1/6th Scale HE-111
#151
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RE: 1/6th Scale HE-111
guys a little update here. I have been drawing the landing gear up for this beast so that I can make sure Ihave working gear drawings and so Ihave something Ican put on the plane so when I start working on wing and nacelle framing. Dave sent me a copy of his but there were a few snags in just enlarging the assy so I am using his as reference and drawing up mine from scratch. Hope to have pics later tonight.
Ialso will be doing the gear for the 335 soon too so I can go further on those drawings to verify everything before I start getting parts cut.
Ialso will be doing the gear for the 335 soon too so I can go further on those drawings to verify everything before I start getting parts cut.
#152
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RE: 1/6th Scale HE-111
heres a few screenshots of the gear. it's is not as simple as just enlarging his Iam having to make minor adjustments so things are taking a while but I am down to seeing light at the end of the tunnel
#155
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its all done within solidworks. Solidworks has a very sweet render program buildt into it. I been going batty today wondering why none of my dimensions were adding up. Ibeen spending so much time on these the last 3 days that i made a major screwup and that is the lower diagonal bracket I got way too high on the strut it is supposed to be down lower close to the axle. thus all my dimensions were off now Ihave to redo half a dozen parts for the third time lol but at least this time they will be correct
#156
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oh sorry abu these here would require a lot of machining. once I get these super scale finished and finish my HE-111 plans I will be drawing another set based on these that the average modeller could do in his shop using some hand tools and a solder gun and brass or whatever tubing
#157
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Ok I got everything fixed up now. Tomorrow err later this am I will add my cross-members and other than a few tweaks should have it finished then I will have to disassemble it and reassemble the assembly using the axis so I can animate and test it to see if it retracts properly or not
#158
RE: 1/6th Scale HE-111
So for the viewers here, ProfLooney is rescaling my gear from 1/13 scale to 1/6 scale and restructuring the parts to make them easier to scale in the future. The key difference from a design exercise is that I've gone through 4 prototype versions and have proven out this design and built the gear. As he said, the average modeler can't build this gear as is, but through some major simplification it can be.... I plan to add even more detail to this design for 1/6 scale usage and ProfLooney will make it simpler for the average modeler, so stay tuned for those changes. On with the show
#159
RE: 1/6th Scale HE-111
I can appreciate the abstract beauty of 3D renderings, but without a way to translate them into reality, they remain just electrons flying around a computer chip. Taking the case of the gear shown here, the "output" would presumably be a set of standard 2D engineering drawings that a skilled lathe and mill operator could turn (literally) into functioning landing gear on a flying model. Of course, at some point in the future there will be affordable 3D metal printing...at which point the 3D model can be sent directly to a manufacturer, cutting the modeler entirely out of the process of scale modeling.
I suppose what has always appealed to me about scale modeling is figuring out how I can take more or less readily available materials and turn them into something that both looks and works in a scale manner. So for example, it would be fun to try to work out how the relatively complex H111 gear could be made with some standard steel and aluminum tubing, some springs, a few bits of L-stock, etc. Or perhaps how one could incorporate already existing Robart struts (to take the brunt of the landing force) into the design. These the are types of ideas we used to see discussed in Flying Scale Modeler's "Sport Scale Masterclass" columns by Gordon Whitehead.
Anyway, I suspect my antiquated perspective is why I build the types of aircraft I do in the ways I always will.
Carry on.
I suppose what has always appealed to me about scale modeling is figuring out how I can take more or less readily available materials and turn them into something that both looks and works in a scale manner. So for example, it would be fun to try to work out how the relatively complex H111 gear could be made with some standard steel and aluminum tubing, some springs, a few bits of L-stock, etc. Or perhaps how one could incorporate already existing Robart struts (to take the brunt of the landing force) into the design. These the are types of ideas we used to see discussed in Flying Scale Modeler's "Sport Scale Masterclass" columns by Gordon Whitehead.
Anyway, I suspect my antiquated perspective is why I build the types of aircraft I do in the ways I always will.
Carry on.
#160
RE: 1/6th Scale HE-111
ORIGINAL: abufletcher
I can appreciate the abstract beauty of 3D renderings, but without a way to translate them into reality, they remain just electrons flying around a computer chip. Taking the case of the gear shown here, the ''output'' would presumably be a set of standard 2D engineering drawings that a skilled lathe and mill operator could turn (literally) into functioning landing gear on a flying model. Of course, at some point in the future there will be affordable 3D metal printing...at which point the 3D model can be sent directly to a manufacturer, cutting the modeler entirely out of the process of scale modeling.
I suppose what has always appealed to me about scale modeling is figuring out how I can take more or less readily available materials and turn them into something that both looks and works in a scale manner. So for example, it would be fun to try to work out how the relatively complex H111 gear could be made with some standard steel and aluminum tubing, some springs, a few bits of L-stock, etc. Or perhaps how one could incorporate already existing Robart struts (to take the brunt of the landing force) into the design. These the are types of ideas we used to see discussed in Flying Scale Modeler's ''Sport Scale Masterclass'' columns by Gordon Whitehead.
Anyway, I suspect my antiquated perspective is why I build the types of aircraft I do in the ways I always will.
