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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'


    ORIGINAL: alanc

    Pete Neates creations could not be in better hands Ian,***superb work yet again
    Cheers Alan, its getting closer!!

    Taxi trials today. Showed up an issue wth too much toe in on the main wheels, adjusted out later but you can see the 'walking' main wheels at the start. Power wise its great, I quite ike the noise too. Removed about 2lb of lead from the nose. Taxiing requires practice, tendency to nose over when taxiing too slowly, though the lead removal helped greatly, allowing slower taxiing eventually. Very manouvreable, nothing fell off and ready to go once the paperwork comes back.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Great sound and model Ian. Looks like she will lift of very easy and float away [8D]

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    I put great confidence in anyone who can get four engines started that easily! Shows things have been done right!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Cheers folks

    Well Helena flies!!! Four flights to date, with no real issues apart from the tailplane incidence needs adjusting to remove some up trim. To fulfill the LMA over 20kg flight test requirements all aspects of the flight envelope have to be thoroughly proven before a full exemption is granted by the CAA. This includes low and high (!!!!!) speed flight, power on stall, power off stall plus any prototypical manouvres, which in this case is fairly limited to sideslips!

    The test flights were taken at Stow Maries Aerodrome, an ORIGINAL WWI aerodrome being restored to its former glory, heres a link to the facebook pages.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Superb!
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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Cheers David. Whilst the model is now flyable, there are lots of little bits that need adding. The most prominent are the art deco mudguards on the main wheels, very characteristic of the age. They are 8" diameter and 2 1/2" wide. They've been bashed into a leather sandbag and over a steel dolly after being annealed. The material is 1mm thick aluminium. They need a final trim once I have a matched pair.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    That is fantastic Ian!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Beautiful job on a first rate airliner from the period. I came across what appears to be a quality scale Aeromodeller plan on outerzone a while back. Always been somewhere on the want list, but your model has certainly pushed up the interest.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Thanks for the kind words chaps. To say I'm pleased with the way it flies is an understatement. It can fly so slowly that it takes a good few minutes to get round a decent circuit. The slats work great. They were locked in for the first flight, then unlocked during the second flight, where they only pop out when close to the stall. When stalled, if they are locked in there is very little aileron control during the mushy stall that occurs. But, with them unlocked aileron control is still good enough to fly the model in circuits whilst it mushes groundwards. The rudder balance panels are trouble free too. I was in some doubt as to whether I'd set them up right, opting for very slight toe in, the (my) theory being to keep them 'loaded' to remove any flutter around centre. The rudders are very powerful since they are almost completely in the waft of the four propellers. Power wise, although not by any means overpowered, its very comfortable for scale flight with cruise at 2/3 power. It amazes me that four twenty year old Zenoah 22 engines will haul nearly 80lb of blunt aeroplane!!

    I'm hoping to get some more flying in with it over this festive break, fingers crossed,

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Here's a couple more in flight shots from the first days outing. The weather hasn't really been suitable for any kind of controlled flight since!!!! The mudguards are finished and just await fitting. It seems there were two types fitted to the full size HP42, both smooth and 'stringered'. It could be however that the stringers don't show up on some pics so I opted for the more labourious stringered version.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Also, here's an air to air video taken from an electric camera platform. It was also the camera planes first flight but there are a couple of ace clips on the vid. I very much look forward to getting some more when we've both practiced!! It does show the HP42's slow speed though and that it doesn't get buffetted much by the winds.

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKLbknj-Fus[/youtube]


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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    I hope Hutch won't mind me snaffling these pics and posting them here. He took them at a Christmas Fly In at Barkston Heath. The weather was truly awful but Neils camera (plus skilled use of said camera) takes the 25mph winds away completely!!! It took what seemed like a few minutes to crawl upwind, and micro seconds to get back downwind!! Many many thanks Neil, memorable pics indeed.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    There's no better combination than a world class model and a world class photographer! Ian, you take scale model building to a whole new level. And, for my money, Neil is one of the best aviation photographers around.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Totally agree Don,

    And I love that second shot, thats my favorite so far [8D]

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Thanks guys. What Ian also fails to mention in his modesty - His superb flying skills! The wind, as he says was up in the +20mph region, I still can't understand how he kept the model level when he did the crosswind leg - a lesser mortal - the model would've flipped over and dived into the ground. Outstanding flying and the model is PDG, too

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Neil - Thanks for those super photos! Happy New Year!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    NICE piccys Neil, of an equally nice subject, 2 things i want to see before i depart this mortal coil( hopefully a good few years then!! ) Ian knock something up to win our national scale championships, and to see this model in formation with the other same size, but doubtfully of the same class HP42 that is about to be test flown by LMA chair Dave J, nw that would be something to see!! TOP model Ian, i know thewhat the aircraft waslike when it was barn found, but the work you have done makes meproud to be yourmate,
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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Thanks, Alan. Somewhere in the dark past of my photography I have a picture of the original two HP42's flying together. Those of Mike Eccles and Alf Machin. I know Mikes doesn't exist any longer, but I'm not sure whether the one DJ has is Alf's original or a new he was reputed to be building.

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Dave has them both, the smaller one he flew at Woodford a few weeks ago, the larger one is work in progress, they will be flown at LMA events, in Alfs memory

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    The cover photo referred to earlier is on this book. It's a great book by David Boddington but seems to be out of print and unobtainable now.
    I believe it is Peter Neate with HP42 in the foregound with Dave Toyer in background holding DH Comet[img][/img] also on an RCME cover too I think.

    Can we expect to see the HP42 at shows in England this year?
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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Definately will be in attendance at a few UK shows, Cosford, the Nationals, Woodford, Rougham plus a few others. It'll also be in attendance at Euroflugtag in Germany and perhaps a do in France if I can sort it. It'll all be finished and detailed up for then too, mudguards and all!!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    The smaller HP42 on that cover hangs on the wall in my loft space, its 11.5 feet span and was a very large model in its day. Peter Neate retired it and removed a few linkages and the tank plumbing and it has remained that way since the early 90's. The covering appears to be silk over tissue, plus lithoplate. The silked areas are extremely fragile and any thoughts on getting this old girl flying would have to include a full recover, which in my opinion would spoil the model and the heritage it has, so a hanging it will stay!!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Here's a video of the same flight that Hutch's superb photographs were taken. Its amazing how the pics remove the wind element!!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Here's a video of the same flight that Hutch's superb photographs were taken. Its amazing how the pics remove the wind element since the 80lb model was chucked about a fair bit!! Also how quick it went downwind!!! RENO AIRLINES or what??!!

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    RE: Handley Page HP42E 'Helena'

    Here's another vid in slightly more favourable conditions. The model has completed all (plus a good few extra while I got it sorted) of its test flights for 'over 20kg' LMA scheme. So it is all now down to the small details. Now the CofG is right, I can glaze up the canopy, I actually made it into a hatch, seemed sensible. The hatch is removed by first sliding back the two windows which allows access to the retaining screws. Lithoplate framing and a lithoplate nose next. Made up some prop hub washers a bit more in keeping, got the mudguards all fixed up, the lighting too although I have blown the landing light in the nose by giving it 6v when it should have only been 4.8v, all markings are now complete. Heres some pics.

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