ZNLine Supreme
10-30-2003, 10:43 AM
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ZNLine Supreme
Well.. my Supreme finally made it here after a short battle with US Customs.
Overall kit quality is superb. The fuse is VERY light and straight (good way to start). Wood quality is also exceptional. I opted for the honeycomb internal parts as well. Power is going to be a Hacker C50-14XL running Thunderpower 10s3p Li-Poly batteries. I'm currently in the process of making a new landing gear to clear the 22" APC-E prop used but nothing else will be changed from the kit.
I'll post up some pics of the kit in a couple days.
Overall kit quality is superb. The fuse is VERY light and straight (good way to start). Wood quality is also exceptional. I opted for the honeycomb internal parts as well. Power is going to be a Hacker C50-14XL running Thunderpower 10s3p Li-Poly batteries. I'm currently in the process of making a new landing gear to clear the 22" APC-E prop used but nothing else will be changed from the kit.
I'll post up some pics of the kit in a couple days.
10-30-2003, 10:20 PM
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Great project there Doug. Looking forward to seeing how your venture into EPower Pattern goes. Good Luck, and take lots of pics to post for us to see !!
10-31-2003, 03:27 AM
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Doug,
Interested to know whether the rudder/fin area has been increased from Marco's original prototype. When we saw the original prototype at Romilly this year it looked a bit underfinned. When a picture of it at the Worlds appeared in a British magazine it looked like the rudder area had been increased.
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Malcolm
Interested to know whether the rudder/fin area has been increased from Marco's original prototype. When we saw the original prototype at Romilly this year it looked a bit underfinned. When a picture of it at the Worlds appeared in a British magazine it looked like the rudder area had been increased.
Regards
Malcolm
11-01-2003, 02:13 AM
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The rudder counterbalance is pretty small. I'll have to compare it to the pictures of the prototype. The more I look at this kit, the more I like the way ZN Line thinks. You have to see the wing tube area in the fuse.. pics probably tomorrow. Need to figure out how to connect the digital cam to my pc.
11-01-2003, 09:53 AM
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Malcolm
Marco had increased the size of the rudder (on his models in Poland) from what ZN Line originally put on the model. It was small like all their other current models and Marco told me in Poland he thought it was too small so he increased it. I have no idea what the kits come with, but the smaller rudders seem to work well on the Synergy/Enigma.
Marco had increased the size of the rudder (on his models in Poland) from what ZN Line originally put on the model. It was small like all their other current models and Marco told me in Poland he thought it was too small so he increased it. I have no idea what the kits come with, but the smaller rudders seem to work well on the Synergy/Enigma.
11-01-2003, 11:24 AM
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Hi all,
The final rudder is the size of a cookie sheet. Of course, this can be adjusted for personal taste with a quick slice on the bandsaw if you think that it is too big, however, Marco is happy. We are making the big rudder (Doug, you wil get yours shortly). That will be the standard for the kit unless Marco decides differently. It should not take much throw to be very effective with its stock size.
Mark
The final rudder is the size of a cookie sheet. Of course, this can be adjusted for personal taste with a quick slice on the bandsaw if you think that it is too big, however, Marco is happy. We are making the big rudder (Doug, you wil get yours shortly). That will be the standard for the kit unless Marco decides differently. It should not take much throw to be very effective with its stock size.
Mark
11-01-2003, 07:03 PM
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Hi guys!
Doug, I'm happy to know you have the Supreme in your hands and you're happy with it. To everybody: the definitive rudder is the BIG one. I decided to keep the big one as snap rolls are easier and nicer, and the rolling loop also is a breeze.
ZN is designing also a new l/g to accomodate for the bigger props we'll use with the Dingo 160 next year.
A fast infos for all friends: I totally won the Italian Championship F3A and also the F3A/X one (large scale aerobatics) with the Supreme and with my Staudacher 33% coupled with the fabolous DA 100!
'Till next time...... lets' go 3Ding indoor!!!
Marco Benincasa
Doug, I'm happy to know you have the Supreme in your hands and you're happy with it. To everybody: the definitive rudder is the BIG one. I decided to keep the big one as snap rolls are easier and nicer, and the rolling loop also is a breeze.
ZN is designing also a new l/g to accomodate for the bigger props we'll use with the Dingo 160 next year.
A fast infos for all friends: I totally won the Italian Championship F3A and also the F3A/X one (large scale aerobatics) with the Supreme and with my Staudacher 33% coupled with the fabolous DA 100!
'Till next time...... lets' go 3Ding indoor!!!
Marco Benincasa
11-01-2003, 08:41 PM
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First up.. the outside of the tibe socket. Moulded into the fuse.
Second is the inside of the fuse at the same point. Note the carbon inside to stiffen the area only where needed.
Third is Marco's cheek cowl design at the rear. This will be opened for cooling air exit.
Fourth is the inside of the cheek at the same point. This will need some cleanup to save the cuts and scrapes while building
Second is the inside of the fuse at the same point. Note the carbon inside to stiffen the area only where needed.
Third is Marco's cheek cowl design at the rear. This will be opened for cooling air exit.
Fourth is the inside of the cheek at the same point. This will need some cleanup to save the cuts and scrapes while building
11-01-2003, 08:42 PM
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More pics..
1st pic is the front of the beast.. It's WIDE. The pics don't do it justice. This is a LARGE airplane.
2nd pic is the carbon skinned light-ply parts for the internals as well as the honeycomb radio/tank tray and firewall. Since I'm building this for E-power.. these will be modified to suit my installation. The pipe tunnel will make for a perfect cooling tunnel for the batteries and speed control.
