scale corsair, zirollit or meister?
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scale corsair, zirollit or meister?
Check out the pictures, I think they say it all. The meister corsair has a larger wingspan then the zirollit corsair. yet the cowls are the same diameter, but the zirolli cowl is longer? Hmmm, I think zirolli wins this battle! the meister is obviously built to fly, not be scale. The gray one is the meister, the yellow is zirolli.
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Yes, you are right, it does look larger. Actually it is very close to the same diameter of the mesiter cowl. The rollover edge on the front is deeper too on the zirolli. I just find it funny how to "identical" models can have such different proportions. Having both of them, I plan to build the meister and sell it, build the zirolli, and keep it!
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The taper on the Meister looks more scale to me. The Ziroli abruptly goes from straight to what looks like a constant radius whereas the Meister has a more complex shape that looks more more scale.
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Chad, I would be interested to know if you have flown both of them. Since I am building both, I would love to hear your opinion of which you feel is better for whatever reason. The Zirolli seems to have a much more authentic shape overall in the wings and flying surfaces then the meister. I have not yet compared either to a 3 view yet. So far, I have been working on the meister and do not like the construction method for the fuse. In order to build a straight and true structure, You need experience, patience, and creativity to keep an eye on the progress. I am not pleased with the relation of the wing saddle to the stab incidence. The method is not very precise and requires close attention. We will see what I have to say when I get to the Zirolli, right?
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Bigstew, yes I had thought of doing a birdcage corsair. I may do so on the zirolli model. I figure I can use the canopy I got to get started with the basic shape for the lower section, then build it from there. I have never done a custom canopy so it could be a lot of fun. wish me luck!!
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That's interesting. I had heard the Zirolli was the most accurate. I am new to scale stuff. I have built sport scale for a long time though. what it is the best way to evaluate a models accuracy? I know a 3 view helps but when looking at the plane, I would think it is difficult to relate the two different size images to each other. I guess measuring would be the best method, right?
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It can be a real challenge to determine what is the most accurate data for a given plane. I went down the rabbit hole in the case of the Corsair in trying to find the most accurate drawings of the F4U-1, F4U-1A. I've gathered most of the books, 3-views, and RC plans that are available on the Corsair and have found that no two match. This means that at best, only one of the published drawings are correct. I've also taken measurements from 3 different full size Corsairs, did a little volunteer work on a restoration of a Goodyear FG-1D, and also purchased the 18 roll set of factory drawings from the National Air and Space Museum archives. Based on all this research, I believe the most accurate outline of an RC kit is the BT F4U-1A, and the most accurate drawing I've found is in the paint guide that is included in the new Tamiya 1/32 scale F4U-1 Birdcage. A long term project I am currently working on is to produce an accurate set of drawings of the F4U-1 and 1A. One thing that I should point out in terms of evaluation of the BT plans and the Tamiya drawings is that I only compared outlines, and not fuselage cross-sections. The Tamiya drawings do not include cross-sections.
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Wow, that's quite a mouthful! It sounds like you made quite an effort to get it right I appreciate all the information. let us know when you get your drawings done. I might be interested in buying a set from you!
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"The Tamiya drawings do not include cross-sections."
Sure they do. You just have to know how to access them.
You glue the fuselage halves together, cut them at the bulkhead location, and then use that cross section like a rubber stamp. Violo!!! bulkheads.
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Sure they do. You just have to know how to access them.
You glue the fuselage halves together, cut them at the bulkhead location, and then use that cross section like a rubber stamp. Violo!!! bulkheads.
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From what I have seen they are both great flying models, but they are both off a little bit from scale. The thing that bothers me the most about the Ziroli is the cowl shape. It should be shorter and have a gradual curve on the front as stated above. The Meister cowl has a better shape but seems too short. A guy on RCScalebuilder modified a Meister cowl and used it on his Ziroli model. On mine, I shortened the Ziroli cowl and backfilled the inside lip with epoxy/filler and sanded down the radius on the outside to a more elliptical shape. It's not quite right but it looks a little better.
I think the Ziroli one has more accurate airfoils on the wings and tail.
The Meister one would probably be easier to build.
The Brian Taylor model is definitely the most accurate.
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I think the Ziroli one has more accurate airfoils on the wings and tail.
The Meister one would probably be easier to build.
The Brian Taylor model is definitely the most accurate.
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Check out the pictures, I think they say it all. The meister corsair has a larger wingspan then the zirollit corsair. yet the cowls are the same diameter, but the zirolli cowl is longer? Hmmm, I think zirolli wins this battle! the meister is obviously built to fly, not be scale. The gray one is the meister, the yellow is zirolli.
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For me the one with the best outline even though it's an Arf is the H9 60cc corsair.
It could really be turned into a nice scale subject if you wanted to strip it of it's Ultracote covering and due a total transformation on it.
That is what i'm planning on doing to mine when i get around to working on it.
It could really be turned into a nice scale subject if you wanted to strip it of it's Ultracote covering and due a total transformation on it.
That is what i'm planning on doing to mine when i get around to working on it.