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Old 10-23-2014, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lasers200
Sticking with glow. Don't want my house or car to burn down with lipo fires and only a 7 min run time.
Batteries are for driving servos. .
Old 10-23-2014, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by drac1
Hi Ed,

Which header are you using? I think it may be different to the one I have. Can you post a photo?

The YS header has a copper washer that goes between the flange and head, (I use 2 washers here). The flange is threaded and has a female taper, the header has a male taper that fits in and is held on by a single castellated aluminium nut. These tapers match perfectly and seal when tightened. It's the aluminium nut that comes loose, not the flange in the head.
drac:
I am using one of the headers here. Specifically I use # HAT 822:
http://www.centralhobbies.com/Exhaust/headers.html

After seeing your reply it appears as though we are using different units. Is your unit different than the one on the link above?

Ed
Old 10-23-2014, 02:36 PM
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The only problem I have with YS is the lack of mufflers and headers for the larger engines. It seems like the only thing available is Hatori canisters or Pitts style wrap-around. Any suggestions? I've thought about having an adapter made to mate with the many gas engine mufflers.
Old 10-23-2014, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by stu48
The only problem I have with YS is the lack of mufflers and headers for the larger engines. It seems like the only thing available is Hatori canisters or Pitts style wrap-around. Any suggestions? I've thought about having an adapter made to mate with the many gas engine mufflers.
I haven't come across anything else. Adapting a different muffler should be OK, but why wouldn't the Pitts style or canister work for you?
Old 10-23-2014, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by edwarda10pilot
drac:
I am using one of the headers here. Specifically I use # HAT 822:
http://www.centralhobbies.com/Exhaust/headers.html

After seeing your reply it appears as though we are using different units. Is your unit different than the one on the link above?

Ed
This is the YS header.
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Old 10-24-2014, 04:02 AM
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Scott,
This has always worked for me…
Wrap your muffler bolts in teflon plumbers tape,assemble the header but don't tighten the bolts fully.
Start the engine and warm it up
After it's pretty warm fully tighten the header bolts all the way and you should be good to go.

Hope this helps,
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Old 10-24-2014, 04:35 AM
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Yessir. I don't recall the name of the manufacturer. A copper gasket onto an internal wrenching threaded male steel fitting through the header and iinstalled into the female threads of the aluminum motor head using a large allen wrench. An internal wrenching aluminum threaded cover was then installed on the header to seal the deal. Always tight when cool, gradually loosening when motor gets hot. Mine kept coming loose on my 140 Sport and 140L motors and after repeated attempts to tighten when hot, the wrenching forces exerted on the aluminum cover plate with the large allen wrench would ruin the cover plate. If not careful, could ruin the female threads on the motor head.
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Whoa! I'm not familiar with that one!
Old 10-24-2014, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by drac1
Hi Mr Sheppard,

I've used hi temp silicon on the threads with no success. I have plenty of thread tape, so might try that.

Thanks.
The thread tape must be Teflon. I'm very surprised that no one else has chimed in to say it works and is the simplest solution. Just 3 or so wraps around the threads is all it takes. Good luck.
Old 10-24-2014, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shepga
The thread tape must be Teflon. I'm very surprised that no one else has chimed in to say it works and is the simplest solution. Just 3 or so wraps around the threads is all it takes. Good luck.
I didn't know there was any other type. PTFE is all I've used for 30+ years. Now that makes me sound old. Lol.

1 or 2 others have mentioned it.

Thanks all for the advice.
Old 10-24-2014, 01:51 PM
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Drill and lockwire.
Old 10-31-2014, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by drac1
I haven't come across anything else. Adapting a different muffler should be OK, but why wouldn't the Pitts style or canister work for you?
The first plane I put it on was a Aero-Works .90-1.20 Yak which was the only reasonable priced ARF that I could find in the correct weight range. The canister wouldn't fit and the Pitts requires the motor to be mounted inverted. I had to backset the firewall 1/2" to get the engine on a Hyde mount to fit in the cowl. I don't think I'm buying any more ARFs. I'll build my own to get the size and weight range I want, the color scheme I like, and it will be built stronger and more durable.
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Originally Posted by stu48
The first plane I put it on was a Aero-Works .90-1.20 Yak which was the only reasonable priced ARF that I could find in the correct weight range. The canister wouldn't fit and the Pitts requires the motor to be mounted inverted. I had to backset the firewall 1/2" to get the engine on a Hyde mount to fit in the cowl. I don't think I'm buying any more ARFs. I'll build my own to get the size and weight range I want, the color scheme I like, and it will be built stronger and more durable.
Mounting inverted is the easiest way to fit most engines. YS's don't have any issues being inverted. I fitted a DZ140 to a 65" Seagull Seafury ARF. The engine is mounted inverted on a Dubro soft mount with a Slimline Pitts muffler. Sounds great and runs perfectly.
Old 11-16-2014, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MTK
Hi Scott,

