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Old 11-13-2007, 04:46 PM
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Scores, positions? Anything?
Feedback, reports what ever.... anyone, anything?

And where are the Hotties? Jez' this is Argentina for christ sakes... there's Babes on tap.
There must be hostest girls all over the show. PIC'S gentlemem!!!!! OF THE GIRLS!!!!
Stop this sensless posting of plane after plane photographs. What are you made of?
Faced with the choice of picturing a fine set of latin knockers or a plane.
People are shooting the plane.
Ahhh.. what evers happened to Hugh Hefners and Frank Zappa's USA?

Are you sure you're not American?

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Results of the 3rd day are already posted at www.argentinaf3a.com, please help yourself
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Top 20 (raw scores, after TBL who knows...):

ONDA Tetsuo JPN 1767
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe FRA 1766
SCHULMAN Jason USA 1763
SOMENZINI Quique USA 1744
MATT Wolfgang LIE 1724
SILVESTRI Sebastiano ITA 1717
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 1705
WISSINGER Markus GER 1690
CARRIER Stephane FRA 1673
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Benoit FRA 1668
MARQUET Philippe BEL 1661
SUZUKI Koji JPN 1661
JESKY Andrew USA 1657
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 1645
FRIGGERI Luca ITA 1642
ULSAMER Guenther GER 1641
BESCHORNER Bernd GER 1630
MAYR Gerhard AUT 1608
FREMMING Ola NOR 1607
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 1602
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All Competitors - Cumulative raw scores after day 3 - Sorted from highest

ONDA Tetsuo JPN 1767
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe FRA 1766.6
SCHULMAN Jason USA 1763.8
SOMENZINI Quique USA 1744
MATT Wolfgang LIE 1724.6
SILVESTRI Sebastiano ITA 1717.6
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 1705.6
WISSINGER Markus GER 1690
CARRIER Stephane FRA 1673.4
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Benoit FRA 1668.75
MARQUET Philippe BEL 1661.8
SUZUKI Koji JPN 1661.4
JESKY Andrew USA 1657
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 1645.6
FRIGGERI Luca ITA 1642.8
ULSAMER Guenther GER 1641.4
BESCHORNER Bernd GER 1630.6
MAYR Gerhard AUT 1608.2
FREMMING Ola NOR 1607.2
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 1602.6
RUBIN Marc SUI 1595.2
FILGAS Erich AUT 1573.6
NORTHEAST Chad CAN 1565.4
DANKSAGMULLER Helmut AUT 1560.4
BLOODWORTH Bill AUS 1537.4
SCHADEN Bernhard SUI 1535.8
GRASELLI Andrea ITA 1535.4
ROBINSON Shane IRL 1530.2
ZARDINI Jean-Pierre BEL 1528.6
VAN VLIET Danny NED 1511.4
LUNDSTROM David SWE 1511.4
WOLFFE Marc RSA 1506.6
NIETO Daniel ARG 1498.55
CORAM Steve AUS 1478.2
COSTA Antonio POR 1474
PASINI Sylvain SUI 1467.4
VAGHY Dezso CAN 1460.5
SELVA Massimo SMR 1458.5
LAU Alex HKG 1454.35
ZHI YONG Duan CHN 1442.2
CROSSMAN Adam AUS 1442
MANDRIKA Victor RUS 1423
ZHENDI Huang CHN 1415.8
JACKSON Keith GBR 1412.55
BUTUZOV Sergey RUS 1407.8
REAVILLE Dave CAN 1397.6
BYOUNG Jun KOR 1391.95
KURI Pablo ECU 1377.8
WENTZEL Ian RSA 1376
KEANE Ray IRL 1369.4
DONG HEE Lee KOR 1359.4
AGUILAR Joaquin ECU 1359.2
GERMUSHUYS Carel RSA 1359
ALMEIDA Xavier ECU 1348.8
URDANETA Carlos Silva VEN 1339.4
REYES Rene CHI 1321.6
CHAPARRO GARESE Patricio CHI 1283.8
WON Kang Seo KOR 1277.8
DANILOV Sergey RUS 1277.4
AVILA MOY William BRA 1273.6
WONG Adrian HKG 1250
DOS SANTOS NUNES Bruno Visconte BRA 1249.2
MARTINEZ Roberto COL 1235.4
HUNG KAY Li HKG 1220.4
LOZANO Jorge COL 1207.2
HYEOK Yu Sung CHI 1197
BARRET Noel IRL 1193.6
BAINATHSAH Geoffrey SUR 1187.6
HARROP John GBR 1133
YONG Frederick SIN 1128.6
HINESTROSA Federico COL 1105.2
XU JUN Zhang CHN 1015.6
HAGENS Freddy SUR 1010.4
TECHAVIPARK Praphon THA 985.45
AMBROGGI Leonardo ARG 983
RATTANAPRAROM Natawut THA 900
CATON Kevin GBR 855.8
BAINATHSAH John SUR 774.57
CHONG Frederick SIN 739.6
MALLOY RESENDE Marcos Angelo BRA 697.8
SUKUMCHAROENJIT Chuchard THA 525
PEREIRA Alejandro VEN 505.8
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Day 3 Team standings...