1st pic is the front of the beast.. It's WIDE. The pics don't do it justice. This is a LARGE airplane.
2nd pic is the carbon skinned light-ply parts for the internals as well as the honeycomb radio/tank tray and firewall. Since I'm building this for E-power.. these will be modified to suit my installation. The pipe tunnel will make for a perfect cooling tunnel for the batteries and speed control.
11-03-2003, 03:31 PM
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Hi Doug,
The two carbon rings...
The larger with the two holes IS the nose ring mount. It is a handfit item with a little sanding here and there. This piece does not sit flush with the fuselage nose but acutally mounts about 1.5cm rearwards of the fuselage nose where things are a little larger. The nose ring then mounts from the front of that. It is a little different from the installations I have seen where the nose ring slips in with the motor and mounts on the back of whatever mounting system is used. It makes for a pretty simple installation/removal process, although the driver washer must first come off of the motor (I'm talking internal combustion here) before the nose ring can be pulled. If you look really closely to the front view of the ARC airplane you can see the mounting holes on the nose ring mount. I'll shoot a close-up of the one in the ARC airplane tomorrow.
The other ring, the circle, is the load spreader. This would go on the back of the firewall, the scews go through it, then through the firewall, then into the motor mount. It simply spreads the load around the honeycomb firewall but I doubt that it will fit into your motor mounting plans.
I must say that I am pretty much ignorant about e-powering airplanes, motor mounting and the such.
I will tell you this. We are very excited to see what you come up with and will follow along with your work every step of the way. I think if it works out for you, well, JP already has the same motor and speed controller that you have and will probably knock another Supreme together based on what you come up with.
Mark
The two carbon rings...
The larger with the two holes IS the nose ring mount. It is a handfit item with a little sanding here and there. This piece does not sit flush with the fuselage nose but acutally mounts about 1.5cm rearwards of the fuselage nose where things are a little larger. The nose ring then mounts from the front of that. It is a little different from the installations I have seen where the nose ring slips in with the motor and mounts on the back of whatever mounting system is used. It makes for a pretty simple installation/removal process, although the driver washer must first come off of the motor (I'm talking internal combustion here) before the nose ring can be pulled. If you look really closely to the front view of the ARC airplane you can see the mounting holes on the nose ring mount. I'll shoot a close-up of the one in the ARC airplane tomorrow.
The other ring, the circle, is the load spreader. This would go on the back of the firewall, the scews go through it, then through the firewall, then into the motor mount. It simply spreads the load around the honeycomb firewall but I doubt that it will fit into your motor mounting plans.
I must say that I am pretty much ignorant about e-powering airplanes, motor mounting and the such.
I will tell you this. We are very excited to see what you come up with and will follow along with your work every step of the way. I think if it works out for you, well, JP already has the same motor and speed controller that you have and will probably knock another Supreme together based on what you come up with.
Mark
11-06-2003, 01:15 PM
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Doug,
A few questions since you are the person in the know .
What will be the available flight times on a set of batteries? Flying a full FAI sequence like you will be doing? 2 full FAI flights? 3 ? power staying equal through the flights?
Will the weights of the powerplant and fuelcell make the weight limits of 11lbs??
WHats the price of these batteries?
Anything on the battery horizon that may be beneficial to the RC world? Lipos are the current tech that is making this possible, maybe something is coming around the corner in battery tech that will make even more of an impact?
Thanks
A few questions since you are the person in the know .
What will be the available flight times on a set of batteries? Flying a full FAI sequence like you will be doing? 2 full FAI flights? 3 ? power staying equal through the flights?
Will the weights of the powerplant and fuelcell make the weight limits of 11lbs??
WHats the price of these batteries?
Anything on the battery horizon that may be beneficial to the RC world? Lipos are the current tech that is making this possible, maybe something is coming around the corner in battery tech that will make even more of an impact?
Thanks
11-06-2003, 05:07 PM
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Doug,
A few questions since you are the person in the know .
What will be the available flight times on a set of batteries? Flying a full FAI sequence like you will be doing? 2 full FAI flights? 3 ? power staying equal through the flights?
Will the weights of the powerplant and fuelcell make the weight limits of 11lbs??
WHats the price of these batteries?
Anything on the battery horizon that may be beneficial to the RC world? Lipos are the current tech that is making this possible, maybe something is coming around the corner in battery tech that will make even more of an impact?
Thanks
Doug,
A few questions since you are the person in the know .
What will be the available flight times on a set of batteries? Flying a full FAI sequence like you will be doing? 2 full FAI flights? 3 ? power staying equal through the flights?
Will the weights of the powerplant and fuelcell make the weight limits of 11lbs??
WHats the price of these batteries?
Anything on the battery horizon that may be beneficial to the RC world? Lipos are the current tech that is making this possible, maybe something is coming around the corner in battery tech that will make even more of an impact?
Thanks
The weight of the electric setup at the moment is about 4 ounces heavier overall as it was installed in Jason's Rhapsody. I don't think I'll have any trouble making weight.
Price is the bad news. Thunder Power 5s3p's are $325 each, and you need 2 to make a single flight pack. So basically I'm going to have $1300 in batteries. HOWEVER.. when you average that out to the cost of feeding a YS DZ for a year, they come out about equal, and if the batteries last longer than 1 year, then you're saving money overall.
E-power is expensive right now.. no question about it. There is also a big learning curve involved which many may not want to tackle right now.
I believe we're just 1 evolution away in E-power from having some serious power choices in ALL aerobatic avenues honestly. Fuel cell technology is something to watch too.
To me.. the benefits of E-power FAR outweigh the negatives (price and handling). Plus I like being on the bleeding edge of things