Hangar 9 20cc Tiger Moth Build
04-11-2012, 01:13 PM
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Hangar 9 20cc Tiger Moth Build
Guys, I am curious if you would be interested in a full build thread on the new Hangar 9 Tiger Moth similar to the one I did on the P-47. Let me know if this is the right forum for it or if it should be somewhere else.
Thanks,
Thanks,
04-11-2012, 01:50 PM
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Please do John, the tiger Moth has some very graceful lines and I'm sure you will find a lot of eager interest pilots once you get started! I love to see builds on an airplanes I may want to consider building and flying.
Thank you
Thank you
04-12-2012, 09:20 AM
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I'm assuming its an ARF??? Cant imagine H9 would have actually brought out a ''full build'' kit......
I'm assuming its an ARF??? Cant imagine H9 would have actually brought out a ''full build'' kit......
I still live in hope Top Flite will bring out a Staggerwing kit since the ARF is so popular. Something in a smaller scale than the ARF would be nice.
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RE: Hangar 9 20cc Tiger Moth Build
ORIGINAL: John Redman
Guys, I am curious if you would be interested in a full build thread on the new Hangar 9 Tiger Moth similar to the one I did on the P-47. Let me know if this is the right forum for it or if it should be somewhere else.
Thanks,
Guys, I am curious if you would be interested in a full build thread on the new Hangar 9 Tiger Moth similar to the one I did on the P-47. Let me know if this is the right forum for it or if it should be somewhere else.
Thanks,
John
Yes, please! I've got one on order. Do you know the projected delivery date?
Thanks
04-17-2012, 10:24 AM
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To answer a few questions here. The Tiger Moths are on the way and should be in customers hands within the next 30 days.
As for an ARC, you can strip the model in about 20 minutes. Cost to save on covering is so low it isn't worth it from a manufacturer's stand point. We have tried this in the past and threw models away as they did not sell. I think that Top Flight has seen this as well as they did the 1/5th scale Mustang and have not done another one since. It also leaves an issue on how you will paint the fiberglass parts. Modelers just don't have good paint solutions for them, most of our paint manufacturers from eyars past have left the business.
As for building, that part of our hobby is a lost art and I would believe the sky is falling before believing that building is coming back. ARF's and repair parts are what sells. I do not like that but it is a fact across not only our nation, but other nations as well. It is a sad day.
As for a different scheme, I woudl have loved to have had them do the yellow/camoflage scheme. Just not executable on a mass produced model without (1) increasing the cost by a significant amount and (2) changing the fuselage structure to ensure a location to adhere the yellow/camo line to.
So I will be starting this shortly. Stay tuned. For those of you that were not aware of the P-47 build thread I did, it lives here.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10906674
As for an ARC, you can strip the model in about 20 minutes. Cost to save on covering is so low it isn't worth it from a manufacturer's stand point. We have tried this in the past and threw models away as they did not sell. I think that Top Flight has seen this as well as they did the 1/5th scale Mustang and have not done another one since. It also leaves an issue on how you will paint the fiberglass parts. Modelers just don't have good paint solutions for them, most of our paint manufacturers from eyars past have left the business.
As for building, that part of our hobby is a lost art and I would believe the sky is falling before believing that building is coming back. ARF's and repair parts are what sells. I do not like that but it is a fact across not only our nation, but other nations as well. It is a sad day.
As for a different scheme, I woudl have loved to have had them do the yellow/camoflage scheme. Just not executable on a mass produced model without (1) increasing the cost by a significant amount and (2) changing the fuselage structure to ensure a location to adhere the yellow/camo line to.
So I will be starting this shortly. Stay tuned. For those of you that were not aware of the P-47 build thread I did, it lives here.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10906674
04-21-2012, 03:12 PM
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RE: Hangar 9 20cc Tiger Moth Build
ORIGINAL: John Redman
To answer a few questions here. The Tiger Moths are on the way and should be in customers hands within the next 30 days.
As for an ARC, you can strip the model in about 20 minutes. Cost to save on covering is so low it isn't worth it from a manufacturer's stand point. We have tried this in the past and threw models away as they did not sell. I think that Top Flight has seen this as well as they did the 1/5th scale Mustang and have not done another one since. It also leaves an issue on how you will paint the fiberglass parts. Modelers just don't have good paint solutions for them, most of our paint manufacturers from eyars past have left the business.
