1/3 Scale Nieuport 11
05-22-2014, 04:24 AM
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I've been working on the N11 for a few days and here's a pic of the framed up fuselage. I have the engine mounted. I'm running a Toni Clarke reduction off a G38 swinging a Menz 32-18 prop. This plane is pretty straight forward to build so far. I did opt for a straight walled fuse as per the Nieto (sp?) drawings. It just made the building a bit easier. May not win any scale contests, but that's not what this plane is for. Just want a nice weekend flyer and a good dawn patrol plane as well. The quick build aspect is just the icing on the cake. Thanks Art.
Martin
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05-22-2014, 11:02 AM
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Also Martin, if you want to "compliment the designer" you only put your insignia on one side! LOL!
Bada-bing! Tishhhhh!..........don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out!
HPA
Bada-bing! Tishhhhh!..........don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out!
HPA
11-16-2014, 03:26 PM
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Hey HPA, Art,
I just got back from Barry's and here's the N11 so far. Oh and Paul, it is on both sides. Happy Hooligan Italian N-11. May not get it in the air this year, the weather just turned pretty bad.
Martin
I just got back from Barry's and here's the N11 so far. Oh and Paul, it is on both sides. Happy Hooligan Italian N-11. May not get it in the air this year, the weather just turned pretty bad.
Martin
11-16-2014, 07:56 PM
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Martin
I like your choice of color scheme. She's looking pretty good.
Hey - guess what !?
I have my N-11 well on the way to recovery......the cowl is straightened (almost good as new) .......the Lewis gun is repaired........all the wings are repaired, covered and stitched.............the rudder is repaired, covering patched and painted........the rear cabane has been replaced......the front struts are bolted up (although they will be replaced with new ones) and the left side wings have been installed and the rigging seems to be secure. Sill to come is repairing the landing gear and mounting blocks........replacing the bottom hatches and the cowl mount ring and repair/replace the firewall. Then trouble shoot the engine and try to find and repair the dummy engine.
I won't be able to fly mine this year either - I should have done all this last year
Cheers,
Art
I like your choice of color scheme. She's looking pretty good.
Hey - guess what !?
I have my N-11 well on the way to recovery......the cowl is straightened (almost good as new) .......the Lewis gun is repaired........all the wings are repaired, covered and stitched.............the rudder is repaired, covering patched and painted........the rear cabane has been replaced......the front struts are bolted up (although they will be replaced with new ones) and the left side wings have been installed and the rigging seems to be secure. Sill to come is repairing the landing gear and mounting blocks........replacing the bottom hatches and the cowl mount ring and repair/replace the firewall. Then trouble shoot the engine and try to find and repair the dummy engine.
I won't be able to fly mine this year either - I should have done all this last year
Cheers,
Art
05-22-2015, 09:25 PM
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Art,
Long time with no posts. Here and your 1/2 scale.
Going to maiden my 1/3 scale n11. Not all the way done (are they ever), but quite fly able. Should be fun.
I looked at my first posts on this thread, they were in May of 2014. One year for this build.
Anyway, looking forward to the first flight.
Cheers,
Martin
Long time with no posts. Here and your 1/2 scale.
Going to maiden my 1/3 scale n11. Not all the way done (are they ever), but quite fly able. Should be fun.
I looked at my first posts on this thread, they were in May of 2014. One year for this build.
Anyway, looking forward to the first flight.
Cheers,
Martin
05-27-2015, 12:09 PM
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I did the maiden last Saturday. Beautiful day. The only problem I had was the same one Barry had in that it kept wanting to climb. I'll try the stick under the leading edge of the horiz. stab. That should do the trick. Engine/ reduction/ scale prop all worked well.
Martin
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05-28-2015, 09:20 AM
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Art,
I have a video, unfortunately I was the only one at the field on Saturday so I just stuck my phone in the fence and hoped for the best. I should've taken one of my kids for the maiden video, but they don't usually like to sit there for very long. Oh well. Here's a couple of pics.
Martin
I have a video, unfortunately I was the only one at the field on Saturday so I just stuck my phone in the fence and hoped for the best. I should've taken one of my kids for the maiden video, but they don't usually like to sit there for very long. Oh well. Here's a couple of pics.
Martin
05-28-2015, 11:26 AM
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Really nice looking model, Martin.