Country Total
USA 5164.8
JPN 5134
FRA 5108.75
GER 4962
ITA 4895.8
BEL 4836
AUT 4742.2
SUI 4598.4
AUS 4457.6
CAN 4423.5
RSA 4241.6
RUS 4108.2
IRL 4093.2
ECU 4085.8
ARG 4084.15
KOR 4029.15
HKG 3924.75
CHN 3873.6
CHI 3802.4
COL 3547.8
GBR 3401.35
BRA 3220.6
SUR 2972.57
THA 2410.45
SIN 1868.2
VEN 1845.2
LIE 1724.6
NOR 1607.2
NED 1511.4
SWE 1511.4
POR 1474
SMR 1458.5
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Man, this person, whoever it is, really hit a chord with you and Bryan. To me, it isn't worthy of a response.

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Well, Matt;
For starters, I had a long hard day. Then, the courageous no-namer flamed my country, our team, my best friend, then me all in the space of a few lines. And to be honest, few things get my goat quite like snide comments coming from behind a figurative skirt. Finally, standing mute while boorish behavior is flaunted simply emboldens them to continue.

I would be pleased to see any of a number of the top pilots win it all; so many of them were gracious to me in France. (Of course, I am rooting for our own team and feel their chances are good.) If CPL were to lose the individual title, look out for the French in 2009; he and Benoit would head an impressive team. I'm glad the two of them are not eligible at the same time this year to oppose our team! Never overlook the Japanese.... they hold an impressive collection of Team titles and place finishes. None better.

Individually; I like (in no particular order) CPL, BPL, QQ, Jason, Onda to finish high. QQ because of his dedication, Jason because of his abilities in the Unknowns, Christophe and Benoit fly so smoothly, and Onda does it effortlessly. These are the guys who are actually on the sticks flying the plane in my dreams, which I always think is me! After these five, it's a hard guess. But I do hope each of the others is able to produce his best flights. They are out there stretching the envelope for the rest of us, and deserve a great contest.

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Old 11-13-2007, 06:19 PM
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So is today a better indication of how things will play out, or do we still have to wait for every competitor to fly in front of every judging panel?

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Old 11-13-2007, 06:28 PM
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Onda, CPLR, & Jason look awfully close to me. I'd say that it could go to any of these three.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:34 PM
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One more day plus TBL will be applied. If judges stay consistent thru all 4 prelim rounds TBL in theory will not have much effect.
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Old 11-13-2007, 06:51 PM
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What happened to Andrew in that last round? He dropped from 8th to 12th. Did he zero a maneuver or something?
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Tight race. Through 3 rounds, by using normalized method shows the below top 10 pilots:

Competitor Total Normalized Total
SCHULMAN Jason USA 1763.8 2971.617
ONDA Tetsuo JPN 1767 2919.142
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe/FRA 1766.6 2893.069
SOMENZINI Quique USA 1744 2877.888
MATT Wolfgang LIE 1724.6 2845.875
SILVESTRI Sebastiano/ITA 1717.6 2834.323
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 1705.6 2814.521
WISSINGER Markus GER 1690 2788.779
CARRIER Stephane FRA 1673.4 2761.386
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Benoit/FRA 1668.75 2753.713


Competitor Panel 1
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Benoit/FRA 606 1000.000
SCHULMAN Jason USA 596.6 984.488
MATT Wolfgang LIE 588.6 971.287
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe/FRA 584.6 964.686
SOMENZINI Quique USA 581.8 960.066
MARQUET Philippe BEL 573.8 946.865
CARRIER Stephane FRA 565.2 932.673
WISSINGER Markus GER 553 912.541
JESKY Andrew USA 545.2 899.670
ULSAMER Guenther GER 539.4 890.099