As for building, that part of our hobby is a lost art and I would believe the sky is falling before believing that building is coming back. ARF's and repair parts are what sells. I do not like that but it is a fact across not only our nation, but other nations as well. It is a sad day.
As for a different scheme, I woudl have loved to have had them do the yellow/camoflage scheme. Just not executable on a mass produced model without (1) increasing the cost by a significant amount and (2) changing the fuselage structure to ensure a location to adhere the yellow/camo line to.
So I will be starting this shortly. Stay tuned. For those of you that were not aware of the P-47 build thread I did, it lives here.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10906674
To answer a few questions here. The Tiger Moths are on the way and should be in customers hands within the next 30 days.
As for an ARC, you can strip the model in about 20 minutes. Cost to save on covering is so low it isn't worth it from a manufacturer's stand point. We have tried this in the past and threw models away as they did not sell. I think that Top Flight has seen this as well as they did the 1/5th scale Mustang and have not done another one since. It also leaves an issue on how you will paint the fiberglass parts. Modelers just don't have good paint solutions for them, most of our paint manufacturers from eyars past have left the business.
As for building, that part of our hobby is a lost art and I would believe the sky is falling before believing that building is coming back. ARF's and repair parts are what sells. I do not like that but it is a fact across not only our nation, but other nations as well. It is a sad day.
As for a different scheme, I woudl have loved to have had them do the yellow/camoflage scheme. Just not executable on a mass produced model without (1) increasing the cost by a significant amount and (2) changing the fuselage structure to ensure a location to adhere the yellow/camo line to.
So I will be starting this shortly. Stay tuned. For those of you that were not aware of the P-47 build thread I did, it lives here.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10906674
04-22-2012, 11:29 AM
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To the preson who thinks "building is on the rise" I have some ocean front property in Kansas if you're interested..Cheap!
To the preson who thinks "building is on the rise" I have some ocean front property in Kansas if you're interested..Cheap!
04-23-2012, 07:11 AM
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My local hobby shop reports he has seen a slow increase in the number of rc pilots seeking information and making purchases of materials to try their hand at building over the last year. Now are they building from the ground up, modifying an existing ARF, or building from plans or building their own designs he doesn't know. But he is seeing purchases being made. It could be local it could be wide spread but it is happening. Considering the markup on hobby materials the LHS are going to be the most sensitive in following trends, they have to if they want to survive and make a living. Look at the percentage of local shops still in business after 10 years, I'll bet it can't be more than 10% and I would hazzard a guess it is less than 10%.
04-23-2012, 08:51 AM
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It is great to hear there are guys out there trying their hand at building, whether from scratch of modifying an ARF or building an old kit. There will always be those that prefer to make their own over one that is preassembled like the ARF's of today. I truly miss seeing the new creations show up at a club field. That was a fair amount of the love of going to the field on the weekend when I was a kid. You heard a phone call or two about someone finally had xyz model ready for a maiden and a fair amount of the club showed up to see and support. Today ARF's make maidens almost every weekend in a busy club to a point they get lost in the mix at times.
While there are still a few companies bringing "kits" to life (whom I definitely applaud) I doubt we will see any more from teh big names that used to be in the game. Sales dollars just are not there anymore is my belief.
While there are still a few companies bringing "kits" to life (whom I definitely applaud) I doubt we will see any more from teh big names that used to be in the game. Sales dollars just are not there anymore is my belief.
04-23-2012, 10:17 AM
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I must agree at the current level even with a slow increase the demand is not there to recover the cost of developing a kit for the big boys. Now if the demand goes up considerably and with the advantage of laser cutting over the cost of die cutting it could become feasable or you might see the big boys entering into a distribution agreement with smaller companies. A lot would have to do with the cost/benefit of the businesses involved. The main thing you would need is to see a lot of new builders before anything could happen. Face it ARFs are cheap because the labor cheap in the east and it is the availability of cheap ARFs and Park Fliers that will pull in a lot of new people into the hobby. It will be the world economy that will drive the changes in the future.
04-23-2012, 12:30 PM
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I hate all the junk ARFs on eBay and I do not recommend them at all.
Support your local hobby store, even if he has to order your solatex natural from BUSA. We drive them out of business ourselves.
