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Old 11-18-2007, 04:52 PM
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Wolfgang Matt was World Champion in both 75 and 79 so the tally for Lichtenstein must be 2
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Anyone know a link to details of the power systems used by the various competitors?

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Wolfgang Matt was World Champion in both 75 and 79 so the tally for Lichtenstein must be 2
Yes, my fault. You are correct. This statistics is more correct:
Austria 7
USA 7
France 4
Japan 3
Switzerland 2
Lichtenstein 2
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hello all!!!!

I have some interesting pictures to show you!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wolfgang Matt was World Champion in both 75 and 79 so the tally for Lichtenstein must be 2
Yes, my fault. You are correct. This statistics is more correct:
Austria 7
USA 7
France 4
Japan 3
Switzerland 2
Lichtenstein 2

Interesting. I assume there are multiple Hanno Prettner wins for Austria?

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Wolfgang Matt was World Champion in both 75 and 79 so the tally for Lichtenstein must be 2
Yes, my fault. You are correct. This statistics is more correct:
Austria 7
USA 7
France 4
Japan 3
Switzerland 2
Lichtenstein 2

Interesting. I assume there are multiple Hanno Prettner wins for Austria?

Tom
Correct, interestingly the US tally was achieved by 6 different flyers, Japan's by Yoshioka and Naruke and then remaining countries scores are the efforts of one person.
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I met Jason this summer... class act all the way. Congrats to him and all the other finalists!

How does one pronounce "Quique?"

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I met Jason this summer... class act all the way. Congrats to him and all the other finalists!

How does one pronounce "Quique?"

Pronounced "Key-Kay"

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hello all!!!!

I have some interesting pictures to show you!!!!!!!!!!!

jaja

Looks like A#1, succulent PRIME RIB to me. A fine MEAT MARKET.
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When is the last time the US had a World Champion Gold Medalist in Pattern? I've been subscribing to model plane magazines since the early 70's. It seems to me it's always been either a European or Japanese pilot.

Tom
Definately, when it comes to the individual title, the most glorious days for USA F3A/Pattern so far was during the 60:ies. According to my notes, the USA World Champions so far:
1960 Ed Kaczmirsky
1962 Tom Brett
1963 Ralph Brooke
1965 Ralph Brooke
1967 Phil Kraft
1991 Chip Hyde
2007 Quique Somenzini

Are any of these 60-ies champions still alive?

Since I like statistics you may also find it interesting that I believe pilots from the following countries has won the title that number of times:
Austria 8
USA 7
France 4
Japan 3
Switzerland 2
Lichtenstein 1


Hello Wilhelm,
Mr. Kazmirski is still with us and according folks on the classic Pattern forum here at RCU he is flying for Sport.
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Hi All

This link makes interesting reading. Bio of Mr Ed Kazmirski. http://www.modelaircraft.org/museum/bio/Kazmirski.pdf

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results since 1960:

1. 1960 SWITZERLAND

1. E.Kazmirski, USA
2. G.Samann, FR Germany
3. H.Stegmaier, FR Germany

1. UK
2. USA
3. FR Germany

2. 1962 UNITED KINGDOM

1. T.Brett, USA
2. H.Brooks, UK
3. C.Olsen, UK

1. UK
2. USA
3. FR Germany

3. 1963 BELGIUM

1. R.Brooke, USA
2. F.Bosch, FR Germany
3. E.Kazmirski, USA

1. USA
2. Belgium
3. South Africa


4. 1965 SWEDEN

1. R.Brooke, USA
2. C.Teuwen, Belgium
3. C.Weirick, USA

1. USA
2. UK
3. Canada

5. 1967 FRANCE

1. P.Kraft, USA
2. P.Marrot, France
3. Bauerheim, FR Germany

1. USA
2. FR Germany
3. South Africa


6. 1969 GERMANY

1. B.Gizendanner, Switzerland
2. P.Kraft, USA
3. J.Wester, FR Germany

1. FR Germany
2. USA
3. Switzerland


7. 1971 USA

1. B.Gizendanner, Switzerland
2. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
3. P.Kraft, USA

1. USA
2. Switzerland
3. FR Germany


8. 1973 ITALY

1. T.Yoshioka, Japan
2. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
3. H.Prettner, Austria

1. Japan
2. USA
3. Austria


9. 1975 SWITZERLAND

1. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
2. H.Prettner, Austria
3. D.Brown, USA

1. USA
2. Liechtenstein
3. Japan


10. 1977 USA

1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. D.Brown, USA
3. W.Matt, Liechtenstein

1. USA
2. Japan
3. FR Germany


11. 1979 SOUTH AFRICA

1. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
2. D.Brown, USA
3. M.Radcliff, USA

1. USA
2. Italy
3. FR Germany


12. 1981 MEXICO


1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. D.Brown, USA
3. W.Matt, Liechtenstein

1. USA
2. FR Germany
3. Japan


13. 1983 USA

1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. B.Lossen, FR Germany
3. D.Brown, USA

