the sticks all over the TX face, Pattern models don't do that.....

If you want pattern-like quiet, then I recommend the following:

First and foremost, room in the belly for a full tuned pipe. One of the best is ES Composites carbon pipe (that's what I'm using in my DLE55 powered Delta) (Delta is a large original design but does fit in the 2x2 meter box)

Second and just as important, a soft rubber isolation engine mount. I make my own but Hyde should be able to make one for you. If not, contact me

Third and just as important, use a Mezjlik 20x12 3 blade prop. The 12" pitch is critical for electric like quietness.

I've experimented a lot with the DLE55 set-up per the above and have found that itmakes tons of power on pipe and is whisper quiet. My Delta which uses this exact powerplant will maiden Monday most likely (weather permitting).

Looks like Delta is going to be just about 11 lbs so it'd be pattern legal. Also, size is 1150 sq inches but fits inside the 2x2.....legal all around. Certainly doesn't need that much power but, what the heck. I can fly it at 1/4 throttle. Will turn the loud 50 cc gas powerplants on their heads

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Sitnfly,

For what you want to do you will have a blast with that plane for sure, I have owned several airplanes form World Models and they are great and well made, whatever combination you want to use of power it will be good for what you want to do.

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I had the opportunity to test flown the Commander 50cc this past weekend, and came away very impressed. Even though, I was only able to put in three flights, but already felt very comfortable after the first one. This particular plane actually is their prototype & belongs to one of the World's owner, it equips with a DA 50 with KS tuned pipe & all Futaba servos.

This is my first time flying a plane this size with a gasoline engine but was amazed on how well it handles the wind & was instantly addicted to the power. Most of the time I was barely using 1/4 throttle for straight & level flight & just above 1/2 for verticals. Since it was fairly windy that day, I was only able to get in some basic trim flights. However, I did set up the snap condition & the plane snaps fairly clean, actually close to a pattern plane. In the nest few weeks, I will do some more trim flights for knife edges & will probably be able to convince my friend to switch the aileron & rudder to digitals.

I will report again after putting it through the P sequence & also will take some more pix on the internal construction. However, I must say, for under $800.00, it's definitely worth it.

Here are some pix. Notice the size of the 50cc on one of the pix next to my tiny 40 size E Commander - also by World Models:-

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Looks good. I understand the incidence on the wing and (maybe) the tail are adjustable. Do you see a need to use that feature yet?
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Looks good. I understand the incidence on the wing and (maybe) the tail are adjustable. Do you see a need to use that feature yet?
Yes, definitely. As a matter of fact, I'm planning on adding some positive on the wing to get rid of some of the up trim after more flight time.

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Adrian, very cool!

Just a weeee bit more beans than the YS175......Which prop are you turning?
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Adrian, very cool!

Just a weeee bit more beans than the YS175......Which prop are you turning?
Hi Matt,

How are you? He's using the Falcon 22x10. Don't know what rpm, but will check next time.

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After many, many trim flights, I'm finally satisfy on how my friend's AirMaster - formally the Commander - performs.

I readjusted the throttle curve - added a bit more speed delay on both advancing & retarding, increase the in & out rudder speed control from 10 to 13, increase the aileron roll rate for 5 more percent & decrease the rudder rate 5% when the snap condition kicks in. P-15 is now a breeze, will see how the F perform next time.

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I have just completed a build of a Commander 50 (now called the AirMaster) using a Hacker Q80 and a 10s 8000 mAH battery and Xoar 22x12. The large packs were for CG and should have the benefit of slightly longer flight times I hope
It has been setup the same as a gas engine,,just a 5% more forward CG as stated in the manual. Some minor mods needed for battery mounting, but otherwise a stock build
as soon as the weather improves, I hope to head out to the field and see how it flies.

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Finally have the chance to continue flight testing with the AirMaster again, this time to try the F3A F-15 sequence. Although, it is not as clean as a full blown 2 meter pattern plane, but still very capable on handling the sequence, and I especially like the pace of the plane giving you more time to think and to react. With the snap condition fine tuned to my liking, it now handles the vertical opposite snaps with ease. Unfortunately, we're coming to the close of our current sequence cycle, meaning, I have to start learning how to fly the P & F-17 sequence ... .

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Weather has been really nice lately - calm before the next storm - decided to help my friend to test his second AirMaster. The equipment he's using is the same as on the prototype, but this one has the actual production color scheme, & it looks much nicer. Plane flies the same as the other one, very nice positive & negative snaps. Presently, it's carrying about one degree positive incidence, with slight tucking to the belly on both rudders during knife edge & also very slight rolling with the same rudder direction. Hopefully, weather stays nice this coming weekend & will do more further trimming. A very promising sports plane indeed.

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Weather has been really nice lately - calm before the next storm - decided to help my friend to test his second AirMaster. The equipment he's using is the same as on the prototype, but this one has the actual production color scheme, & it looks much nicer. Plane flies the same as the other one, very nice positive & negative snaps. Presently, it's carrying about one degree positive incidence, with slight tucking to the belly on both rudders during knife edge & also very slight rolling with the same rudder direction. Hopefully, weather stays nice this coming weekend & will do more further trimming. A very promising sports plane indeed.

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Hi Adrian did you say the guy was a friend of yours? Would you ask him if he would be willing to sell me an ARC version of the model? I hate plastic film and would hate to strip it off.

My 55cc engine needs a home. Does it have a tuned pipe ready belly?
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Yes, it has a tuned pipe ready belly
You can download the manual from airborne-models website and see the install and build pictures
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Hi Adrian did you say the guy was a friend of yours? Would you ask him if he would be willing to sell me an ARC version of the model? I hate plastic film and would hate to strip it off.

My 55cc engine needs a home. Does it have a tuned pipe ready belly?
Hi Matt, please contact my friend - Fai Chan @ Airborne Models - abmodels@aol.com directly.

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It has been awhile since I have had the opportunity to fly my friend's 50cc AirMaster & it still remain one of the most fun plane I have ever flown, its constant speed makes going through the FAI P sequence with ease. Because of on going family commitment on the past year, I didn't have much chances on practicing the F sequence, but am still impressed with the capability of the few maneuvers that I was able to perform. Hopefully, I will get more chances to fly again as the weather out here in the west gets drier.

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