DougV

From here: http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp...OD&ProdID=7138

Doug.

summerwind

thx Doug,

i hope their info is right on this.

Gungadin

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the 1024 VS 2048 resolution. The 9303 is definitely 2048. I'm not so sure the 10C is. There seems to be some uncertainty on this. That would be a big advantage for the 9303 for me. Anyone know for sure ?

summerwind

i think all we have is a bunch of cut and paste spec's along with speculations..........whatever Futaba releases will more than likely follow the comp.

Gungadin

summerwind---You are probably correct about the cut and paste business. IMO if the 10C does not go 2048 it will be "less than" the X9303 and Futaba will be missing the boat. Also if that's the case I will be trading my 9C in for a X9303 instead of the 10C. I plan on checking it out in a few weeks at the Toledo Show.

summerwind

the only thing that suggests that the 10C is truly 2048 is that it's sold with the R6014FS Rx which is suppose to be 2048.....

http://2.4gigahertz.com/systems/futk9200.html

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXRTS7&P=0

Josey Wales

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According to the RCU announcement of the 2.4 10c, its 1024 and nowhere is it mentioned about quad-bearing gimbals--

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/n...roduct_id=2743

summerwind

Zactly........that's why i asked DougV (above) where he got the info on the gimbals...............in which he kindly provided a link...........but this info is most likely a cut and paste in an effort to get pre-sales......NO?

Josey Wales

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It coulda just been a mis-print though--usually the quad bearing gimbals are reserved for the high-priced tx's like the 12 and 14 Futaba's and the 12x JR's.
On another forum a rep from Hobbico also confirmed that the 10c is 1024 in either 72mhz or 2.4mhz.

summerwind

that's so true Joe......

pilotpete2

Except that the R6014FS is compatible with the TM-8 module, which I doubt is 2048, unless that's the difference between 7 channel mode and multi ch. mode on the TM-8. While higher resolution is a good thing, with typical sport servos it is unlikely you could tell the difference between 1024 and 2048, with 1024 discrete positions on a control stick, the resolution is pretty fine, if you had a digital readout of those steps, do you think you could move the stick with enough precision that the readout advanced only one count, I'd like to try it.
I would think speed is more of a factor than resolution and resolution has nothing to do with speed.
Pete

Another thought, it was mentioned that the 10C is advertised as coming with the R6014 receiver. That all depends on how FASST the 10C makes to market and on how FASST the R6010 receiver makes it to market, (OK, I made up the model number), but you get the drift. As far as the advertising goes, there is a standard disclaimer for all product brochures, "The manufacturer reserves the right to change price, color, features without notice, blah, blah, yada, yada"[:-]

Paul Cataldo

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Dang guys,
I too was really hoping the Futaba 10C would be 2048. Hell, I would have really thought it would be.
Anyhow, wouldn't a 2048 Tx be very well suited for the new Hitec 7955's, which are supposed to have twice the resolution? (am I correct here, or way off ?) I admit, I'm lost when it comes to this stuff.
Hell, on the other hand, I feel like the Futaba 10C might have more features I want, than the JR. I mean, I MUST have the option of programming any switch to do as I want, and I just couldn't see having it any other way. OTOH, IF the Futaba is only 1024, then I need to determine IF having 2048 is REALLY going to be something I will want or not?
Dang, how I am having SUCH a hard time deciding.

It looks a couple of the major differences, that are important to me, are as follows:

1. 10C has infinite? assignable switches, 9303 does NOT.

2. Unfortunately the 10C is only 1024 capable, and the JR 9303 IS INDEED 2048.

Can anyone here convince me as to how important 1024 vs 2048 is? I could use the help, as this may help me make my final decision..


SO, it looks like I need to figure out this whole 1024/2048 issue here, before I decide...

Josey Wales

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I re-read the specs on the 10C in the RCU write up and nowhere did it state about "servo grouping". This, IMO is more important than the 2048/1024 issue. If this is the case, then I wouldn't even consider the 10C, unless you don't plan on having any planes with dual elevator servos. It is strange that the 10C doesn't have the 2048 since their competitor has this for basically the same price.
I do like the channel hopping system better than the Spektrum system BUT since I am flying mostly 50cc and up, the idea of the remote rx's outweighs this. With the remotes, you can position them in the plane so they get a clear view of the signal..with the FAAST you are limited to where you can place the antenna's.

These are just my views and reasons why I went with the JR. Both are easy to program too.

Paul Cataldo

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Well here are a couple more questions I have:

1. What is this "servo grouping", and how does it work? Is it basically a function where you tell the Tx to match multiple servos together, THUS ELIMINATING the need to ever use a Hitec Programmer or JR Matchbox again???? Is THAT what this feature is?
IF SO, then why do I see so many guys still using the servo programmer and Matchboxes with these radios?