Support your local hobby store, even if he has to order your solatex natural from BUSA. We drive them out of business ourselves.
04-23-2012, 12:46 PM
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In the world of kit manufacturing die cutting is far lower cost than laser cutting. Laser cutting takes a lot of time and the machines are not cheap, especially when you get a bed large enough to do the job. Die Cutting is the easiest and lowest cost in mass production. For me I have no love of the die cutting experience. Did that enough in my younger years. Laser cutting ensures far more acurate airfoils and a more precise fittign parts count for easier building.
With the huge influx of young people into the hobby in the past 5 years they unfortunately do not have any real love of the creativeness of building and are more of the immediate gratification society. I doubt the economy will have much to do with a change in this arena. You will need to change the position of society as a whole to see a difference.
With the huge influx of young people into the hobby in the past 5 years they unfortunately do not have any real love of the creativeness of building and are more of the immediate gratification society. I doubt the economy will have much to do with a change in this arena. You will need to change the position of society as a whole to see a difference.
06-11-2012, 04:21 PM
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RE: Hangar 9 20cc Tiger Moth Build
ORIGINAL: John Redman
To answer a few questions here. The Tiger Moths are on the way and should be in customers hands within the next 30 days.
As for an ARC, you can strip the model in about 20 minutes. Cost to save on covering is so low it isn't worth it from a manufacturer's stand point. We have tried this in the past and threw models away as they did not sell. I think that Top Flight has seen this as well as they did the 1/5th scale Mustang and have not done another one since. It also leaves an issue on how you will paint the fiberglass parts. Modelers just don't have good paint solutions for them, most of our paint manufacturers from eyars past have left the business.
As for building, that part of our hobby is a lost art and I would believe the sky is falling before believing that building is coming back. ARF's and repair parts are what sells. I do not like that but it is a fact across not only our nation, but other nations as well. It is a sad day.
As for a different scheme, I woudl have loved to have had them do the yellow/camoflage scheme. Just not executable on a mass produced model without (1) increasing the cost by a significant amount and (2) changing the fuselage structure to ensure a location to adhere the yellow/camo line to.
So I will be starting this shortly. Stay tuned. For those of you that were not aware of the P-47 build thread I did, it lives here.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10906674
To answer a few questions here. The Tiger Moths are on the way and should be in customers hands within the next 30 days.
As for an ARC, you can strip the model in about 20 minutes. Cost to save on covering is so low it isn't worth it from a manufacturer's stand point. We have tried this in the past and threw models away as they did not sell. I think that Top Flight has seen this as well as they did the 1/5th scale Mustang and have not done another one since. It also leaves an issue on how you will paint the fiberglass parts. Modelers just don't have good paint solutions for them, most of our paint manufacturers from eyars past have left the business.
As for building, that part of our hobby is a lost art and I would believe the sky is falling before believing that building is coming back. ARF's and repair parts are what sells. I do not like that but it is a fact across not only our nation, but other nations as well. It is a sad day.
As for a different scheme, I woudl have loved to have had them do the yellow/camoflage scheme. Just not executable on a mass produced model without (1) increasing the cost by a significant amount and (2) changing the fuselage structure to ensure a location to adhere the yellow/camo line to.
So I will be starting this shortly. Stay tuned. For those of you that were not aware of the P-47 build thread I did, it lives here.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10...m.htm#10906674
G'day John,
mate while I agree with a lot of what you say I can state with high degree of confidence that builders are coming back in a big way here. I am heavily into the warbird scene and have 6 build projects stacked up. A close mate has 2, 1/4 spit and 1/5 mossie. Scale and warbirds are huge here, those guys are all builders. Kit cutters here are swamped, they can't keep up with demand for laser cut parts to suit the well known plans, Vailly, Holman, Bates et al.
Can't speak for the US and rest of the world.
As they say "If you build it, they will come"
We love build up kits!! Only TF and SIG are offering build up, maybe some in UK, Flair for example.
ARF / ARC will have a place, especially for entry level. But we do want the build kits!
I would suggest the modelling manufacturers & suppliers such as yourself need to start at grass roots level like they do in sports. Get into the schools, get programs in place to teach kids how to build, understand aerodynamics etc. If you teach the kids then you are building your market. Gets them away from X box etc too.
