TA 152H Meister Scale Project Grun 4
04-24-2015, 01:17 PM
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Flitemetal would be a good option for bare metal items such as the bottom of the wing. On the model I am doing, V30-U1 prototype, it has a bare metal section in the fuselage. That extension area in front of the tail. I used flitemetal here. Also around my canopy frame etc. I plan to "burn through" my colors to expose some bare metal that way. I will also be painting some areas silver before the color, and burning through to that for weathering.
04-24-2015, 01:24 PM
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It is great we all are getting our TA 152 done this year. Fliteskin has his, Invertmast with the blown up Andersen, I have a 1/5th Andersen, and yours in 1/4 scale.
05-01-2015, 03:53 PM
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Looking good guys!
Re. The bare metal wing. Other than Green 9, i have seen nor read any documentation to suggest that any part of the bottom of the wing of Ta152H's were to be left bare. Ive got 4 books on the 152 and have at one point read all of them cover to cover.
Since i hope to have my prototype all composite model ready for 12o'clock high in Sept/Oct, i need to figure this stuff out as i dont have much time considering i have had to redesign the entire wing and build/detail/mold it still.
Re. The bare metal wing. Other than Green 9, i have seen nor read any documentation to suggest that any part of the bottom of the wing of Ta152H's were to be left bare. Ive got 4 books on the 152 and have at one point read all of them cover to cover.
Since i hope to have my prototype all composite model ready for 12o'clock high in Sept/Oct, i need to figure this stuff out as i dont have much time considering i have had to redesign the entire wing and build/detail/mold it still.
05-01-2015, 04:11 PM
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Well Thomas ..Todd and I kicked this around a lot. It was a mutual decision to go with something different than the typical RLM 76 finish every other guy does. I wanted this to be unique and really showcase Todds master ability at painting at this level. One can argue that at this stage of the war paint is and was scarce and this is well documented in numerous sources. So with some artistic discretion we decided on this.
05-01-2015, 04:15 PM
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Well Thomas ..Todd and I kicked this around a lot. It was a mutual decision to go with something different than the typical RLM 76 finish every other guy does. I wanted this to be unique and really showcase Todds master ability at painting at this level. One can argue that at this stage of the war paint is and was scarce and this is well documented in numerous sources. So with some artistic discretion we decided on this.
I won't be going to Top Gun although I think this would hold its own at any level for pro am or team entry. I like to do things different and push the limits of Luftwaffe birds ( for example the first guy to go electric twin on a 40 pound ME262 eight years ago) and one of the first to go 1/4 scale on a TA152 so charting new territory once again.
I won't be going to Top Gun although I think this would hold its own at any level for pro am or team entry. I like to do things different and push the limits of Luftwaffe birds ( for example the first guy to go electric twin on a 40 pound ME262 eight years ago) and one of the first to go 1/4 scale on a TA152 so charting new territory once again.
05-01-2015, 04:15 PM
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So Invert, Are you going to do a hollow molded wing wing like we see with the high performance pylon racers, and gliders? Many of those molds I have seen were CNC machined out of aluminum. Quite a task I would imagine.
I would have to assume that whether the panels were painted, or left bare metal, the lines and rivet details would remain the same. It would just be up to the modeler to decide how they wanted to finish it. Considering the majority of the documentation shows it painted, any competition aircraft would most likely opt for the RLM 76 finish.
I would have to assume that whether the panels were painted, or left bare metal, the lines and rivet details would remain the same. It would just be up to the modeler to decide how they wanted to finish it. Considering the majority of the documentation shows it painted, any competition aircraft would most likely opt for the RLM 76 finish.
05-01-2015, 04:25 PM
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So Invert, Are you going to do a hollow molded wing wing like we see with the high performance pylon racers, and gliders? Many of those molds I have seen were CNC machined out of aluminum. Quite a task I would imagine.
I would have to assume that whether the panels were painted, or left bare metal, the lines and rivet details would remain the same. It would just be up to the modeler to decide how they wanted to finish it. Considering the majority of the documentation shows it painted, any competition aircraft would most likely opt for the RLM 76 finish.
I would have to assume that whether the panels were painted, or left bare metal, the lines and rivet details would remain the same. It would just be up to the modeler to decide how they wanted to finish it. Considering the majority of the documentation shows it painted, any competition aircraft would most likely opt for the RLM 76 finish.
