RC Scale Aircraft Discuss rc scale aircraft here (for giant scale see category above)

Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Reply

Old 07-30-2008, 10:09 PM
  #1  
GSNut
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (8)
 
GSNut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Thornton, CO
Posts: 710
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Anybody had any building or flight time on the Super Fli built from the M.A.N. Plans at the rcstore ?
I have a buddy that has ordered the plans and is looking for a fiber glass cowl and wheel pants for it also.
A local suggestion was that a " Cermark Pitts Cowl just may be Close ! "

This may have to move to Vintage tho I don't know for sure if it would go there either..

As:

Super Fli
Description:This contest-winning design of Phil Kraft's full-scale airplane won the first contest it entered. The package includes engineering drawings of the full-scale airplane for documentation. Builds up as out of balsa, foam and ply.
Additional Information: WS: 60 in.; L: 48.5 in.; Engine: .60 2 stroke to 1.20; 4 stroke.

Full Scale History:

"The Super Fli was a scaled up manned version of a model airplane that had been developed by Mr. Phil Kraft, a former world champion model aircraft builder and R/C Pilot. The Super-Fli was built by Mr. Kraft with help from Mr. Paul White and first flew in December 1974. Engine was a 200 hp Lycoming AIO-360-A1D. Base of the Aircraft Color is White with Red Trim.
The registration was cancelled on March 19, 1990."

Thanks for anything you may have on this one...

Cheers
GSNUT
Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Db84525.jpg
Views:	81
Size:	27.6 KB
ID:	1001089  
GSNut is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 08:01 AM
  #2  
TFF
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 4,183
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I have the Concept Models version which is 40 size in the box waiting for me. Have not thought about it for a while. I have some gold stickered Kraft radios and one is going to make it in to it as a tribute. I have not built it because I need the color docs and I thought the stripes were more orange than red. To me the plane has always looked like a single wing Pitts Special.
TFF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 09:24 AM
  #3  
GSNut
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (8)
 
GSNut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Thornton, CO
Posts: 710
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

TFF.........

I'm not much help, but I did find a site with a few pictures of RC Models of the N5PK.
And the Red does have an orange tinge to it.

http://www.angliamc.fsnet.co.uk/bow15.htm

Cheers

GSNUT



Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Ay74804.jpg
Views:	99
Size:	16.0 KB
ID:	1001265   Click image for larger version

Name:	Ez81564.jpg
Views:	58
Size:	9.9 KB
ID:	1001266   Click image for larger version

Name:	Di10510.jpg
Views:	100
Size:	11.6 KB
ID:	1001267  
GSNut is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
  #4  
Walt Thyng
My Feedback: (9)
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: St. Charles, IL
Posts: 1,855
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Check with Stan at fiberglass specialties for a cowl and canopy.
Walt
Walt Thyng is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 11:14 AM
  #5  
GSNut
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (8)
 
GSNut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Thornton, CO
Posts: 710
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Thanks Walt !

I will give them a call, will keep my fingers crossed...

I've got 479-359-2429 for a phone number there.

Thanks Again

Cheers

GSNUT
GSNut is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 05:38 PM
  #6  
tlrascal
My Feedback: (56)
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Lavaca, AR
Posts: 167
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I'll tell you about someone who was an absolute nut on the early Phil Kraft airplanes and built nothing but them for several of his earlier years of flying, Dave Brown. They were just good honest flying airplanes. One of the problems back then was ailerons. They either had bellcranks or torque rods and neither was a real good setup but now with the common practice being a servo for each aileron it makes them a pretty good flying airplane. I am currently flying a kwik Fli Mk I.
tlrascal is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2008, 07:23 PM
  #7  
GSNut
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (8)
 
GSNut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Thornton, CO
Posts: 710
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

tlrascal

Thanks for the information, I met Dave a few years ago..... and I think my rc buddy has his phone nr.
Unless things have changed lately and I haven't heard. Will forward the information on to him then he can do or give DB a call.

Interesting about the belcranks and torque rods... I have a different install on the belcranks and don't have a problem with them. I thread the Goldberg # 420 belcrank with a 4 - 40 tap and then use a 4 - 40 bolt along with the mounting plate a nut to fasten the bolt to the plate, then screw the nylon crank on to the bolt to the nessary height. Some times with a long surface I even put in two cranks on the same push/pull rod. No more slop or ail. flutter !!

On the torque rods heheh.... well that is why Chysler/Ford and etc. used them for Auto Suspension.... way back then.