Putting some positive incidence into the stab will help for sure. But with all that power you have up front (G38 w/ prop drive and that very large prop), a better fix is to bring both wings much closer to zero degrees incidence and then add the positive in the stab to fine tune it. A more nose heavy model also helped mitigate this problem. I think I ended up with a balance point farther forward than what is shown on the plans, although it was very flyable at the CG location.shown on the plans.
On the proto- type and a direct drive 39cc Kioritz, all the positive wing incidence was just about right. But as the power went up - a G62 and then a 74cc twin (Zenoah) so did the tendency to climb as power was added. I put in a noticeable amount of down thrust and that tamed most of the climb with power problem. Maybe when I rehab my N-11 and repair all the crash damage I will try to zero out most of the positive wing incidence.
I will most certainly use all this data to set up my half scale N-ll this summer.
Cheers,
Art
Putting some positive incidence into the stab will help for sure. But with all that power you have up front (G38 w/ prop drive and that very large prop), a better fix is to bring both wings much closer to zero degrees incidence and then add the positive in the stab to fine tune it. A more nose heavy model also helped mitigate this problem. I think I ended up with a balance point farther forward than what is shown on the plans, although it was very flyable at the CG location.shown on the plans.
On the proto- type and a direct drive 39cc Kioritz, all the positive wing incidence was just about right. But as the power went up - a G62 and then a 74cc twin (Zenoah) so did the tendency to climb as power was added. I put in a noticeable amount of down thrust and that tamed most of the climb with power problem. Maybe when I rehab my N-11 and repair all the crash damage I will try to zero out most of the positive wing incidence.
I will most certainly use all this data to set up my half scale N-ll this summer.
Cheers,
Art
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05-28-2015, 11:41 AM
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You should have taped your camera to your forehead ! or a hat.... hahahah
I am waiting for some footage, can't wait to see it in the air. If I was there we would be watching on board footage as well
What did you think of starting the reduction? I have found mine starts much better with the kill switch in the RUN position ! My shoulder still hurts ! Took me a while to recall the throttle needs to be at about 3/4 full as well. Next time I hope to start it without needing shoulder therapy
I am waiting for some footage, can't wait to see it in the air. If I was there we would be watching on board footage as well
What did you think of starting the reduction? I have found mine starts much better with the kill switch in the RUN position ! My shoulder still hurts ! Took me a while to recall the throttle needs to be at about 3/4 full as well. Next time I hope to start it without needing shoulder therapy
05-28-2015, 06:36 PM
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Once I figurd out NOT to bring it up on compression before the flip it was a piece of cake. I start against the back side of the compression and go on through with the flip. Once it's primed I'd say maybe five or six flips and it's running. Mine starts at idle without a problem. It seemed to have plenty of power and I haven't leaned any from the first run yet.
I should've taken the go pro and used a helmet cam, but all I had was the phone and a fence. If I can figure out how to post a movie on here I'll post what I have.
I should've taken the go pro and used a helmet cam, but all I had was the phone and a fence. If I can figure out how to post a movie on here I'll post what I have.
05-28-2015, 08:00 PM
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Do you have the magneto engine or electronic? I was actually told the magneto was better ... don't recall why.. But I have never got mine to start on a low throttle setting. of course even at half throttle its about 1400 RPM...
My engine came off this plane ! I am NOT JOKING ! hahahahahahah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV0ZcVbM82k
My engine came off this plane ! I am NOT JOKING ! hahahahahahah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV0ZcVbM82k
05-29-2015, 04:34 AM
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Art,
I have a video, unfortunately I was the only one at the field on Saturday so I just stuck my phone in the fence and hoped for the best. I should've taken one of my kids for the maiden video, but they don't usually like to sit there for very long. Oh well. Here's a couple of pics.
Martin
I have a video, unfortunately I was the only one at the field on Saturday so I just stuck my phone in the fence and hoped for the best. I should've taken one of my kids for the maiden video, but they don't usually like to sit there for very long. Oh well. Here's a couple of pics.
Martin
05-29-2015, 05:50 PM
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Steve,
That's our local club field in Columbus Indiana. About 5 minutes east of Columbus. Typical Saturday morning, not a soul there. I was there from 9 am until 2:30 and didn't see anyone. Most of the guys are at home polishing their ARF's. Don't want to fly them and chance scratching them you know.