On my gas engines' exhausts I use Loctite Ultra Copper high temp gasket maker. It has worked very well. But I don't know if it would work on the YS. Similar exhaust temps between the two types of engines. I would just add a thin layer to the nut, snug it down and let it cure for 24 hours.
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Hi Matt and Russmall. I've tried both of these suggestions. It works for awhile, but it still eventually comes loose.

Thanks.

I use the black high temp rtv gasket maker. I've found it VERY important to make sure there is NO trace of oil on the parts. I use a can of brake parts cleaner to degrease the parts. It's relatively cheap and it very convenient to use.

Ken
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Originally Posted by kenh3497
I use the black high temp rtv gasket maker. I've found it VERY important to make sure there is NO trace of oil on the parts. I use a can of brake parts cleaner to degrease the parts. It's relatively cheap and it very convenient to use.

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Hi Ken,

Silicon doesn't seem to work too well. I have taken Bryans advice and made an extension so to be able to get some more leverage. It's only had 27 flights since, but so far so good. When I get to 50, I'll start get hopefull.
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Originally Posted by kenh3497
I use the black high temp rtv gasket maker. I've found it VERY important to make sure there is NO trace of oil on the parts. I use a can of brake parts cleaner to degrease the parts. It's relatively cheap and it very convenient to use.

Ken
Originally Posted by drac1
Hi Ken,

Silicon doesn't seem to work too well. I have taken Bryans advice and made an extension so to be able to get some more leverage. It's only had 27 flights since, but so far so good. When I get to 50, I'll start get hopefull.

OK, every situation is a bit different. I've had reasonable luck with the RTV but like I said ALL oil has to be removed for the silicone to bond. FWIW you can reuse the copper washers many times if you heat the washer red hot with a torch and let it cool naturally/slowly. This is an annealing process and it works. If you have an old gasket laying around, feel how stiff it is before the process and after. It will be "dead soft" after annealing.

Sounds like you are on the right path with your header at the present time. I hope it stays tight for you. We all learn when something goes right...and wrong!

Ken
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Originally Posted by kenh3497
OK, every situation is a bit different. I've had reasonable luck with the RTV but like I said ALL oil has to be removed for the silicone to bond. FWIW you can reuse the copper washers many times if you heat the washer red hot with a torch and let it cool naturally/slowly. This is an annealing process and it works. If you have an old gasket laying around, feel how stiff it is before the process and after. It will be "dead soft" after annealing.

Sounds like you are on the right path with your header at the present time. I hope it stays tight for you. We all learn when something goes right...and wrong!

Ken
Yep, know all about annealing. Fitter and turner by trade for the last 25 years.

Unless the copper washers get damaged, there is no need to replace them, ever. There is no need to anneal them either as they are already soft. If they weren't soft, they wouldn't work as a gasket.
The flange that screws into the head doesn't come loose , so the copper washers don't get taken off at all.

Another 4 flights today, which makes it 33.
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44 flights now and all is good.

I have a couple of comps next weekend, so I may check just to make sure it will be OK for the comps. If it's going to come loose, it will during a comp. Lol.
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Originally Posted by drac1
44 flights now and all is good.

I have a couple of comps next weekend, so I may check just to make sure it will be OK for the comps. If it's going to come loose, it will during a comp. Lol.
That is the natural order of things. LOL
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An update on the loose header.

Since tightening with a 6" extension on the spanner, I have had no problem with the header coming loose. Probably around 250 flights.

It just needed a little extra muscle.

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