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Old 02-02-2007, 05:56 PM
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Default Futaba SS FASST Full Range system/Aircraft

This just came out from Tony Stillman....

Sounds pretty good!!! The competition is starting to heat up

"Just to let everyone know…

Futaba has announced a 2.4Ghz Spread Spectrum system called FASST to be available in March. This is a FULL RANGE system with a retail price of $249.99!!! Street price will be less than $200!! All you Futaba fliers who have been waiting, here is your chance to get into SS!





Tony Stillman, President

Radio South

3702 N. Pace Blvd

Pensacola, FL 32505

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com"

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Old 02-02-2007, 07:22 PM
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OK
define "system"
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Hi Dick,
All that I know is what was announced on the yahoo group... Like the email says, Spread Spektrum, less than $200, Full range (not a park flier system), and something that the Futaba fliers will like so it must be aircraft (also Tony announcing it to the aircraft group).. Whether it's a 4 channel or etc?????

I'm very much looking forward to competing forms of the spread spektrum!!!!! Especially with the continued delays on the xls system and the lack of module development for the 9c etc radios...
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Old 02-02-2007, 08:30 PM
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Just for clarity here is the actual announcement:

* Good news!!! We'll be unveiling the new 2.4 FASST (Futaba
Advanced Spread Spectrum Technology)at E-FEST next weekend. For those
of you who are in the area, or will be here this will be the first
chance to see and feel the new system.

* We are especially happy to announce that the new system will be
a "full range" system, meaning that you'll be able to fly it in
anything that you've got. It's no longer designated as a "park
flyer" system.

* Testing in Japan as well as Hobbico has proven that the system
works well as far as you can see. We've also done extensive testing
with other 2.4 systems on the market, with no problems exhibited on
either side. This will give you factual info when people ask!

* The systems should be in stock by the end of March, and
the "retail" price on it will be $249.99.
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Old 02-02-2007, 09:26 PM
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Can you Upgrade a 8U, 9C, 9Cs, 9Z-wc2 12Z or 14MZ to it???? how much$$$$
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ken Bryant

Can you Upgrade a 8U, 9C, 9Cs, 9Z-wc2 12Z or 14MZ to it???? how much$$$$
No, it's not a modular system.
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Default RE: Futaba SS FASST Full Range system/Aircraft

There's another thread about a Futaba spread spectrum already available in Europe...

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_5352932/tm.htm
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No, it's not a modular system.
That will just thrill the guys that bought the 14MZ & 12Z radios
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Old 02-03-2007, 02:10 PM
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I own a 14MZ. Doesn't matter one bit to me. I have no idea what Futaba plans relative to those radios for SS use, but even then the features of the 14MZ are enough to keep me flying it.

A couple of other points. By targeting the lower end of the market and hopefully getting them into SS first they are removing one of my worst fears, the guy with the trainer or park flyer shooting me down. I honestly cannot recall the last time I had a glitch of any kind, going back for years using both JR and Futaba radios in carbon fiber gliders, giant scale gas planes, or helicopters. So I really don't worry much about that.

I moved to Ham Band to reduce the shoot down possibilities as well. But even on 72 as more people move to SS the fewer there will be to shoot you down.

So at least for me I don't worry too much about my 14MZ and SS. Even if they came out with it tomorrow I would likely stay on Ham Band for now. I'd have to buy a whole bunch of receivers!!

For those with the 9-12-14 channel Futaba radios they can go the XPS after market module route here very soon, so that issue is resolved as well.

In the end, we all have to keep in mind what these guys sell the most of. Car radios are #1 by a HUGE margin. Once in aircraft radios the 4 to 7 channels radios FAR outsell the 9 to 14 channel range radios. We all have our own little corner of the world and tend to view everything from that perspective. But we need to remember that all the major players are looking at a much bigger world and one that they need to service to stay in business. I doubt they are not getting it, at least past performance would tend to indicate that they know what they are doing.
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Old 02-03-2007, 03:42 PM
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I just sold my Ham equipment - which worked perfectly all on 53.xx I am KA7PON -a licensed operator.
I went to - exclusively 2.4 -equipment
Why?
The 2.4 DX7 is simply -to me a huge advance in greatly simplified reliability and faster information transfer.
Would I use 72 anymore ?
Not on your tintype dearie - Tha advent of dip sh-its who have zippo knowledge of risks and less about flying -who will also have 72 equipment available for nothing or next to nothing - makes it the crapshoot of the century.
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Old 02-03-2007, 06:49 PM
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I moved to Ham Band to reduce the shoot down possibilities as well. But even on 72 as more people move to SS the fewer there will be to shoot you down.{Quote}

Thirty years ago you were right. Today-------rots a ruck!
I flew 53 and then 50MHz for 30+ years. I was shot down BIG TIME at a site far from everything. Read "safe". I am a Gen. Class.

After that I began some serious "checking around" and found that there were many who had had the same experience. Six is VERY dirty in some parts of the country while in some other areas you can get away with it-----Dick's 'Crap shoot of the Century' was applied to 72MHz but I would extend that to 50MHz spots in a heart beat.