Lately I have mounted the servo intergal of the wing and have the nice short control rods..... no problems here on those except I dislike the servo hanging out on a nice scale aircraft.... If I can get the servo inside the the wing I go out of my way to do so.

Thanks Again !

Cheers

GSNUT
GSNut is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2008, 07:52 AM
  #8  
TFF
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 4,183
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I cut out a Kwik Fli I last year but have been too lazy to glue it together. Have K 61, K wheels, tank, motor mount, and radio to go in it.
TFF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2008, 08:43 PM
  #9  
GSNut
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (8)
 
GSNut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Thornton, CO
Posts: 710
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

More Input on the N5PK Super Fli

The plans from MAN showed up about two weeks ago... and included a nice sized set of three views for the full size.

Available here...
www.rcstore.com

Under Plans, Planes and then Scale.......

4th page I believe is where it is at in the right column third plane up from the bottom of the page ?



Notes on the R/C Version Plans:

Wings are of foam as is the turtle deck !

Wing airfoil on the three view show a modified laminar section as is mentioned in the text that accompanies the ordered plan. However is not evident on the model plans. The models airfoil is similar to the VK Cherokee as to thickness ! (about 18% I believe)..

The text mentioned also that the ailerons were also thicker than the wing on the 1 to 1 version but on the model this was not evident ! This looked odd on the three views (IMHO) but then I am not Phil Kraft either.
Am sure he had a reason.

Cowl is of the Pitts S1s style (and has no lower chin cooler air inlet) nor the larger upper cheeks as on the higher powered S1a or the S2a Pitts that followed in the production time line.

The wheel pants and landing gear is the standard Pitts type and should give no problem to an experienced wire bender.

The present thoughts from this area are to blow the plans up to a size ( about a 78 inch Wing Span and over all length of 63.05 ) that would allow the use of the cowl, canopy and wheel pants and landing gear from the GP 1/3rd Size Pitts that they had available a short time past. This should allow the use of a 1.50 four stroke or and up size to a gasser of a 3.7 which maybe a bit of overkill for some. I'm thinking of a Saito 180 maybe.

The good news is that Tower still has the parts available at this time !

These links may not work on your browser... ?
So will just put the part nrs. in bold

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXAUR9&P=SM
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXAUR7&P=SM
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXAUS0&P=SM
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXAUR8&P=SM

Or for the pure-ist the canopy from the GP 1/3rd Eagle could be cut shorter for the Super Fli ....
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXEXJ0&P=SM


Hope this helps... I've ordered the cowl, canopy and wheel pants for mine this last week end.
Will be doing some drawings and a built up wing and fuse (no foam for me) some time this winter am thinking ! Will probably use the 1/3rd Pilot Pitts Plans with some modifications...... as per the firewall and lg mount and etc. Will have to see ?!

BTW: The GP 1/3rd Pitts Parts Fit the 1/3rd Pilot Pitts to a T !!
I have pics of my own Pilot Pitts that show this...!!
__________________
Cheers !
GSNUT
GSNut is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2008, 09:30 AM
  #10  
TFF
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 4,183
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

There was a kit of one at about 90in wingspan years ago, but I cant remember who made it. Also I was looking on flying (*) giants website and one of the guys avatar was him standing next to the Super Fli. I guess I will have to join to find out what he knows.
TFF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2008, 03:14 PM
  #11  
OldScaleGuy
 
OldScaleGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Seymour, IN
Posts: 2,850
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

A friend of mine in the club i belong to has one. He enlarged the MAN plans to 72" (as I recall). He has a ST .91 in it. I flew it just last weekend and it flies great. It has a high sink rate at low throttle but other than that there are no issues with it at all. I can try to get further details if you are interested.
OldScaleGuy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2008, 05:05 PM
  #12  
GSNut
Thread Starter
My Feedback: (8)
 
GSNut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Thornton, CO
Posts: 710
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??


ORIGINAL: OldScaleGuy

I can try to get further details if you are interested.
Sure am, and always interested in learning. Guess I can say " I don't know it all ! "

Is his with the foam wing and turtle deck or did he do a built up and etc... ?


Thanks Old Scale Guy !!
GSNut is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2009, 12:06 AM
  #13  
Thumb Thumb
Junior Member
My Feedback: (2)
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 14
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

White and Orange. Take a look at these.

Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version

Name:	Db83685.jpg
Views:	64
Size:	2.81 MB
ID:	1163019   Click image for larger version

Name:	Bg93600.jpg
Views:	89
Size:	675.1 KB
ID:	1163021   Click image for larger version

Name:	Pj18574.jpg
Views:	76
Size:	687.2 KB
ID:	1163022   Click image for larger version

Name:	Rc41917.jpg
Views:	63
Size:	63.4 KB
ID:	1163023   Click image for larger version

Name:	Nd53417.jpg
Views:	70
Size:	56.6 KB
ID:	1163024  
Attached Images  
Thumb Thumb is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2009, 08:05 AM
  #14  
TFF
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 4,183
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I sure like the simple early scheme. Was the bottom paint of the wing an inverse of the top?
TFF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2009, 08:37 AM
  #15  
Free Bird
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Farmington, CT
Posts: 2,231
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I would think that the bottom trim scheme is the same as the top. Look closely at the bottom of the stab in the above picture.

FB
Free Bird is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2009, 10:33 AM
  #16  
summerwind
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: fresno, CA
Posts: 3,968
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Dad built one back when the plans were first available.
used a Webra Blackhead .60.....................was an awesome flyer.
great looking plane in the air.
summerwind is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 01:04 AM
  #17  
rcjake
 
rcjake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tonopah, AZ
Posts: 120
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

TFF,

The bottom of the wing was painted opposite of the top side.

Jake
rcjake is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 09:23 AM
  #18  
TFF
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 4,183
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Thanks, It is always one of those planes that interest me.
TFF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 09:39 AM
  #19  
rcjake
 
rcjake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Tonopah, AZ
Posts: 120
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

The Super Fli is one of my three all time favorite aircraft along with the Fokker DR-I and P-40 Kittyhawk. If you are interested, you can get a 1/4 scale kit and plans here.

http://www.kitcutters.com/Nex/NexSuperFli.htm

I have been thinking lately of ordering the kit & plans and building an electric version of the Super Fli. Maybe I will...

Smooth Landings,
Jake
FEAR CD

BTW, many, many years ago, I built 2 Super Fli radio control airplane kits. One was by Concept models (40 size) and the other by Bridi (60 size).
rcjake is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2009, 09:57 PM
  #20  
TFF
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 4,183
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I have a NIB Concept version and would like to build a bigger one. Here is a full scale thread on rcu with some other pics too http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_80...tm.htm#8029639
TFF is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2009, 03:13 PM
  #21  
drdoom
My Feedback: (9)
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Belton , MO
Posts: 3,126
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

I had that kit back in the early 80's...
drdoom is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-17-2009, 03:00 AM
  #22  
proptop
My Feedback: (8)
 
proptop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Rome, NY
Posts: 7,022
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

A little cross over here
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8029639/tm.htm
proptop is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2009, 07:42 PM
  #23  
FIGHTERACEX
Member
My Feedback: (6)
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Waller, TX
Posts: 84
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default RE: Phill Kraft's Super Fli ??

Anyone have a copy of the scale drawings that were in MAN many years ago ?
FIGHTERACEX is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2019, 07:03 AM
  #24  
mradcliff
My Feedback: (3)
 
mradcliff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: St. Marys, WV
Posts: 113
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Does anyone have the building instruction manual for the Bridi Super Fli kit? I do not need the plans just a copy of the build manual.
Thanks.
Mark
mradcliff is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2019, 09:03 AM
  #25  
dennis
My Feedback: (90)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Minersville, PA
Posts: 1,866
Gallery
My Gallery
Models
My Models
Ratings
My Feedback
Default

Originally Posted by mradclKwick Fli wasiff View Post
Does anyone have the building instruction manual for the Bridi Super Fli kit? I do not need the plans just a copy of the build manual.
Thanks.
Mark
In 1969 they usually did not have build manuals. I have the plans and the MAN issue that the model was featured in. It is a straight forward build with no real unusual building issues or building skills required and even the wing and tank hatch are held on with rubber bands, As I noted a fairly simplistic build. I'm building one now but converted to electric and with bolt down wings and a structure that is lightened from the original. Instead of an Enya 60 Mk3 .Mine uses a 32 electric motor and will probably surpass the original power plant. I built an original version in 1970 and look forward to flying the new lighten and electrified version..
Hint use 2 servos for ailerons and save your self from the old sloppy method shown on the plans. Mine is using a foam cored wing . I aim to have it minimum one pound lighter than the original version ,easily done with lighter contest wood, reduced thickness of the wood, omission of parts needed for the vibrating 60 Ex lighter firewall, smaller servos and receiver and film covering should do the job.
Dennis.
dennis is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service