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Old 08-14-2010, 08:51 PM
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Default TA 152H Meister Scale Project Grun 4

And so it begins....David Pearson is taking on THE monster project. Converting the Meister Scale D9 kit into a TA152H model. Using Two D9 kits, original Meister plans, Ty plan and kit mods and a ton of creative liberty the goal is to come out with a 144 inch wingspan TA built around a 100CC engine (TBD). Sierra Gear for the D9

Scheme will be GRUN 4 of JG301, the only operational sqd to fly the TA152 in May of 1945.
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First order of business...

1. Hand cut the missing ribs needed to complete the monstrously long wing panels.
2. Hand cut the additional ribs that get doubled up.
3. Establish location of landing gear bays. I believe the TA-152 landing gear is spread out more than a D-9??? ... Todd... Can you verify???
4. Substitute balsa ribs for plywood if landing gear is moved out 1 bay.
5. Establish all additional modifications required to ribs to accommodate flaps, upsized rear spar, etc.
6. Establish additional stock material required for spars, sheeting, leading edges etc.
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Hope you didn't expect to build another D9 out of the extra short kit you gave me. LOL!! Made the new F2-A former and wing tongue doubler that gets shoved 4" inches ahead of the original F2. Did some lightening holes where I could and made the 6" firewall doublers.

The Meister-Scale D-9 has 2 optional firewall locations. I'm using the further back F1-A location to maximize our engine options like a DA-85.

I also cut out the cockpit deck for a scale cockpit that I'm sure Burley would love to do for you after tearing the crap out of your Viper. hehehe.

Had to see how the new prototype exhaust stack is going to look.
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Making proto-type exhaust stacks for the TA and D9.
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my docs show the D9 wheels at 3.5 meters center to center when down, locked and on the ground.

the TA152H shows the wheels at 3.954 meters center to center when down, locked and on the ground
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Thanks Burleyman... "It takes a village"
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Thanks Burleyman... ''It takes a village''
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Here's some of the best plastic I've seen on this subject. Great reference!
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awsume, those from the IPMS site?
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awsume, those from the IPMS site?
[link=http://www.hyperscale.com/]Hyperscale[/link] in the Articles and Galleries Section.
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One of the outstanding younger Luftwaffe pilots, Willi Reschke was one of the leading members of JG300 Wilde Sau flying the Fw190A in the 'Defence of the Reich'. Towards the latter months of the war he transferred to the Stabsschwarm of JG301, still flying the Fw190A. Awarded the Knight's Crossin April 1945, he was credited with 26 victories - all in the west - including 18 four engined bombers.




02/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-24 14 Ost N/GS-78: 6500m [W. Budapest] 10.29 Western Front
02/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-24 14 Ost N/GS-5: 6500m [W. Budapest] 10.25 Western Front
07/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-24 14 Ost N/CQ: 5000m [N. Pre├čburg] 11.55 Western Front
13/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 Neusiedler See 10.45 Western Front
14/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-24 Budapest 9.55 Western Front
18/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-24 Raum M├╝nchen 10.53 Western Front
18/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 P-51 Raum M├╝nchen 11.1 Western Front
19/07/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 Starnberger See: 7000m 9.4 Western Front
16/08/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 MU-3: 7000m [SE Kassel] 10 Western Front
20/08/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 S. Budapest 9.45 Western Front
20/08/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 S. Budapest 9.52 Western Front
22/08/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 14 Ost N/GP: 5000m 12.5 Western Front
24/08/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-24 UL 3-6 Neuhaus/B├Âhman 12.4 Western Front
29/08/1944 Uffz. Willi Reschke 1 JG 302 B-17 15 Ost S/UQ: 6500-7500m [Br├╝nn] 10.5 Western Front
21/11/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-17 Magdeburg 12.05 Western Front
26/11/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-24 GU-HU: 7500m [Hildesheim] 12.45 Western Front
17/12/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 P-51 Kassel 11.25 Western Front
17/12/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-24 Kassel 11.2 Western Front
24/12/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-17 Hannover 14.55 Western Front
24/12/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-17 Hannover 15.03 Western Front
31/12/1944 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-24 Hamburg 11.35 Western Front
01/01/1945 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 B-17 Gardelegen 12 Western Front
14/01/1945 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 P-47 Kyritz 12.55 Western Front
14/01/1945 Fw. Willi Reschke 9 JG 301 P-51 Mecklenburg 12.45 Western Front
14/04/1945 Ofw. Willi Reschke Stab JG 301 Tempest Ludwigslust 19.2 Western Front
24/04/1945 Ofw. Willi Reschke Stab JG 301 Jak-9 Berlin 8.48 Western Front
24/04/1945 Ofw. Willi Reschke Stab JG 301 Jak-9 Berlin 8.45 Western Front
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This aircraft is now beginning to get popular. I look forward to this build thread.
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Is it just me or is the LHS stuff getting expensive? I bought (3) 3/4" balsa triangles, a small piece of 1/8" plywood, and 1oz of CA to get me going and a 20 spot wouldn't cover it. WOW!!