We fly on the old abandoned land fill in Petersville. About 60 or so acres of flat land. Our runway is 75' x 500'. We are getting ready to install another runway that'll be a fabric one for the smaller electrics. Should be nice.
Don't forget to come down to the Fireman's Cheerfund flyin. Great charity that helps get some Christmas presents to local children who would otherwise go without.
I'm the CD this year.
Martin
That's our local club field in Columbus Indiana. About 5 minutes east of Columbus. Typical Saturday morning, not a soul there. I was there from 9 am until 2:30 and didn't see anyone. Most of the guys are at home polishing their ARF's. Don't want to fly them and chance scratching them you know.
We fly on the old abandoned land fill in Petersville. About 60 or so acres of flat land. Our runway is 75' x 500'. We are getting ready to install another runway that'll be a fabric one for the smaller electrics. Should be nice.
Don't forget to come down to the Fireman's Cheerfund flyin. Great charity that helps get some Christmas presents to local children who would otherwise go without.
I'm the CD this year.
Martin
05-29-2015, 06:08 PM
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Martin,
Funny stuff, our club is the same. We have the most inactive club in the state.
I've flown at your field several times but guess it's been a while, cause I sure didn't remember it looking like that. And have been to Your Fireman Cheerfund Flyin. Always a good time. I will try and be there this year.
I grew up in Newbern, another 2 miles East of the land fill. In fact, I have a personal connection with that landfill. It is resting place to about 30 of my old controline models. Dad disposed of them there many years ago, after I had moved out.
Good looking Nieuport, glad it flies great.
steve
Funny stuff, our club is the same. We have the most inactive club in the state.
I've flown at your field several times but guess it's been a while, cause I sure didn't remember it looking like that. And have been to Your Fireman Cheerfund Flyin. Always a good time. I will try and be there this year.
I grew up in Newbern, another 2 miles East of the land fill. In fact, I have a personal connection with that landfill. It is resting place to about 30 of my old controline models. Dad disposed of them there many years ago, after I had moved out.
Good looking Nieuport, glad it flies great.
steve
06-22-2015, 04:42 PM
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Hey Martin
This past weekend I did the final rigging on my repaired N-11. That means all the repair work has been accomplished.......need to re-install the engine and tank, hook up the throttle, kill switch and battery - check out all the control hook ups and set up the radio - I sold the radio which had the N-11 program, so I will need to totally redo all the set ups.
Maybe we can get a flight of N-11s going at the ODP - yours, mine and Barry's.
Cheers,
Art
This past weekend I did the final rigging on my repaired N-11. That means all the repair work has been accomplished.......need to re-install the engine and tank, hook up the throttle, kill switch and battery - check out all the control hook ups and set up the radio - I sold the radio which had the N-11 program, so I will need to totally redo all the set ups.
Maybe we can get a flight of N-11s going at the ODP - yours, mine and Barry's.
Cheers,
Art
06-23-2015, 04:29 AM
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Martin,
Your engine run videos were pretty impressive! The throttle response was excellent!
Boy if Art can pull his "turtleass" in high gear and we have 3 Nieuport is the air!
You all know you are coming to "Fokker field"........right? LOL!
Good luck! your going to need it!
HPA
Your engine run videos were pretty impressive! The throttle response was excellent!
Boy if Art can pull his "turtleass" in high gear and we have 3 Nieuport is the air!
You all know you are coming to "Fokker field"........right? LOL!
Good luck! your going to need it!
HPA
06-27-2015, 05:34 AM
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Nice plane Martin, next time you're heading to the field, give me a call. I live only 2 minutes from our field! (& yes I should be out there more often, so give me the excuse please!)
-Greg
-Greg
Art,
I have a video, unfortunately I was the only one at the field on Saturday so I just stuck my phone in the fence and hoped for the best. I should've taken one of my kids for the maiden video, but they don't usually like to sit there for very long. Oh well. Here's a couple of pics.
Martin
I have a video, unfortunately I was the only one at the field on Saturday so I just stuck my phone in the fence and hoped for the best. I should've taken one of my kids for the maiden video, but they don't usually like to sit there for very long. Oh well. Here's a couple of pics.
Martin