Competitor Panel 2
SCHULMAN Jason USA 569 1000.000
MATT Wolfgang LIE 564.8 932.013
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe/FRA 562.6 928.383
ONDA Tetsuo JPN 562.6 928.383
SOMENZINI Quique USA 559.4 923.102
NORTHEAST Chad CAN 559.2 922.772
JESKY Andrew USA 553.8 913.861
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 549.2 906.271
CARRIER Stephane FRA 546.8 902.310
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 544.2 898.020

Competitor Panel 3
PAYSANT-LE ROUX Christophe/FRA 619.4 1000.000
SOMENZINI Quique USA 602.8 994.719
ONDA Tetsuo JPN 600.4 990.759
SCHULMAN Jason USA 598.2 987.129
SILVESTRI Sebastiano/ITA 581.8 960.066
WISSINGER Markus GER 580 957.096
MATT Wolfgang LIE 571.2 942.574
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 567.4 936.304
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 565.2 932.673
MARQUET Philippe BEL 562 927.393

Competitor Panel 4
ONDA Tetsuo JPN 604 1000.000
SILVESTRI Sebastiano/ITA 598.6 987.789
AKIBA Yoichiro JPN 589 971.947
SUZUKI Koji JPN 582.8 961.716
FRIGGERI Luca ITA 564.2 931.023
FREMMING Ola NOR 561.8 927.063
WISSINGER Markus GER 557 919.142
DIERICKX Benoit BEL 556.4 918.152
ULSAMER Guenther GER 555.4 916.502
COLOMBO Marcelo ARG 555 915.842

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Srill means absolutely nothing.

All these scores are pure raw...no H-L drops no TBL no nothing. All judges have to see all pilots before the TBL and then normalizing can be done.

Also the raw scores tell really nothing of who is in the lead. Yes CPLR has a 619 now as a high raw score but in the end his 619 raw will be just the same 1000pts that Jasons 569 will be.

The difference in raw scores here is 40pts...It you look at the various "raw totals" the top 5 are all within this 40pts of raw....The end of the premilims will be the TBL calculations...This has to happen. The scores shown don't even have High low drops and this can make a huge affect.

This TBL correction to the raw scores is a benefit to all involved. Just as a H-L drop would benefit the pilots too and help eliminate biases. With the raw scores so tight between the top pilots reality is things are within 10-15pts raw normally this could really turn things over and bring guys that look to be lower up to in the hunt and also bring guys that have huge raw score leads back to the pack.

From the looks of it Onda seems to be pretty solid in the raw scores every round with consistently high raws. Jason and Quique look to be in a dead heat with CPLR also. I think its really anything goes for the TBL, and Normalizing.

The normalizing really plays a huge role that you will not see with just the raw scores. Adding up Raw scores can mislead you. If a pilot has a really high raw then it could put him higher in the ranking than he really was. After all a win in a round is always the 1000pt never more...so it doesn't matter if you beat everybody by 100pt raw...it still only counts for a single 1000 and another pilot that beat everybody by 1/2 point gets his 1000 and you guys are tied dead even based on that one round score.

4th day will tell the tale.

Yes for this Worlds the Prelims will determine the placings of the teams. Starting in 2009 that will change and will be based on finals placement.

Team USA is looking good...but we'll see how things TBL and normalize. From the scores posted I think the Top 5 are all really close in the hunt and they may shift positions but I think the top 5 will stay the same names just the spread on pts will reall tell the tale aft round 4.

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Onda, CPLR, & Jason look awfully close to me. I'd say that it could go to any of these three.
Looong way to go yet. Semis and Finals yet to come. Don't forget, the Final is practically a new contest. Don Ramsey pointed out that there is no carry over score to the Finals...only reference to semis or prelims happens when breaking ties

W.Matt is one of the oldest competitors and is doing just great. Might even inspire me to practice more

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Old 11-13-2007, 08:04 PM
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Matt brings up the most important point: The guys in the top 10 guys don't care very much about these rounds. They're performance has no effect on their final standings. They're thinking about F and unknowns.
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Congrats to everyone - this is getting exciting! I hope tommorrow brings out the best in all the pilots! I'm proud to have contributed my services to the USA Team fundraising drive.
Go USA!!!!
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- Thanks to everyone for posting scores and panel/TBL explanations.
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Matt brings up the most important point: The guys in the top 10 guys don't care very much about these rounds. They're performance has no effect on their final standings. They're thinking about F and unknowns.