Carry on.
I can appreciate the abstract beauty of 3D renderings, but without a way to translate them into reality, they remain just electrons flying around a computer chip. Taking the case of the gear shown here, the ''output'' would presumably be a set of standard 2D engineering drawings that a skilled lathe and mill operator could turn (literally) into functioning landing gear on a flying model. Of course, at some point in the future there will be affordable 3D metal printing...at which point the 3D model can be sent directly to a manufacturer, cutting the modeler entirely out of the process of scale modeling.
I suppose what has always appealed to me about scale modeling is figuring out how I can take more or less readily available materials and turn them into something that both looks and works in a scale manner. So for example, it would be fun to try to work out how the relatively complex H111 gear could be made with some standard steel and aluminum tubing, some springs, a few bits of L-stock, etc. Or perhaps how one could incorporate already existing Robart struts (to take the brunt of the landing force) into the design. These the are types of ideas we used to see discussed in Flying Scale Modeler's ''Sport Scale Masterclass'' columns by Gordon Whitehead.
Anyway, I suspect my antiquated perspective is why I build the types of aircraft I do in the ways I always will.
Carry on.
#161
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its actually not that worthless abu since the 3d solid models can be coded for cnc use. thats the difference with cnc you can use the drawings for manual machining your right the 2D.
Plus your forgetting 1 important thing abt taking the time to draw this in 3d. and thats the fact it can all be tested riught on the computer saving a ton of wasted materials because you can test them out in the software. solidworks can also check clearances and any problems with parts colliding where they arent supposed to.
so even though it may seem useless its not. once you get good working realy scale drawings then you can dumb them down for the average person. or you get them gcoded for those that want to have a scale set made
Plus your forgetting 1 important thing abt taking the time to draw this in 3d. and thats the fact it can all be tested riught on the computer saving a ton of wasted materials because you can test them out in the software. solidworks can also check clearances and any problems with parts colliding where they arent supposed to.
so even though it may seem useless its not. once you get good working realy scale drawings then you can dumb them down for the average person. or you get them gcoded for those that want to have a scale set made
#163
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well since a lot of these gear are tubing already one would just have to get a few odd bits macined and then put them inside the tubes. thats another thing im looking at. having a handful of parts machined that can be used with common tubing. so instead of hundreds of dollarsa for gear ya get yer kit and a few dollars more get a hardware pack for making your own gear
#164
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wabba have fun ABU today I am using this link which allows ppl to view my computer screen as I work on my drawings if ya want a giggle or two https://secure.join.me/356-179-172
#165
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ORIGINAL: abufletcher
Gorgeous!!! I'd say if you can do these hard bits then making the rest of a scale model is going to be easy!
Gorgeous!!! I'd say if you can do these hard bits then making the rest of a scale model is going to be easy!
#166
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yea when done dave we just have to reduce the 111 by 50% and youll have a baby 111 lol then we can attach it to the under belly of mine like they did the v1 and launch you that way rofl
#167
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That would be worth doing just for the laughs! Actually, I need to do a 12th scale Fi-103 too, but maybe just as a glider (or AAA sized rocket motor?)
#168
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well I got all the parts made gonna take a break rest of today let my head clear then tomorrow will remate on axis and test everything out so today Imay just relax and set everything up for the DO-335 Gear. Like said once Iget both gear drawn up Ican work on the plans and make sure the framing is all done around the gear
#169
RE: 1/6th Scale HE-111
ORIGINAL: ProfLooney
well I got all the parts made gonna take a break rest of today let my head clear then tomorrow will remate on axis and test everything out so today I may just relax and set everything up for the DO-335 Gear. Like said once I get both gear drawn up I can work on the plans and make sure the framing is all done around the gear
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well I got all the parts made gonna take a break rest of today let my head clear then tomorrow will remate on axis and test everything out so today I may just relax and set everything up for the DO-335 Gear. Like said once I get both gear drawn up I can work on the plans and make sure the framing is all done around the gear
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Lookin good tho....
#170
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well teh trapese at the sides have tabs welded to the outside with little holes and the crosswires overlap each other. not like the holes drilled in them like you had so Ifigured for ease of production to leave the holes drilled and Ijust made the crosspiece. Istill got different things to do Iwas just looking at different options. like i said right now my brain is fried on that thing so im gonna let my head clear and look at it from a fresh clear head tomorrow
#172
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Well I did a quick placement of the gear on the fuse and also redid the nacelles so they are in the correct place now. On the front view looks like I will have to move the gear a little to the left but I need to do some minor adjustments first to the nacelles as I have them floating in place and I need to reloft them in the correct fixt positions. this is purely for my person preferences as I want anyone using the 3D drawings to be able to just mate top front and right planes and have everything pop precisely where it is supposed to go. the entire retract assembly wont be that way in the full plane assy because it will have to be manually moved around until it is properly located. However the landing gear assy is set up in proper relations so that if it was disassembled it could be put right back where it is supposed to be by mating top right and front planes
#174
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hey sorry guys been staying at my sons house the last couple days babysitting grandsons while boy and wife went on anniversary trip. so tomorrow be back on the heinkel and hopefully start slicing it up into parts.