Yep,
it'll be hollow molded, except all the detail will be in the molds just like how i have done with all the fuselage parts. The main reason for the wing redesign was to push the wing tube aft 2" to make room for my scale landing gear and to put the Te kink in the proper position. As built, the Te kink is 23" to far inboard at my scale.
05-01-2015, 04:28 PM
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Well Thomas ..Todd and I kicked this around a lot. It was a mutual decision to go with something different than the typical RLM 76 finish every other guy does. I wanted this to be unique and really showcase Todds master ability at painting at this level. One can argue that at this stage of the war paint is and was scarce and this is well documented in numerous sources. So with some artistic discretion we decided on this.
I won't be going to Top Gun although I think this would hold its own at any level for pro am or team entry. I like to do things different and push the limits of Luftwaffe birds ( for example the first guy to go electric twin on a 40 pound ME262 eight years ago) and one of the first to go 1/4 scale on a TA152 so charting new territory once again.
I won't be going to Top Gun although I think this would hold its own at any level for pro am or team entry. I like to do things different and push the limits of Luftwaffe birds ( for example the first guy to go electric twin on a 40 pound ME262 eight years ago) and one of the first to go 1/4 scale on a TA152 so charting new territory once again.
This being electric will be very impressive! Mine personally will be powered by a Kolm IL135 with a gear reduction and a custom 3 bladed Siedel props scale VS9 prop.
05-01-2015, 04:49 PM
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Thomas your a master at what you do. From your Horten to the TA152 it's true art.
I am curious if your parts will be interchangeable with mine? Like a canopy or cowel? It mine are based off Meister scale parts would yours be plug and play?
I am curious if your parts will be interchangeable with mine? Like a canopy or cowel? It mine are based off Meister scale parts would yours be plug and play?
05-01-2015, 07:05 PM
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Pandi,
thanks man! I really try hard to make each subseqeunt model better than the previous. I have aspirations to do another (#3) HO-229 but fully composite and utilizing a different layup to try and shave 9-12lbs off the model. I believe doing that would make it much nicer and easier to fly (flying was easy, takeoffs were a pain in the butt @30lbs).
not sureon my parts.. My cowl is 11 1/4 or 1/2" in diameter and about 8-9" long, the top where the fixed vent panel is drawn from factory drawings and 100% accurate, this may be the only area that doesnt match up to your fuse.
My canopy on the other hand is completely different than anything on the market currently. I used factory FW TA152H drawings for the profile and cross sections of it. That said, it is the same forward size/shape as a FW190 and the rear fairing is the same as a 190, so they may fit..
everything else, probably not, then again i dont think youd want composite wings/stabs for yours
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05-01-2015, 07:14 PM
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Very true on the "updated" part. Haha
ive changed the vertical fin, rudder, stabs, elevators, wing (only the airfoil is unchanged), gun hood, cowling, belly pan, wing fillets; supercharger/cockpi scoop, canopy, canopy fairing and a whole bunch more.
Whenever i start with someone elses plans i always end up correcting a Lot of scale deficiencies (in andersons defense, alot of the documentation i have wasnt around and/or readily available when he drew up the original plans). The only thing that wasnt changed much is the wing airfoil and fuselage cross sections/outline (they are nearly spot on), but once its all composite, its basically going to be "my" model as there will really be very little in common with enlarged plans.
and then there is the completely scale landing gear struts that has all the up lock flanges, gear door bosses, etc cnc machined out of a solid block of aluminum.
05-02-2015, 03:18 PM
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One of the nice things about the TA 152 over the FW 190 variants is the scale location of the aileron linkage. It is in a better position from a mechanical/geometry stand point. Being that the TA 152/s is located at the center of the surface, and the FW 190 is right there on the very end.
05-02-2015, 05:04 PM
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Ok so here is some stencils going down. In another effort to keep this unique twist on Grun 4 Todd is laying down some overspray effects on the letters.
05-02-2015, 05:32 PM
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true, and I dig the tagged look, and thats why I, and you like
obscure schemes.
we could just finish Green 4 here, send it to East LA for a weekend and
let them tag it down there, might be interesting :-)
obscure schemes.
we could just finish Green 4 here, send it to East LA for a weekend and
let them tag it down there, might be interesting :-)