Here is Oz we have the Airforce cadets run by dedicated mostly ex military folk and part of their curriculum with the kids is building and flying RC models as well as the theory behind it all.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
Cheers
Peter
06-12-2012, 05:24 AM
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Pete,
I agree with you I can't find a kit cutter in the US that will take an order before the end of the year! That's even with record breaking price increases in the cost of balsa. John has tunnel vision as does a lot of the hobby industry. ARF, BNF, and RTF are still very popular but a lot of the flyers who rode into the hobby on the wave of pre-built airplanes are getting tired of having the same old plane that looks like everyone else's airplane and they want something different. Many show up at the local clubs looking for help to get started in building. We are fortunate to have several good LHS in this area and the owners are telling the same story, building is going up and balsa, ply, and accessories sales are going up.
I agree with you I can't find a kit cutter in the US that will take an order before the end of the year! That's even with record breaking price increases in the cost of balsa. John has tunnel vision as does a lot of the hobby industry. ARF, BNF, and RTF are still very popular but a lot of the flyers who rode into the hobby on the wave of pre-built airplanes are getting tired of having the same old plane that looks like everyone else's airplane and they want something different. Many show up at the local clubs looking for help to get started in building. We are fortunate to have several good LHS in this area and the owners are telling the same story, building is going up and balsa, ply, and accessories sales are going up.
06-12-2012, 06:09 AM
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Well I do have an ARF, just tool delivery of a H9 1/4 scle Tiger Moth. One of the better ARFs.
My current build list:
TF GS P47, heavily modified - at painting stage
Vailly Tempest 105"
Vailly Yak 3 96"
TF Cessna 182
96" Spit, glass fuz, foam core wings
96" P40, glass fuz, foam core wings
Refurb 90" Spit
Currently flying:
1/4 scale SIG J3 Cub
Vailly 90" Seafury - all build up
JMI P51D 82" glass fuz, build up wings
Flair Astrohog
just retired a 30 year old Pica 65" spit
My current build list:
TF GS P47, heavily modified - at painting stage
Vailly Tempest 105"
Vailly Yak 3 96"
TF Cessna 182
96" Spit, glass fuz, foam core wings
96" P40, glass fuz, foam core wings
Refurb 90" Spit
Currently flying:
1/4 scale SIG J3 Cub
Vailly 90" Seafury - all build up
JMI P51D 82" glass fuz, build up wings
Flair Astrohog
just retired a 30 year old Pica 65" spit
06-12-2012, 07:34 AM
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Well I do have an ARF, just tool delivery of a H9 1/4 scle Tiger Moth. One of the better ARFs.
Well I do have an ARF, just tool delivery of a H9 1/4 scle Tiger Moth. One of the better ARFs.
My current build list:
1937 Ryan SC-M prototype
1938 Ryan SC-W Production model
TF Cessna 182
TF Corsair (redesigned smaller model)
Dornier D-1 biplane so ugly only Dornier could love it!
Assembling materials for the following:
Uravitch Cessna 190
Charles Richard 1/4 scale 1946 Globe Swift
Now flying:
SIG LT40
SIG 1/5th J-3 Cub
Ace R/C monoplane that I don't remember the name of it's a .19 3 channel tail dragger
GWS Beaver foamy
SIG Rascal C
06-13-2012, 02:29 AM
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Gosh, I though my build list was unwieldy.
In the order I started them (so far as I can recall)...
Tony Nijhuis Hurricane (62")
Tony Nijhuis Spit Mark 9 (62")
Peter Rake Sopwith Tabloid (Prototype)
Tony Nijhuis Supermarine S6b
Balsa USA Sopwith Pup (1/6th)
Goldberg anniversary Piper Cub
Balsa USA Ne17 (1/6th)
Dave Hurrell BE2c (1/6th)
Cheers,
Hugh
In the order I started them (so far as I can recall)...
Tony Nijhuis Hurricane (62")
Tony Nijhuis Spit Mark 9 (62")
Peter Rake Sopwith Tabloid (Prototype)
Tony Nijhuis Supermarine S6b
Balsa USA Sopwith Pup (1/6th)
Goldberg anniversary Piper Cub
Balsa USA Ne17 (1/6th)
Dave Hurrell BE2c (1/6th)
Cheers,
Hugh