Byron P-51 Mustang
12-03-2007, 10:10 PM
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RE: Byron P-51 Mustang
I have a byrons p-51 original I bought it at my local hobby shop it is to just about paint ready.I am curious about (wayne22 comment about it being way off scale) can you go into detail about what is off it would be greatly appreciated as I to was looking forward to this being my first scale masters type project.
12-03-2007, 11:14 PM
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RE: Byron P-51 Mustang
oooohhhhhh...this will be from memory, but the stab is the wrong shape, the cockpit and canopy are too far back on the fuselage and the lower cowling shape is off. There is other stuff, but I can't recall it at the moment.
Don't get me wrong, it is one fantastic looking airplane especially with that big 4 bladed prop, and it flies fantastically and realistically. It just won't do well under the scrutiny of a Static Judge. Still you can enter in fun (open) scale and wow them with some fantastic flying...!
Don't get me wrong, it is one fantastic looking airplane especially with that big 4 bladed prop, and it flies fantastically and realistically. It just won't do well under the scrutiny of a Static Judge. Still you can enter in fun (open) scale and wow them with some fantastic flying...!
12-04-2007, 11:31 AM
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RE: Byron P-51 Mustang
Hey BLKmerlin, Who are you? I'm from E.Wenatchee too. Did you buy the Byron P-51 from Gene? I was seriously considering purchasing that plane. Oh, well I have one of my own now. It isn't as complete as yours and needs alot of parts that I will order from Iron bay. Let's get together and discuss this. You can PM me at any time and from there I'll give you my Email and Phone Number.
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12-05-2007, 11:49 PM
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Glad to see this magnificent bird still taking flight! I found my kit in a similar fashion. The kit was new, in the box with all the accessories. 20 some years after manufacture I've gotten close to finishing it!
Here it is right now. . .
Here it is right now. . .
12-06-2007, 02:13 AM
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Is that yours after finishing it, Kram51? If so, nice job. I am going to do mine in the Quicksilver scheme plus a bit of my own pizzaz!!!!
12-09-2007, 11:50 PM
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The DA50 and DL50 are a lot smaller than the Quadra...No doubt a new mounting plate would have to be machined...but the power and realiability might make a project like this worthwhile in the end......
12-11-2007, 10:14 PM
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Is that yours after finishing it, Kram51?
Keep the 'Stang alive I say! No one else has ever made a workable system for scale prop drives. At least not one that has lasted. Byron did this so many years ago and its amazing with all the advances in engine/motors, props, carbon fiber building techniques, etc. that no one has followed in the Byron footsteps!!
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12-12-2007, 10:58 AM
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Yes, Kram51, Keep this plane alive. Keep this thread alive too. I still have to build mine and I am not going to get the original landing gear set from Iron bay untill after January. It is going to cost me over 400 dollars. Also I will have an exhaust system built for it through Kelso productions. It will cost 400 dollars too. The paint I will use for it is from Alsa corporation and it is chrome. I will paint mine in the Quicksilver scheme with a flair of my own. I will also put a better cockpit kit in it. I do want to keep the weight down but I also want it to look good. Are these planes usually tail heavy after completion? If so, I will re-work where the radio gear and air can goes.
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12-12-2007, 03:43 PM
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NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE BALANCE WITH THE ORIG. KITS, THE BAL. COULD BE ACHIVED BY JUST MOVING THE BATTERY PACK. ACTUALLY IF YOU COMPARE THE BYRON MUSTANG TO THE TOP-FLITE OR THE PICA IT IS MORE SCALE. THE TOP-FLITE AND PICA HAD FLAT SIDES WHERE AS THE BYRON FOLLOWS THE CURVATURE A LOT BETTER. THE TAIL CAN BE CHANGED A LITTLE TO MAKE IT MORE SCALE BUT THEN AGAIN STILL BETTER THEN TOP-FLITE OR PICA. ACTUALLY TODAY THE ONLY LARGE MUSTANGS THAT HAVE A BETTER SCALE OUTLINE ARE AERO-TEC, ZIROLI OR THE COMPOSIT. HERE ARE A FEW PICTURES OF MY OLD BYRON, I'AM ABOUT TO REFINSH IT FOR THE 3RD TIME, STILLS FLYS GREAT. I ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE NEWER KITS WITH THE 2 PIECE WING THAT I'AM GOING TO BUILD SOON AND MAKE IT SOME WHAT COMPETETIVE. FIND OUT WHAT ENG. IS IN YOURS IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENC. ALSO YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO TO LARGE ON THE ENG. THE BLADES WON'T TAKE IT THEY WILL BEND AND ALSO THE REDUCTION UNIT WAS NOT MADE FOR TO MUCH POWER ANYTHING FROM A QUAD 50 ON UP WILL REQUIRE BEEFING UP THE DRIVE UNIT. ANY QUES. JUST ASK
THANKS BOB
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12-12-2007, 09:11 PM
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Really nice plane, Bob. I wish that mine was that complete. Are you using a starter on your plane? I noticed the wear on the spinner. What starter do you use?
Unfortunately, I think that the motor I have with mine is a Quad 35. I wish that it was a 45. The paperwork that came with my plane suggests that. The 50 wasn't even available when my plane was made. The numbers on the bottom of the engine say 81 so it was made in 1981 I think. I have alot of work to do. I do not think that it will be done by May. That is my goal though.