Anyways... Here is a picture of Pandi's new $7 F4-A former and the beginning's of the B-1 Assembly. I will be using the 3/4" triangle stock to up size the normal 1/2" tri-stock for a more rounded bottom.
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That rainforest of Balsa I just ordered was not enough?
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So what brand of epoxy should I use for laminating balsa to balsa? Todd... Can you start a poll for us? [sm=confused.gif]
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as long as its 1/8" thick and weighs 6 pounds who cares
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That rainforest of Balsa I just ordered was not enough?
Dude... To turn a FW190-D9 into a TA-152 is going to take a serious supply of ExtenZe !!
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Some clarification. Loos flew Grun4....so this is the pilot.

Walter Loos was born on 11 April 1923 at Oppenheim in Rheinhessen. Following flying training he was sent to III./JG 3 in January 1944. He claimed his first aerial victory in the big aerial battle over Berlin on 6 March 1944 claiming a USAAF B-17 Herausschuss. Later he was transferred to IV. Sturmgruppe/JG 3. When Oberst Walter Dahl (129 victories, RK-EL) became Kommodore of JG 300 in July 1944, Loos joined with him to serve on the Geschwaderstab. On 29 September, Loos was awarded the Deutsches Kreuz in Gold. Loos was posted to undertake instructing duties with Erg├Ąnzungs-Jagdgruppe Ost in October 1944. He returned to combat duty with JG 301 where he was assigned to the Geschwaderstab. With this unit he flew the Focke-Wulf Ta 152 for the first time at Soltau-Hannover. He gained several successes over Russian fighters around Berlin flying the Ta-152 in the dying days of the war. On 20 April 1945, Walter Loos was awarded the Ritterkreuz for 36 victories.
Walter Loos flew 66 combat missions to achieve 38 confirmed victories and 8 unconfirmed. 30 enemy aircraft were claimed on the Western Front, 22 of them four-engined bombers. He himself was shot down nine times.
No Date Time A/c Type Unit Location / Comments
1. 6.3.1944 12:55 B-17 HSS 11./JG 3 N Gifhorn- Rathenow 7000 m
2. 8.3.1944 13:28 B-17 HSS 11./JG 3 Celle- Rathenow
3. 8.3.1944 13:31 B-17 HSS 11./JG 3 Celle- Rathenow
4. 8.4.1944 14:15 B-24 HSS 11./JG 3
5. 9.4.1944 12:10 B-24 HSS 11./JG 3
6. 11.4.1944 11:10 B-17 HSS 11./JG 3
7. 11.4.1944 11:15 B-17 11./JG 3
8. 22.4.1944 19:46 B-24 11./JG 3
9. 29.4.1944 11:20 B-17 11./JG 3
10. 8.5.1944 10:07 B-24 HSS 11./JG 3
11. 28.5.1944 14:20 B-17 HSS 4./JG 3
12. 29.5.1944 12:25 B-24 4./JG 3
13. 30.5.1944 11:15 B-24 4./JG 3
?. 29.8.1944 10:46 B-17 Stab JG 300 near Bylnice
35. 24.4.1945 - Yak-9 Stab JG 301 Berlin
36. 24.4.1945 - Yak-9 Stab JG 301 Berlin
37. 25.4.1945 - Yak-9 Stab JG 301 Berlin
38. 30.4.1945 - Yak-9 Stab JG 301 Berlin