2. In regards to the 1024/2048 ordeal. Is this something that I will REALLY notice? I mean, does the 2048 give you a better feel of the plane or what? Is 2048 similar to "servo resolution"???? I'm trying to determine IF I will even NOTICE the difference between 1024 and 2048?????

3. Last question: In regards to the JR not having the capability to assign switch functions like the 10C can.
What is the exact details of this issue? I mean, can the Futaba 9C and 10C assign ANY SWITCH to ANY LOCATION on the Tx???? (ie I could put the throttle kill switch ANYWHERE I want it?) I THOUGHT I recalled that my old 9C could not put it ANYWHERE I wanted, but I did have a few options.

How about the JR 9303? I mean, can you still assign and re-assign switch functions and move them around to just a few less locations than the Futaba 9C/10C, OR can you NOT even move them around at all with the JR????

Thanks for clearing up these THREE MAIN issues for me guys. I think these issues are the biggest, most important issues I have heard about, but I could be wrong.
I hope someone can help out, and I can finally put this issue to rest, and make my decision.
Thanks SO MUCH for all the wonderful help from ALL of you guys!

pilotpete2

Hi Paul,
Is your old 9C the original or super? I know with the super, you have no limitations I'm aware of on switch assignments, for example I have throttle kill assigned on the trainer switch on my 9Cs.
Servo grouping changes channel assignments so that if dual aileron or dual elevators servos are programmed, the two channels for the elevator for example, will be adjacent to each other (2&3) eliminating most of the delay between servos.
Pete

Flying Geezer

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My 9C (orignal version) was very flexible on switch assignment, but not on every single function. My 12FG is almost universal in switch assignment, but I'm not sure there aren't some exceptions.

As for the 1024/2048 question, if you were happy with the 9C you should be happy with the 10C if it's 1024. I'm not sure the 1024/2048 question has been answered. I have heard it both ways and don't know which is true.

Paul Cataldo

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Sweet, thanks guys.
I do remember using the trainer "spring tension" switch for the THR kill on my old 9C as well, and that is how I always want to be able to keep it.
I assume this MAY NOT be possible with the 2.4 JR 9303? Anyone?

So, it looks like we are still looking for the answer on the 1024 vs 2048 ordeal. I will try to do some searches tonight to find the answer, but I'm sure it's one of those things that will take hours to find a concrete answer. Maybe, maybe not... That's usually how it works for me though, when dealing with slightly more complicated issues such as this...

Stick 40

Hi,

I am getting back into flying after a few years absence, I was looking at the futaba 6 c 2.4 systems. I don't see any one bring them up. Is the 7c futaba that much better?
Its nice to be back flying again.

ljones5000

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Please understand that I am an absolute dummy when it comes to technology but I read in another forum that 1024 versus 2048 is a moot point because the servos won't do 2048 anyway.

Zeeb

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The new Hitec servos which are not yet out will have 2048 resolution, but since they're not out yet that is a moot point as is this whole discussion as the 10C is not out yet....

Paul Cataldo

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ljones5000,
Well that all depends on HOW MANY channels you need, and that depends on what type of airplane, and what SIZE airplane you are flying?
I fly giant scale planes, 33% and larger, so I NEED at least 9 channels for what I am doing. I use TWO channels for the ailerons, TWO channels for the elevators, 1 channel (and sometimes 2) for rudder, 1 channel for throttle, and sometimes 1 channel for the choke servo. This does NOT include the extra channel ports I need to plug my Rx switches into.
SO, IF you need 7 channels, you need the Futaba 7C. Otherwise, you might be ok with the Futaba 6 channel radio...

bgold

The answer on the 1024/2048 question I got from Bax was - Yes the 10C is 1024 but the 10C has a new higher speed mother board and 1024 on a 10C will run as fast as 2048 on old systems.

rmh

The 6? porkey?
Is there a 6 channel 2.4 compatible with other Futaba 2.4?

Paul Cataldo

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No idea Dick, but the user above mentioned it, you'll have to ask him.
I was just answering his question about 6 vs 7 ch...

What the F does "porkey" mean anyway? LOL..

3DAP

Paul,

I have talked to you in the past about this same issue. Myself like you would like to get 2.4 and the 10c looks great, but with all of recent issues with Futaba in the past 6 months would you not like to wait to see if it has any bugs? As much of a Futaba head as I am, I must say the 9303 has had excellent reviews and a lot of Futaba guys are switching over and absolutely love it. If I do switch right now I would buy the JR and talk to every one that has switched and already have it figured out. The main reason I am still 72mhz is no freq conflict at the field. That may change though, I pray it wont. But 9303 has much better reputation at this time. Lets wait and see if Futaba will get back to its old reputation?

3DAP