Does anyone have any video or know where any video is on this plane running and flying? I have searched every nook and cranny on the web for that and only found one video on this and it was good but the guy that posted it drowned out all of the sound of the plane and engine with music. What a bummer!!!!!! Good video but music at wrong timing on this subject is not really that good.
Unfortunately, I think that the motor I have with mine is a Quad 35. I wish that it was a 45. The paperwork that came with my plane suggests that. The 50 wasn't even available when my plane was made. The numbers on the bottom of the engine say 81 so it was made in 1981 I think. I have alot of work to do. I do not think that it will be done by May. That is my goal though.
Does anyone have any video or know where any video is on this plane running and flying? I have searched every nook and cranny on the web for that and only found one video on this and it was good but the guy that posted it drowned out all of the sound of the plane and engine with music. What a bummer!!!!!! Good video but music at wrong timing on this subject is not really that good.
12-12-2007, 09:37 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=702NfHmP6-c
Here you go. You asked, I deliver. . . There is another thread in the Warbirds section about the Byron
Mustang....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=4091988&key=
Here you go. You asked, I deliver. . . There is another thread in the Warbirds section about the Byron
Mustang....
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=4091988&key=
12-12-2007, 09:47 PM
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HEY JEFF I DO USE A STARTER , I USE THE MEGATRON, I HAVE BOTH THE LARGE MEGATRON AND A SLIGHTLT SMALLER ONE ON A BELT DRIVE. YOU NEED A GOOD HOT BATTERY TO START THEM ONE LITTLE NOTE IS TO CHOKE THE ENG. REAL GOOD THEY NEED TO BE REAL WET AND EVEN THEN SOMETIMES I HAVE TO HIT THE PROP AS I'AM USING THE STARTER BUT IT WORKS. SEE IF YOU CAN LOCATE A QUDRA 40 OR 42 AND SWITCH THE 35 OUT. ONE WAY OF TELLING AT LEAST IF IT IS A QAD. 40 IT WILL HAVE ONLY 1 RING, THE QUAD 42 AND 35 HAVE 2 RINGS. AND ALSO GET THE CHROME SELEVES AND THE UP & DOWN PISTONS FROM IRON BAY. THE CHROME SELVES WILL MAKE THE STRUTS WORK A LOT BETTER. YOU SHOUD BE ABLE TO FIND A QUAD 40 OR 42 ON RC UNIVERSE. IT IS A GREAT PLANE JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO IT RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUES. LET ME KNOW.
12-12-2007, 10:15 PM
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Thanks alot, Kram51!!!! You don't know how long I've been waiting to see a video like that. It went into my archives. I really don't want to take the engine out of my plane to find out what it is. But, it looks like I will have to. What are chrome seleves? do you mean sleeves? are they on the landing gear? I don't think that I understand what you mean.
Yes, I will take my time on this one. I don't like having or flying incomplete or ugly finished planes, I am really picky about that. That really relates to what I do for a living.
I have consulted with Kelso products on a new exhaust system for my bird and He said that it will give that quadra a real throaty roar. It will have 6 working exhaust ports sticking out of both sides and very scale like. I can't wait. He said that he probably won't be able to get to it untill next spring. Also, Iron bay cannot get me the parts for the landing gear untill after January. That is ok because it will make me plan better on this project.
Hell, I might be too scared to fly it by then!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I will take my time on this one. I don't like having or flying incomplete or ugly finished planes, I am really picky about that. That really relates to what I do for a living.
I have consulted with Kelso products on a new exhaust system for my bird and He said that it will give that quadra a real throaty roar. It will have 6 working exhaust ports sticking out of both sides and very scale like. I can't wait. He said that he probably won't be able to get to it untill next spring. Also, Iron bay cannot get me the parts for the landing gear untill after January. That is ok because it will make me plan better on this project.
Hell, I might be too scared to fly it by then!!!!!!!!!
12-13-2007, 06:33 AM
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RE: Byron P-51 Mustang
Hi to all,
I am very curious what the gear ratio the Byron reduction has for your P51
Also what 4-bladed prop size it takes at what rpm, with the quadra 42
Anyone?
Wonderfull project!
Greetings, Ralf
I am very curious what the gear ratio the Byron reduction has for your P51
Also what 4-bladed prop size it takes at what rpm, with the quadra 42
Anyone?
Wonderfull project!
Greetings, Ralf
12-13-2007, 07:51 AM
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THE CHROME SLEEVES SLIP OVER THE BOTTOM PLASTIC STRUT SO RHAT IT SLIDES EASIER UP AND DOWN ON THE MAIL STRUT. I THINK THE RPM WITH THE QUADRA 40 SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 2800 TO 3000 AND IT IS A 24/ 12 OR 24/14 PROP AND THE RATIO IS 2/12 TO 1 KEEP THE QUES. COMMING.
THANKS BOB
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12-13-2007, 10:32 AM
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RE: Byron P-51 Mustang
Ratio is 2.5 to 1. the chrome sleeves are for the landing gear strut as mentioned. The gear itself is actually all plastic. I can make copies of the instruction book if you don't have it. The book shows where those things go.