I disagree. They want the team championship and that seems to come from the prelims.
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Since I'm the only one in the US to have and flown the Adventure. The Narlar bipe is the evolution, many evolutions of the Mr. Naruke bipes. The Adventure is extremely similar ot the Hand built Nishioka version of the latest Narlar bipe.

In fact Onda uses the Adventure to practice with. This means that it flies very similar. Onda used the Adventure Bipe to win the Japanese Nationals earlier this year. I have seen 3 view drawings of the latest Narlar bipe and compared to the Adventure. There are some subtle differences but the models are very very close ot each other.

The Oxai versions of Mr. Naruke, and Mr. Suzuki models are basically the same planes as the hand built versions. From the photos Mr Suzuki has an Oxai version of the Zeque with him as one of his models at the Worlds.

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Thanks Troy.. that's the information I was looking for.
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Hi, All F3A fans.
T Onda is very solid performance so far. Every Japanese fans are waiting for bring title back to Japan.
Yes,I am Japanese.
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Yeah I like Onda I believe Onda has a good chance
and would deserve the win, I know he works hard and has a good design and coach
the japanese F3 effort is a well oiled machine
I saw Onda fly in France and he is "very "good
I did pick him to win
But I hope Jason proves me wrong
good luck to both
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I disagree. They want the team championship and that seems to come from the prelims.
If Andy Jesky continues to score as well, and stay with his Japanese and French counterparts, they will probably win the Team Championship. As tight as the scoring has been, 30 points is considerable ground to cover for the Japanese Team in the last flight for the Team title. Best 3 out of 4.

Yet, stranger things have happened... and with TBL after tomorrow's round, it's going to be pretty close.
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So True, my friend!
In theory, if two pilots are near tied, but one has more consistent scores, then the possibility exists that TBL will help that flyer.

In any case the team championship is very important to so many of us. I know that the competitors feel that way!

best luck to ALL!

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Matt brings up the most important point: The guys in the top 10 guys don't care very much about these rounds. They're performance has no effect on their final standings. They're thinking about F and unknowns.

I disagree. They want the team championship and that seems to come from the prelims.
I'm not sure how to type this without sounding sarcastic, but, I'll try.

tw, I had forgotten about the team results. My post and point was wrong.

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QQ's airplane just has a funny look in the air in my opinion. When it is flying knife edge, I dont know if it is his scheme or that long nose, but it actually looks like it is flying in a nose down attitude. The plane is gorgeous on the ground, but when I judged it at the NATS I don't think it presented quite as well as some of the others I've seen. I've seen Troy Newman's Oxai Adventure and it didnt seem to do that. The plane obviously flies great as evidenced by QQ's scoring. And before someone jumps in and says "QQ could fly anything." That might be true, but if it wasn't great, he wouldnt be flying it. The top guys don't compromise when it comes to quality. They can't afford to. These guys are so close, that it is tough to overcome a handicap by the airplane when your competitors don't have to. Other people really liked his plane...I am one of the ones who just thought it looked a little strange in the air. It was very impressive flying the Unknowns though at the NATS..that is all I got to see of the F3A finals. This is where the bipes shine. They fly the F sequences and Unknowns really well because of their impressive rudder authority.

2 things I know for sure about this plane.

1. QQ flies it really well and is obviously happy with it.
2. The rest of us could fly it, and we wont fly like QQ just because we do.
Thanks! I think I understand what you guys are talking about now. Just the attitude compared to other models the plane presents in. O well looks like the judges at the WC is able to judge the model quite fine, let's hope it stays this way. Hopefully the guys from FG will get some video up (If they haven't already, just browsing now) of this bird, I'd love to see it fly hopefully with some cloud puffs in the background.
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Hopefully the guys from FG will get some video up (If they haven't already, just browsing now) of this bird, I'd love to see it fly hopefully with some cloud puffs in the background.
Here ya go . . QQ's Euphoria video (F07) . . "cloud puffs" and all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2V_jYgA56M

PS . . now watch CAREFULLY . . . those are "SNAPS" ! ! ! . . (sorry guys . . couldn't help myself )
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