1. USA
2. Japan
3. FR Germany


14. 1985 NETHERLANDS

1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
3. B.Lossen, FR Germany

1. FR Germany
2. Japan
3. USA


15. 1987 FRANCE

1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
3. B.Lossen, FR Germany

1. FR Germany
2. Japan
3. Austria


16. 1989 USA

1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
3. I.Kristensen, Canada

1. USA
2. Japan
3. Canada


17. 1991 AUSTRALIA

1. G.Hyde, USA
2. Q.Somenzini, Argentina
3. D.von Linsowe, USA

1. Canada
2. USA
3. Japan


18. 1993 AUSTRIA

1. H.Prettner, Austria
2. G.Hyde, USA
3. W.Matt, Liechtenstein

1. Japan
2. USA
3. Canada


19. 1995 JAPAN

1. G.Naruke, Japan
2. W.Matt, Liechtenstein
3. C.P.Le Roux, France

1. Japan
2. France
3. Canada


20. 1997 POLAND

1. G.Naruke, Japan
2. C.P.Le Roux, France
3. W.Matt, Liechtenstein

1. Japan
2. Germany
3. Liechtenstein


21. 1999 USA

1. C.P.Le Roux, France
2. G.Naruke, Japan
3. G.Hyde, USA

1. USA
2. Japan
3. France


22. 2001 IRELAND

1. C.P.Le Roux, France
2. Q.Somenzini, Argentina
3. G.Hyde, USA

1. Japan
2. USA
3. Germany


23. 2003 POLAND

1. C.P.Le Roux, France
2. Q.Somenzini, Argentina
3. G.Hyde, USA

1. USA
2. France
3. Japan


24. 2005 FRANCE

1. C.P.Le Roux, France
2. T. Onda, japan
3. R. Matt, liechtenchtein

1. Japon
2. USA
3. Liechtenchtein
4. France


25. 2007 ARGENTINA

1. Q. Somenzini, USA
2. C.P. Le Roux, France
3. T.Onda, Japan

1. France
2. USA
3. Japan
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Interesting story about ED.
Word around Chicago around the time that Ed quit was that he had a very hard time going from Reed radios to Proportional. With Reeds it was an advantage to have a bit of nerves for moving the sticks. I've been told that Ed had pretty bad nerves when he flew.
His Taurus design probably sold more kits than anyother pattern plane ever. It was a great flyer. He lead the Chicago area into a long and lasting outpost for pattern. Thanks, Mike
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Interesting story about ED.
Word around Chicago around the time that Ed quit was that he had a very hard time going from Reed radios to Proportional. With Reeds it was an advantage to have a bit of nerves for moving the sticks. I've been told that Ed had pretty bad nerves when he flew.
His Taurus design probably sold more kits than anyother pattern plane ever. It was a great flyer. He lead the Chicago area into a long and lasting outpost for pattern. Thanks, Mike
Sounds like I would do well with reeds.
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Hi All

This link makes interesting reading. Bio of Mr Ed Kazmirski. http://www.modelaircraft.org/museum/bio/Kazmirski.pdf

Regards

John Mee
I hadn't read that particular write up on Ed Kazmirski. Thanks.

I was surprised that so little was made of the Taurus-----That airplane was very simply the DC-3 of R/C Model Aerobatics!
I can't tell you how many I built (a bunch as we used to allow three A/C to make it through a season back then)-----------27MHz. was loaded with interference from the start and that number usually turned out to be right.

That is the primary reason so many of us spent a year (that's what it took then) to get a HAM ticket so we could fly on six meters.

Different times.
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So what happened in the late 60's / early 70's that made Europe/Japan overtake us? I believe that's when radio equipment starting getting reliable.

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So what happened in the late 60's / early 70's that made Europe/Japan overtake us? I believe that's when radio equipment starting getting reliable.

Tom
If I were to hazard a guess, I would say that equipment cost started to come down and salaries in Europe and Japan were on the rise, making the equipment as affordable there as here. At least much closer.

A big added bonus is the fact that Model Aviation in general and Aerobatics in particular are thought of very highly in those respective parts of the World. It isn't unusual for top pilots to enjoy considerable celebrity in their countries while the general public here doesn't know we exist and possibly couldn't care less.

Did you know that in Japan, there are postage stamps issued by the government that sport model aircraft? Specifically, Pattern aircraft

Still collectively, the US possibly has a greater concentration of top talent than in other countries. Our top 8 to 10 F3A pilots would probably finish in the top 20 at the World's. Whether the top pilots from other countries just want it more or have greater incentives to perform well, is unknown. It does seem as though their road to success is possibly made easier by their own infrastructure, because recognition when they win means a whole lot more than it does here.

Again, that's just an educated guess

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MattK, I think you nailed it. Thanks.