Victories : 38
Awards : Knight`s Cross
Units : JG 3, JG 300, JG 301
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That's some really good stuff... I did a little research and found some mission summaries on this subject:

24. April 1945

Stab and II./ JG 301 took off at 0800. Their duty was to attack with the bombs and board weapons the Russian troops, situated near Zossen, South-East of Berlin. After some little time also I. and III. Gruppe started. Together about 70 planes were sent to this mission. Stab was made of one Rotte and one Kette. Rotte was made by Oblt. Stahl and Ofw. Reschke, in the Kette flew Ofw. Loos, Ofw. Keil and Ofw. Blum. Their duty was to protect the heaver Focke Wulfs during their attack. Over the Berlin turned the Kette to the North. Between K├Ânigs and Wusterhausen they observed some enemy fighters. Attacked them and recognized them as Yak-9s. Reschke, Who flew Ta 152 H-1 "Gr├╝n 9" W.Nr. 150168, shot down at 0845 and 1848 two of these planes in the area of Erkner. These were his last victories in the WWII. But during the pele-mele with Russian fighters he lost sight of Oblt. Stahl. Later he couldn┬┤t contacted him by the radio. Oblt. Stahl didn┬┤t returned to the base and is missing in action over Berlin. Another contact with Russian Yak-9s was made by the Rote of Stab JG 301. Ofw. Loos claimed two Yak-9s South of Berlin.
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Here is another...

30. April 1945

This was the last action of the JG 301 on Ta 152. Rests of the Geschwader attacked Russian troops in the Berlin area. Pilots on Ta 152 made once again the high cover for the FW 190s. According to Walter Loos Flugbuch, they took off at 1550. Loos flew that day on Ta 152 "4". And so, when Russian fighters attacked the formation, German pilots attacked them too and were also successful. Ofw. Walter Loos shot down one Yak-9. It was his last victory during the WWII and fourth on Ta 152. Also Uffz. Willi Greiner from 12./JG 301 (flew Fw 190 A-9) shot down one Yak-9. These were the last claims of the JG 301 during the World War II. Walter Loos ended his flight No.876 with landing at 1655.
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6. May 1945

On this day the last meeting of any "Wilde Sau" unit with the enemy was made. Stab JG 301 pilots met British Spitfires Mk.XXII. No loss or victory on both sides was reported.
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Just making notes of all the D9 to a TA-152H modifications...

1. Wings are extended out approximately 2 feet each panel.
2. Wing ribs are now thicker at the root.
3. Landing gear is spread out a bit more.
4. Firewall gets pushed forward 4"
5. Wings are pushed forward 4"
6. Landing gear doors are slightly different.
7. New inner gear doors.
8. Fin get new ribs for the "Fat Tail"
9. Stabs will be a hair thicker to accommodate the high torque Ace Hobbies Digi's.

Funny... I was hoping the Rudder was going to be a stock build... Nope! Take a look of the TA-152/D9 overlay and you can clearly see that the rudder was slightly reduced. Probably because the tail surfaces are more effective when the distance between the wings and the tail is longer?

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More progress on the B-1 "Butcher Block" assembly ready for the up sized 3/4" triangle stock. One of my most used and valued tools in the shop is a dedicated 24"x 36" piece of particle board with sandpaper taped to it. When working with thick balsa sheet, it's critical to get a nice straight 90 degree edge for nice seamless joints. I also take advantage anytime I can to fill in the pin holes with hobby filler and sand out all the glue joints and seams. It's much easier to do it now while I can have the sheet on a flat table instead of on the airplane. Everything was sanded using my Mouse Sander and followed up using my T-bar.

Now excuse me while I take care of my "balsa boogies" [sm=lol.gif]
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Default RE: TA 152H Meister Scale Project Grun 4

The overlay of the TA/D9 is a great pic. Interesting to see them that way.
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