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    Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    I take what I over hear with a grain of salt but it makes a soso argument. And 2 years ago I just got back into the hobby after 20 years and am learning about all the new advances. To be honest there are way too many choices these days about everything, look at the toothpaste aisle in your grocery store, but I digress. The gist is that the FAA doesn't like that we use 2.4 because it is used in FPV transmitting visual signals (e.g. Unmanned Drones), and with the channel changing capabilities they harder jam the signal if they need to. I never thought 20 years ago the FAA would be involved in this, maybe its because you can buy essentially a half scale Predator copy on the internet.


    P.S. After reading my own post above I wonder if this guy smokes allot of weed and plays video games all day thinking about how the Government is after us. But the question still stands, FAA banning us using 2.4? I'm sure I'm going to get a ear full about how dumb that is but this all started because I want to upgrade equipment and in the market for a new Tx. Go 2.4 which I love, or buy a 72mhz with a module so I can transfer back if need be? So let the public humiliation begin!

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    Ibelieve the FCC deals with frequenciues, not the FAA.
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    Now that really would be something.

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    It's true.

    The announcement will be made by Bigfoot, right after the Cubs win the World Series.
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?




    Karol
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    The real problem - is that a good 2.4 setup using telemetry can be made to launch,direct a craft over several miles .
    The intended use of 2.4 for models is for unaided visual control
    Personally I see telemetry controlled stuff as NON COMPLIANT- and it is just asking some nit wit congressman to pass a law ruining a good thing for the rest of us.
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: rmh

    The real problem - is that a good 2.4 setup using telemetry can be made to launch,direct a craft over several miles .
    The intended use of 2.4 for models is for unaided visual control
    Personally I see telemetry controlled stuff as NON COMPLIANT- and it is just asking some nit wit congressman to pass a law ruining a good thing for the rest of us.
    I don't believe Telemetry controls aircraft. It is a GPS. Telemetry just reports back Rx voltage, engine RPM, fuel level, engine temp, etc..
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    Maybe you could tell how GPS controls the airplane. I don't know it works.
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: canavanbob

    Maybe you could tell how GPS controls the airplane. I don't know it works.
    I am not an authority on pilotless aircraft. As I understand it, GPS coordinates are entered into a computer on board the aircraft, and a GPS unit sends signals to the receiver to keep the aircraft on heading. Telemetry could be sent to the ground, indicating speed, direction, altitude, etc., to keep track of where the aircraft is.
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: BuschBarber


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    Maybe you could tell how GPS controls the airplane. I don't know it works.
    I am not an authority on pilotless aircraft. As I understand it, GPS coordinates are entered into a computer on board the aircraft, and a GPS unit sends signals to the receiver to keep the aircraft on heading. Telemetry could be sent to the ground, indicating speed, direction, altitude, etc., to keep track of where the aircraft is.
    The ones I am referring to are flown using a visual feedback -using a videocam in the plane
    all this is old technology tho- FWIWwe have most of the RPV work being flown - about 50 miles from me- some really good model fliers working that stuff - The Utah military ranges are the center of all this stuff now -
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    There is a pending issue in that a company called "LightSquared" is proposing a plan to do broad band WiFi over large areas using some frequencies that may affect GPS, including the GPS use for aircraft Navigation. But for right now it is an FCC matter, although the AOPA and several other aviation groups are opposed to it.


    http://broadcastengineering.com/ott/...ared-07132011/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...WsH_story.html

    http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...T.mc_id=ebrief

    The AMA has been tracking the issue and provides updates on the Government Issues page: http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/gov.aspx
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: canavanbob

    Maybe you could tell how GPS controls the airplane. I don't know it works.

    Go to this website, click on and listen to the audio. It isn't 100% GPS, but I would assume it is similar.

    http://w3.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/guidance.html

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey

    It's true.

    ...right after the Cubs win the World Series.
    So as early as next year?
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    Anything is possible but my money is on the Phillies taking home the hardware
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: hookedonrc


    ORIGINAL: canavanbob

    Maybe you could tell how GPS controls the airplane. I don't know it works.

    Go to this website, click on and listen to the audio. It isn't 100% GPS, but I would assume it is similar.

    http://w3.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/guidance.html

    Some of you probably have heard this one before....
    Makes perfect sense[X(]
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    i hope they don't. 2.4 is the best we have had....

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R

    There is a pending issue in that a company called ''LightSquared'' is proposing a plan to do broad band WiFi over large areas using some frequencies that may affect GPS, including the GPS use for aircraft Navigation. But for right now it is an FCC matter, although the AOPA and several other aviation groups are opposed to it.


    http://broadcastengineering.com/ott/...ared-07132011/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...WsH_story.html

    http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/article...T.mc_id=ebrief

    The AMA has been tracking the issue and provides updates on the Government Issues page: http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/gov.aspx
    The biggest problem with LightSquared is that the government is a major shareholder, according to what I've read elsewhere.

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    so we could direct a signal and launch a deficit bomb over the congress ???too late??damn..

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    ORIGINAL: cloudancer03

    so we could direct a signal and launch a deficit bomb over the congress ???too late??damn..
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    The folks inside CERTAINLY would represent no particular loss to humanity.

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    We couldn't possibly screw up like that again.

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?

    Maynard Hill and team constructed an R/C plane with a GPS and autopilot that flew the North Atlantic from Canada (Nova Scotia?) to Ireland. This was constructed of off-the-shelf components. It took them 5 or 6 tries to make it, but it is surely conceivable that a dedicated team could construct a similar device with less benign intent. It's not about the radio frequency........
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: onewasp
    May as well be a little less selective and see if we couldn't make it all of DC .
    Certainly do hate to take the chance of loosing the architecture though.
    The folks inside CERTAINLY would represent no particular loss to humanity.
    That's what the neutron bombs are for. Leave the infrastructure, remove the "contaminants."

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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: hookedonrc


    ORIGINAL: canavanbob

    Maybe you could tell how GPS controls the airplane. I don't know it works.

    Go to this website, click on and listen to the audio. It isn't 100% GPS, but I would assume it is similar.

    http://w3.uwyo.edu/~jimkirk/guidance.html

    Some of you probably have heard this one before....
    I haven't seen that explanation in years. Back in the '70s I flew the LTV A-7D, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7_Corsair_II . This was before GPS and the plane used an inertial guidance system. I was always amused when this explanation was given to help us understand how it worked.
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    RE: Has anyone heard about the FAA banning the use of 2.4 in RC?


    ORIGINAL: AndyKunz

    That's what the neutron bombs are for. Leave the infrastructure, remove the ''contaminants.''

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    I remembered the function but not the name of the bomb .

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