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In 83 our club hosted the Japanee team for a week before the worlds if I remember right they have or had goverment support, so giving a more of a National team meaning. This was one of my fondest memories in RC.
The pilots was Yoshioka, Naruke, and Akiba, with Sushki as the backup and helper.
Their planes was all new, never flown when they arrived so trim flights was first on the agenda. A funny thing that happened that really surprised me was Akiba was doing a first flight on one of his planes and after about 3 minutes into the flight (all was on the same frequency the classic JR, Futuba clash) Yoshika turned on, as you would expect in those days the plane went nuts, then he turned off and they laughs so hard and Akiba was going nuts ( don't know what they was saying but I'm sure there was some choice words).
They was a real fun bunch to be around and I can't tell you how much fun we had at the airport with a 4 hour delay and them getting chargered twice for freight, the drinks started flowing thanks to Mr. Yamada's open bar or should I say wallet. Great group of guys.
I still have gifts they sent me when they returned home.
Like I said one of the best weeks I have had in RC.
Steve Maxwell

P.S. really proud of the us team and especially Andrew my old friend.
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What a cool story Steve.

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QQ's airplane just has a funny look in the air in my opinion. When it is flying knife edge, I dont know if it is his scheme or that long nose, but it actually looks like it is flying in a nose down attitude. The plane is gorgeous on the ground, but when I judged it at the NATS I don't think it presented quite as well as some of the others I've seen. I've seen Troy Newman's Oxai Adventure and it didnt seem to do that. The plane obviously flies great as evidenced by QQ's scoring. And before someone jumps in and says "QQ could fly anything." That might be true, but if it wasn't great, he wouldnt be flying it. The top guys don't compromise when it comes to quality. They can't afford to. These guys are so close, that it is tough to overcome a handicap by the airplane when your competitors don't have to. Other people really liked his plane...I am one of the ones who just thought it looked a little strange in the air. It was very impressive flying the Unknowns though at the NATS..that is all I got to see of the F3A finals. This is where the bipes shine. They fly the F sequences and Unknowns really well because of their impressive rudder authority.

2 things I know for sure about this plane.

1. QQ flies it really well and is obviously happy with it.
2. The rest of us could fly it, and we wont fly like QQ just because we do.
Twas the night before the World Championships on RCU,

The cast of characters had assembled and insults flew,

With Saint Nick for the Europeans and the Easter Bunny too.

Then with a puff of his chest and a blow of his arse,

Someone crapped on QQ’s plane and presentation – it was Arch [Post #46].

Driving the QQ biplane insult sleigh all alone tisk tisk,

On the eve of the finals he unleashed post one ninety six.



This is too much man. Bloody hell! You couldn’t take him out with Post 46 the night before the WC began so you had to go into greater detail in Post # 196 just before the finals about how much you dislike his biplane and how you are an authority because you judged it at the USA Nationals? Way to go man! Way to support the team! It’s great the RCU community has a SME like yourself discrediting the equipment selection of the eventual WC Champion before and during critical times of the event and perpetuating the name recognition aspects of international scoring. This is what it’s all about man….

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Xavier,
Thank you for the continuous updates and the photos. Congratulations to you and your team. Your, and your teammates efforts are paying dividends. And the progress is obvious.
I disagree with your comment about "maybe, (just maybe)". The competition is about pilots AND AIRPLANES, both have to perform, period.
If Chip did not have a motor problem in the team selection he could have been in the US team and maybe (just maybe) the USA team could have won the team championship. MAYBE MAYBE.............
Thanks for your comments on our team results, I have just arrived home. Yes, I agree with you that planes and pilots have to perform, however I was guessing what could have happened if CPLR had finished that flight, but finally it doesn´t matter because he didn´t and Quique was very consistent all day as we now can see on the scores. Amazing to win a World Championship without any 1000 score flight. Jason had it also, but their F07 were too low, he has what´s needed some day he will make it. For those that believed that CPLR and Onda were unhappy here some pictures that shows they were OK in the ceremony.
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Dude !!I assume? get a life...



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Interesting story about ED.
Word around Chicago around the time that Ed quit was that he had a very hard time going from Reed radios to Proportional. With Reeds it was an advantage to have a bit of nerves for moving the sticks. I've been told that Ed had pretty bad nerves when he flew.
His Taurus design probably sold more kits than anyother pattern plane ever. It was a great flyer. He lead the Chicago area into a long and lasting outpost for pattern. Thanks, Mike
What, he always shook in the right direction? What a crock, there is absolutly no basis to this suppoosed advantage! Yes, I flew reeds and I know what I'm talking about. By the way, they were toggle switches not "sticks"

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Hi 3DnSD

I dont have a problem with the post written by rcpattern. It was just his opinion and he states that clearly at the beginning of his post. It appears to me that you like to stir up a little trouble reading some of your other posts or you have a problem personally with rcpattern. I have been an avid reader and contributor to the pattern forum for many years and I am getting very tired of reading posts similar to the one you just wrote. Would you please start writing some posts that contribute to this forum instead of slamming anyone that has an opinion.

It will be ineresting to see what you write about me.

Try and chill out a little my friend.

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