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    Best flying biplanes?

    What are the best flying and acrobatic WWI and non warbird biplanes? I've heard that many (most?) WWI biplanes (like war birds in general) do not really have that great of flying characteristics. I've heard that many are either not all that aerobatic, or they are hard to fly, or they are squirrely on the ground. I know the Ultimates are supposed to be nice all around, but what about some others, including WWI bipes? I've heard the Pitts is extremely capable aerobatically, but it is also very squirrely.

    I've just been bitten by the biplane bug and I'm reasarching what I might be interested in, but I want planes that are capable and also land easily and handle well on the ground. I assembling a Goldberg Ultimate ARF right now as my first bipe, but I also build from kits, and I'm willing to try building from plans.

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    I'm bettin on the Sig Ultimate profile Bipe.

    I flew mine for about 10 months and about 4 gallons of fuel through it. Had a blast, especially loved the windy dayz
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    Best flying biplanes?

    Yes Pitts are squirrelly on the ground, but in the air they shine. THe Ultimate is a good plane. Take a look at scratch building a Starduster or Skybolt, they are very good planes. The Starduster has these neat eliptical wings, which means a lot of work, but a very beautiful plane. I know there are plans out there somewhere for both of them.

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    BIPES

    I have a fleet of bipes. I like the sig hog bipe the best.Builds nice handles on the ground & flyes real good. I have a fox 60 on mine.
    Now other pepole say I am crazy but a lanier rebel is a great plane ok on the ground but strange to build if you have never built a lanier. A small plane i have had for years is an Ace All Star. out of production but usually can be found on e-bay.
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    Best flying biplanes?

    Kat:
    All RCers gots to have at least one bipe to fly. As Gastronom
    stated my Sig profile Ulti. bipe is one of the most stable in the
    wind. My other plane is an old Sig Steen Skybolt which is now
    only sold by GP as the Super Skybolt. The decision I have to make
    is whether I get the Balsa USA Neuport 28 or the pica Waco.
    But first I have to finish the 1/3 scale Christen Eagle.

    Since any of the bipes have a glide ratio akin to a 10# brick, it's
    a must that you have about 2" elevator deflection with expo. The
    bi-planes are harder to get a good landing flare than the Caps or
    Extra style planes. Too many good bipes out there to make for
    an easy decision.
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    Best flying biplanes?

    Katman: There are a few good flying WWI bipes. The Fokker DVII ,The Sopwith Pup,The Bristol Scout D,The Se5a & The Albatros all exhibit good flight characteristics, I have flown all except the Albatros, but I have seen it fly. I am currently bulding a 76" Albatros DIII.
    In sport planes, The Sig Hog bipe, Cunningham's Lazy Ace, The Aeromaster(in any size) and my personal favorite, The Phaeton bipe all fly well.
    These are by no means the only good flying bipes, just the ones I have experience with.
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    Best flying biplanes?

    The Pica Waco's are excellent in either size. A Pitts is great IF you go larger than a 60 size. (they are a lot tamer on the ground). The Aeromaster, Lazyace, Phaeton as stated above are all excellent flying bipes.
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    Best flying biplanes?

    How about a Staggerwing Beech? The Old Royal kit is available from that company that bought them out I have one finished but not flown yet
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    Best flying biplanes?

    Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. I'm basically interested in only "larger" biplanes, in the range of 55 inch wing span and above.

    I'm still unsure about which WWI biplanes are the most aerobatic. I'm relatively sure that some, if not many of them, are not extremely aerobatic. I don't want to invest all the necessary time, energy and money and end up with something that looks great but flies like a trainer, or has some extremely bad habits, like very poor ground handeling or whatever.

    Thanks again!

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    Best flying biplanes?

    How about a Bucker Jungmann? I have the Goldberg one. 64" w/s and it flies very docile at slow flight ot crank it up and it will do any aerobatic manuever you want. Excellent knife edge. Too bad Goldberg doesn't kit it anymore but i'm sure you can find one on ebay or the classifieds here.

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    Best flying biplanes?

    Goldberg (or any other) Ultimate tracks like an arrow on the runway or in the air. Aerobatics are unlimited, yet throttle her back and anyone who has soloed can handle it in the air. Aeromasters are awsome for a sport bipe. Fine handling air and ground. Next off the bench for me is a Midwest Super Stinker...Should be awesome but a bit pricey with all the servos (8, 7 big) , big motor and other stuff.
    If you do consider a 40 size think about the GeeBee products "Dreamer". Awesome airobatics in pocket-bipe size!

