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Old 12-05-2003, 07:23 AM
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Hello.
Anyone knows this kit?
What is your oppinion about it? I have a Saito 91 that I can use. Is it OK? What are the dimensiones and weight of this plane? How is the overall qualities and defects of this plane?
If anyone that has this kit or knows it that can help me or send some pics I would be greatly appreciated.
Any help I can get would be great.

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Old 12-06-2003, 12:43 AM
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Dany:

Another thread about the Tomahawk that might be interesting:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/Pipe...1320870/tm.htm

And if your Tomahawk ends up as nice as your Cessna you will have a beautiful airplane.

Further, if you want an on-board starter NOW is the time to get it.

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Old 12-06-2003, 02:08 AM
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Try www.airsailmodels.co.nz/
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Old 12-06-2003, 05:12 AM
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Hi there
One of my club mates has built this plane and it looks and flies well. I can see about getting some photos/details if you wish. I have contacted airsail a number of times in the past and found them to be most helpful. I have a construction article somewhere that if I can locate I could scan if that would help.
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Old 12-07-2003, 05:43 PM
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Hi everyone.
First of all thanks a lot for your help. William Robison, thanks for your idea and your kind comment, and if I decide to build it I think I will put an onboard-starter as you said!
Steve, all the help I can get I will appreciate, so if you can do that for me it would be great!
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Old 12-07-2003, 11:17 PM
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I built their chipmunk (RAF version) a couple of years back (still have it and fly regularly) and was very happy with the quality of the kit - I'd imagine that the tomahawk would be similar.
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Old 12-09-2003, 01:34 AM
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G'Day Daniel,
Attached a pic of my Airsail Tomahawk.
The building instructions said a T.T. 54 4C was used in the prototypes so I fitted one, but it really needed more power, long ground roll off closely mown grass.
The nose gear is not that far ahead of the mains so I had to reduce the nosewheel steering quite a bit to avoid it being twitchy on ground handling.
Looks very nice in flight, handles well.
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Old 12-09-2003, 09:19 PM
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Glitch,

Looks like you did an excellent job on that one! Was the kit easy to build? Any problems?

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Old 12-10-2003, 04:38 AM
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I built the kit a couple of years ago. A 91 would be far far too big. I fitted a TT54 and it was plenty though I fly off smooth tarmac, but on the other hand mine was way overweight with nav lights and strobes and landing lights and extra battery, full scale details like overlapping panels and thousands of rivets and so on, and I used 4 wing servos to drive the srurfaces direct instead of 2 servos with pushrods and bellcranks.

It's a very good kit, nice flyer, as all Airsail kits are. It has a slight tendency to fishtail at low amplitude, and the small triangle made by the undercarriage being close together can make it a bit jittery on landing if the nose starts bouncing. Flare out can be slow to react to elevator at full flap so I found it best to land on half flap, or if using full flap do a very shallow approach with more power to minimise the attitude change at the flare.

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G'Day Daniel,
Mine was underpowered with a T.T.54 4C.
I fitted a Saito 72, now flies OK.
Another one at our field flies very nicely with a 90 4C.
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Old 12-10-2003, 09:07 AM
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Thanks a lot.
I love your plane, Bill. That´s a beautiful one.
If anyone has more pics, I will love to see them.

Thanks: Dany
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Old 12-28-2003, 05:27 PM
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Hi Danny, I have been building the Airsail Tomahawk for about two weeks.
I have two 52 FS one in my Bristol and the other in the Skyshark Dauntless.
The only spare engine I have is a Laser 80 FS, so I am fitting it. The extra weight will bring the balance right ( I hope ). Will post construction pictures if you are building one.

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Old 12-29-2003, 07:16 AM
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Hello Fred.
Thanks a lot for the pic.
I really appreciate if you continue posting them as you build the kit.

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Old 01-01-2004, 04:14 AM
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Hi Daniel, more pictures.

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Old 01-01-2004, 04:03 PM
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More pictures.

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Old 01-01-2004, 06:26 PM
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Hi Fred.
Very nice, this seems to be a very good plane. And it is beautifull.
Please keep sending pics.

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Old 01-05-2004, 07:56 AM
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Work on the cockpit.
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Fitting the Laser 80 in.

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Old 01-10-2004, 09:22 AM
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Hello again Fred.
Please keep sending pics, I am really enjoying them.
What are the specs, such as horsepower, of your engine?
What should be the final weight of your plane?

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Hi Maia, the engine size is 13.1 cc a bit large for a model of this size. Most reviews I have read on this kit they have had to put weight in the nose to get the CG correct, so a larger engine will bring the balance up correct ( plus this was the ony spare engine I had). I am aiming for about 8lbs, I will be covering it in glass cloth and painting it.

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Old 01-16-2004, 12:15 PM
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Detail on cockpit.

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Fred, that last photo of the model mag in the cockpit really made me chuckle. Many years ago I did my full-size PPL on the Tomahawk, on my Navigation Flight Test the examiner spent much of the flight up past Birmingham reading his model mag.

I am amazed at the size of engines you are putting in, my Airsail Tomahawk came out very heavy but flies fine on a TT54. However it does have a ton of lead bolted to the front of the engine bearers so I guess you might as well carry a bigger engine than useless lead.

The instrument panel supplied by Airsail is only black and white whereas modern instruments are in colour. I printed the panel from MS flightsim's Cessna, cut out the instruments and glued them over the instrument on the Airsail panel.

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Old 01-23-2004, 10:28 AM
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Hello again Fred.
How is your piper tomahawk now?
Send some more pics if you have.

Best regards:
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Lates Pictures.

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Old 02-01-2004, 08:45 AM
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Hello Fred.
Wonderfull model you have there. Very beautifull.
Please keep posting new pics.

Thanks a lot:
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