You are in So. Cal.------can't imagine you haven't been hit. That was a bit on the six meter wild side 25 years ago! We didn't lose any planes but the air was far from clear even then.

Add the 'total excuse' they now use for a Tech. license exam and you can see that it is NO safe haven.

One HAM to another you just got out of the frying pan and into the fire. Hope your luck holds out.
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Old 02-03-2007, 07:35 PM
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And how long did it take them to come out with a synth module on the 9C ? And they knew how that worked already!
I wouldnt hold my breath for a plug in module for a number of reasons and there are still plenty of Diehards to buy the 12 and 14mz around, judging by some of the reaction I got when I turned up with a DX instead of a 9Z, some of it a bit hostile.
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Old 02-03-2007, 07:48 PM
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judging by some of the reaction I got when I turned up with a DX instead of a 9Z, some of it a bit hostile.
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Yes, I experienced that.
Mine was in place of the 10X I had been flying (sold it in Dec.).

I think some guys get married to their Tx ------- the whole idea is to fly your plane!!!!!

Seems as if they lose sight of that.
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I am reminded of the dog food company which was headed for BK
The pres held a meeting of all the company top management personell.
"What is going on? " he asked
"Don't we have the best packaging -the finest ad programs -the most arfully shaped nibbles - the most meat like texture?"
"yes sir -we do --"
"Well then -what is the problem?"
"Sir- the dogs won't eat it ".
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:15 PM
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AH yes,-------the difference between the lab tests and real life!!
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ORIGINAL: onewasp
You are in So. Cal.------can't imagine you haven't been hit. That was a bit on the six meter wild side 25 years ago! We didn't lose any planes but the air was far from clear even then.
One HAM to another you just got out of the frying pan and into the fire. Hope your luck holds out.
But there it is, not a single problem in well over 13 years of ham band flying in California (north and south), Arizona (several Phoenix sites and also multiple sites in Tucson), Nevada, and Muncie. I agree that 53 never seemed a good place to be. I carry a scanner for the 50 meg band and have yet to pick up anything unexpected or problematic. So based on what I call rather extensive experience I can only say that your experiences are different from mine. I also do not see it as a matter of luck. Certainly there may be "dirty" areas, but I have been fortunate I guess in not having to fly at any of them. And trust me, I am not that lucky!!

Go figure.
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I have the 14mz and do not regret buying it.
I will wait on SS for a little while. It is not a priority of mine.
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-----NOT trying for 'the last word' but I said the same thing------right up to May31,2005-----Zapped like a bug!

We monitored the field for several weeks (class scanner) found nothing---ever---I quit adding up the crash losses when I got to the first $1000 mark.
In desperation I went to 72MHz synthesized, dual conversion. Never had so much as a bounce. When they announced Spektrum I sold out and went for it-----instantly.

One of my brighter choices.

Again, I wish you luck. Like life----your alive until you're dead----six meters is free from all interference until------------------- 1500 watts one time!

Simply the way it is. If you check with Futaba USA, try to find a HAM (they are there)------you may be surprised at what you find out.
I was.
But it was too late.
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What I have seen so far is that the first people at our field to go SS are the same ones who never could do good radio installs anyway. They blamed the equipment for all their radio woes. Just a matter of time and they will start flaming SS. I actually LIKE the switch-over from 72MHz to SS, it eliminates the problems caused by idiots who don't use frequency control.

Until somebody releases a SS system that can truly replace my hi-end TX's I will look into it again, not before. Bleeding edge is no fun. As pointed out in previous posts, only time will tell. No matter how much lab work and field testing are done. As soon as you have an idiot proof system, along comes a better idiot.

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They blamed the equipment for all their radio woes.
As Treasresure Sec for our club I have a fair bit of rules/safety input, as far as frequency control goes.
My unhappiness with 72 has nothing to do with glitches or install.
I have had someone( witnessed by others) turn on their radio by mistake 2 times in the last 6 months on my frequency while flying a 35%, both times I flew thru.
Now our LHS is churning out a few more trainers on my channel...I had a good run for 5 yrs as I was pretty much the only one on it.
No more looking over my shoulder for now!
Oh and the guy that kept on turning his tranny on ...I talked him into a DX as well.
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blikseme300,

Your observations may indeed be correct.
The advantage in your example of DSSS use is that it will only be them.

Unfortunately nothing is 'damn fool' proof.
Prior to ARFs these guys only made one appearance----too much work to build another plane.
Not all change (ARFs) leads to good results. Not a 'put down' ---simply a fact.

Today we have a lot of (not all) appliance operators! They call themselves "Modelers" but they are not. Simply big kids with expensive toys.
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Has anyone heard whether the futaba system is going to be a 4 or 6 channel?
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I have a 14mz and DX-7. I love both radios, which causes me to *YAWN* at this Futaba announcement. From my perspective, if I was in the market for a "full range" system, I would want something a little more sophisticated than what Futaba announced. Futaba has yet to create a "halo" product demonstrating SS technology.
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