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    Bi Planes

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    the little toot is 1/4 scale by MAN is 57" .60 ...maybe .75 engine

    The starduster RCM # 1080 is 72" ....... ST2000 engine size

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    Super Stinker/Ultimate ARF

    I have a friend who has flown both my Midwest Super Stinker and his CG Ultimate ARF....he says the ARF flys much better! And I hear the Ultimate kit from CG is even better!!!!

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    Best flying biplanes?

    You guys are completely forgetting about the greatest Bi-plane kit ever to hit the market....THE ANDREWS AEROMASTER ! The bird was so perfect that Great Planes bought Lou Andrew out. Then they tried to improve on it, and well.....it's no longer kitted!!

    You can find complete kits on E-bay, sometimes, but be warned, they are expensive, but well worth the money!!!!
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    Bi-plane

    The GB Ultimate is the best flying Bipe I have flown, it's one of the only airplane kits that I have bought and built multiple times (4). I'm building the fourth one right now, and I'm just as excited to get it in the air as I was on the first one.

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    4 Biplanes

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    The GB Ultimate is the best flying Bipe I have flown, it's one of the only airplane kits that I have bought and built multiple times (4).

    May I ask why this is the 4th one what happened to the others
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    Many Ultimates

    I sold one when I got out of the hobby for a bit (sold everything, was going to war and had no space to store all my stuff). And traded two to people who made me offers on trades that I couldn't refuse (one for a Byron BD-5 and the other for a Pica Duelists with Webra .50's and pipes on it). I hope to keep the current one a little longer (I'm not a big fan of GB plywood kits, but it's worth the hassle for the end result).

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    GB Ultimate

    bash-ace

    Boy do I know what thats like need to get rid of about 25 kits etc. as I have a 90" starduster coming.


    This GB Ultimate ---- Where or what site can I see this aircraft

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    Ultimate

    Here's a nice pic of one...
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    GB Ultimate Site Location / Purchase

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    Nice I like it ...... ......
    This GB Ultimate ---- Where or what site can I see this aircraft
    to purchase one

    The best picture would be in the bones


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    WWI

    Kat

    This is a nice WWI kit

    Saw it at WRAMS show and is laser cut met Tom nice person to talk to

    Albatros D.III kit / Laser cut
    http://www.funaero.com/albatrosd3.htm

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    WWI _ laser cut

    WWI (post # 21)

    Kat

    This is a nice WWI kit

    Saw it at WRAMS show and is laser cut met Tom nice person to talk to

    Albatros D.III kit / Laser cut
    http://www.funaero.com/albatrosd3.htm

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    Ultimate

    Here's a pic of the GB Ultimate, the other pic is from the Cactus Aviation site, it's like a 40% scale Ultimate. Check this list to find a dealer near you, I don't think you can order GB kits online anymore.

    GOLDBERG MODELS - NEW JERSEY DEALERS
    America's Hobby Center North Bergen NJ (201) 662-8500
    Carl's' Hobby Center Randolph NJ (973) 366-4300
    Creek Hobbies Mt. Laurel NJ (856) 722-0489
    Hammonton Hobies Hammonton NJ (609) 704-1555
    Hobby Hut Pompton Plaines NJ (973) 835-2077
    Jackson Hobby Shop Jackson NJ (732) 364-3334
    Jerry's Hobby Center Greenbrook NJ (732) 752-6030
    Jetstream Hobbies Blairstown NJ (908) 496-8072
    Ridgefield Hobby Ridgefield NJ (201) 943-2636
    US Hobby Moonachie NJ (201) 460-0544
    Z & Z Hobbies Mercerville NJ (609) 586-2282
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    Confused

    bash-ace

    What size is the aircraft in the picture you showed me / the size you built ( below )

    Where did you purchase these if they are no longer available on line ( or off line ) who manufactured these kits that you built and can you give me the specifications of the aircraft that you have built ( 4 ) were they all the same size and same mfg. / or purchased at the same company .

    The GB Ultimate is the best flying Bipe I have flown, it's one of the only airplane kits that I have bought and built multiple times (4). I'm building the fourth one right now, and I'm just as excited to get it in the air as I was on the first one.


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    Thanks JR

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    Ultimate

    If you go to "goldbergmodels.com", thay have all the specs there, all the ones that I have built have been from Goldberg, the red one in the pic is a Cactus Aviation kit "cactusaviation.com", here are it's specs...

    42% "Ultimate Specifications:

    Wingspan: 92"
    Weight: 44 lbs.
    Suggested Power: 7.0 to 9.6 c.i.
    Price: $1545.00

    I plan on getting one of these some day (I need to butter up Santa).


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