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Old 02-13-2005, 11:12 PM
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Default Burg Receivers...Why Should I?????

Can anyone give any more info on Burg receivers. I have read the posts on Burg receivers. Why should I buy a Burg insted of a Hitech or futaba?

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Old 02-14-2005, 11:11 AM
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Default RE: Burg Receivers...Why Should I?????

I guess you mean BERG receivers... I have been on the verge of buying them but price $$ was better with Hitec

Berg are report4edly strong, reliable, and expandable not owing one I can't tell youmuch more
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Old 02-14-2005, 01:04 PM
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Because of what Berg calls "TSR", transmitter signal recognition---It's supposed to listen only to "Your" transmitter---I have not seen any personal testimony whether this works or not---I for one would LOVE to know!!---
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Old 02-14-2005, 02:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: tande
Because of what Berg calls "TSR", transmitter signal recognition---It's supposed to listen only to "Your" transmitter---I have not seen any personal testimony whether this works or not---I for one would LOVE to know!!---
Yes, it works. The tests I've conducted indicate that the TSR feature of the Berg and Sombra receivers could be a real model saver in the real-world. It's not perfect but it's a *whole lot* better than either plain old PPM or PCM when it comes to protecting you from being shot down by some idiot in the pits who turns on without the frequency peg.
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Old 02-14-2005, 03:43 PM
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XJet, thank you for responding---Good info!---
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:48 AM
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Thanks guys.....I think I'll buy one or two and see what happens..........
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:00 AM
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I have 2... love 'em. I've never been hit flying in a gym (notoriously the worst place to fly for radio problems).

My buddy and I have 2 TXs on the same channel. I turned my TX on, then turned on (booted up) the RX and tested the RX... flawless. My buddy then turned on his TX on the same channel... I STILL had control with mine, even though he was standing right next to me!!! Can't get better than that!

Another bonus... you can turn your TX off and the RX won't strip your servos with stray signals... it sits there waiting for you to turn back on!

Everyone I fly with started using them after they saw our little test.
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:30 AM
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I totally agree. My 6102 was the controlling transmitter. I turned on my 622 on the same channel and saw no interference. Next step is to show it off at the field.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:06 PM
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Sillyness,

When you and your buddy performed the TSR test, were your transmitters of the same brand?

Thre reason I ask is this: FMA Direct sells recievers with "DSR" which is similar but maybe not as powerful as what Berg is doing. FMA says DSR, digital signature recognitition technology, will protect you if a different brand transmitter on turns on with the same channel as you. "DSR" does not protect me if, for example, Joe Blow turns on his Futaba transmitter on Ch. 52 and I'm already flying with my Futaba transmitter on Ch. 52 because Joe Blow has the same "signature" that the FMA reciever is looking for from my transmitter.

Nonetheless, I think DSR from FMA is better than nothing, but I'll look into comparing the price of the Berg & the FMA reciever.
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Old 02-16-2005, 02:36 PM
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You might wanna do a quick search on ezonemag for Berg receivers. The latest versions seem to have some "issues". My 5 DSPII needed to be sent back.
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:10 PM
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hi can any one tel me wher can i find berg rx which web sit
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The web site is:
www.bergent.net
or www.rc-direct.com
I think some of tha sailplane e-stores might carry them
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I got both of mine (4 ch micro-stamp and 6 ch) for 49.99. Can't remember where.

His TX was a Hitec and mine was a JR. Both are positive shift. The RX does sample the TX signature for 1-2 seconds after it gets power... I'm not sure if two TXs of the same brand will have exactly the same signature... there should be manufacturing differences. I have a second JR TX... I'll do a test sometime.
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thank you patrik
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Default RE: Burg Receivers...Why Should I?????

The Berg and Fma receivers won't work with a Futaba 9Z that has a synthesized module, they work fine with the 9Z with the single frequency module.
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There is a very large thread on Berg receivers at the RCgroups forum. Unfortunately not all good. I have had bad results with a brand new Berg 5 channel that failed the range test with two different transmitters. I also have three Berg Micro stamp 2nd generation receivers that exhibit strange TSR operation. The receivers would only "listen" to which ever transmitted signal was strongest, even though the receivers had only "learned" from one of them. I sent all my new receivers back to Peter for inspection. I am still waiting for a reply or update on this situation. I lost total control on one of my favorite models when it "locked up". Another flyer was in the area on the same channel. The receiver should have rejected the other flyer's radio, but it did not. I hate to think that I just wasted $227 on a bunch of unreliable receivers.
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:02 PM
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Default RE: Burg Receivers...Why Should I?????

Geeze..some of this is getting out of hand....do you really need it!!

I have been flying for over 20 yrs and never recall showing up anywhere where there were more than 3 people on the same frequency. Then before you fly, just ask (or tell) then you are going to be on the freq.

Over the years I have seen many people with these "foolproof" radios crash because of other issues.. ie. a battery or a loose / bad / corroded connection, not knowing how to properly program transmitter, wrong plane selected ect.

I have had probably one of everything at sometime and sold most of it while it was worth a few $. I use the stuff I couldnt hardly give away (my 20 yr old AM). I NEVER have had actual interference problems.

The two crashes I had due to "radio problems" were both due to bad connections
One was corrosion in the female of a 20yr old futaba connector.(the orange ones).. I should have known because it felt weird when i mated the connection). The second, was when a wire came loose inernally in a 15 yr old hitec servo ( i was getting ailron glitches but since it kept testing OK on the ground, I kept flying...STUPID, but too late now). Both these issues would have happened regardless what type of radio you use!.

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Old 02-24-2005, 01:23 PM
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Silly,

Hitec TXs are normally neg shift, not pos shift like JR. The Prism, Eclipse, and the Optic are switchable, but the standard Hitec mode is neg shift.
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