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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Deep - SLA stands for sealed lead acid. These are the heavy black rectangular box batteries you find in power backup devices, kid's motorized ride-on toys, etc. Some aren't designed for the rapid discharge that your 700-size motors will require, and I've read that using them this way shortens their life. There are a few out there that are labeled as high discharge rate, but I've never tried them. SLAs are all I've ever used because they're cheap and I have a bunch on hand already. I have yet to have any problems, but most of my experience using them is with the smaller 550 sized motors that had a low amp draw. I plan to switch over to NiMH, just need the cashola[].


    Steve - Harbor Models has a good onine catalog of running hardware, hard to find details etc.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    thanks i understand about the money i am getting these when i can afford it there 39.99 ea

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    I first used SLAs in my Dauntless to save money. Big mistake. Running the Grauptner 700BBs they appeared to go dead quite quickly. In fact they did not go dead but recovered after sitting for a while. I tried both the 7.5 and 5 ah size with same results. I went instead to 12v nimh with much better results. I found a good price on 12v 4200 mah ones on the bays so bought 4 and now run 2 in parallel per motor with good run time. Wish i hadn't spent the moneyon the sla s as they now just sit here and I do usethem with test leads to test new motors.I haven't actually timed the running time but know it is definately much longer. The Youtube Rich did of my boat on LISound shows how quickly the sla ones appeared to die. After that video was shot Rich ran the boat and after one pass we had to bring the boat in.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    So I just got back from St. Croix last night…It’s challenging transitioning from a tropical climate and straight into a North East Blizzard. Back to reality…My stay at St. Croix was fabulous. We spent 10 days there. Toward the end of my stay I was able to meet with a wonderful couple that owned and lived on the Dauntless for many years. It was truly great meeting them. It was great hearing all firsthand stories about this yacht. In the few hours we were together much information was conveyed about the Dauntless. We went over technical details and history about the yacht. I will be updating the history of the yacht to clear up any inconsistancies from her early years.

    Deepsky-Your yacht is looking fantastic man!! Congrats on a great job! I love the fact that you are using the blue canopies; it is a great tribute to the Marshall years!>>

    Kokaneezer- Welcome aboard!!! You have come to the right place for the Dauntless! Recently I set up another forum on the Dauntless on another site. That one is basically the condensed version of this forum. The RCUniverse forum is more established and there is more activity here but the one on RCGroups has the thick of the information in a few pages vs over 150 here. Here is that link: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1796983

    I can’t wait to see more of your build here.>>

    -Rich.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    just wondering what is your run time with 4 of these batterys

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless


    ORIGINAL: rblubaugh


    For the Astro's wait for our Rich

    The Astroflight motors I have in my boat are the Super Ferrite 25's. These motors are no longer in production which is a shame. These motors are power houses and are excellent motors. They are considered the ideal motor for the Dauntless. They are powerful, smooth and very quiet. Astroflight replaced the Super Ferrite 25's with Cobalt 25's which can be bought today. The drawback is that they are over $400 each but this is becomming the norm for high end motors these days.. I'm not sure if these are worth the price of admission because they are smaller than the S/F motors. I have not seen them run in a heavy scale boat so I have no comparison. For all I know they could be awesome.

    If you want the S/F motors set your e-bay settings to notify you when someone posts them for auction. Every so often they do come up for sale. Another way is to do regular searches in the classifieds in RCUniverse and RCGroups. They come up once in a while here to. These motors are high quality so it's not uncommon for them to be pricey but they are still a bargain compared to new Cobalts. I purchased mine brand new when they were still in production. I absolutely love these motors in the Dauntless!

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    OK captains, it's picture day...there is a lot to report here.

    First things first. Both my captain and engineer had a great trip to St. Croix. They rode around Sugar Bay in the Dumas tender and the Grumman dingy that I am close to completing. This was about 100' from where Dauntless sat for years. I didn't get to sail in Dauntless's footprint because it was in a bad spot. I would have to swim there and wouldn't be able to take these pics. The bottom was very muddy and I was sinking in it just taking these pics.

    During my meeting with former owners the tender came up. It turns out that it was flattened during the Hurricane Hugo storm and is no longer around. I also found out that the owner before them made a mistake on the name, it was not made by Grumman after all. There seems to have been two tenders on her over the years. The first one is unknown but the second one that we have partially seen in various pictures turned out to be a 1954 12' Alumacraft. So back to the drawing board. An Alumacraft will be built. I saw the brochure and have the specs. A special thank you to the former owners for this info!

    So here are the pics of Sugar Bay.

    -Rich.
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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Ok...here is another view of a sunken sailboat, some souvenier rocks, one will be kept onboard Dauntless and one huge hive of sorts. I thought of Apismelifera when I saw it so this one's for you buddy!

    The pic of the bushes only is looking toward where the Dauntless sat.

    -Rich.
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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Here we are folks...the Salt River Marina.

    Boat one reminds me so much of the Dumas Lord Nelson Tug...This boat is so darned cute... I also took some other good detailed shots in the event that one lands on my lap. Then off to a photo shoot of the captain and the tenders at the end of the marina. This was done because when the Dauntless was refloated by Jon he docked it here for a moment and took a couple pictures. So it was natural that I would do the same.

    Also are some pictures of some sunken wrecks. These were obviously high end yachts at one time..There is something to be said about them.

    -Rich.
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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    continued from above

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    I'll post more tomorrow...(Sunday)

    -R.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Rich these are great, thanks for posting them. What an experience that must have been. I guess it's a little more understandable how Dauntless could have sat degrading so long, with all those other once-proud vessels abandoned and half sunk in the same area. Suprising they haven't been removed after all this time, at least for the sake of tourism?

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    RICH 404
      YOUR PHOTO;S ARE REALLY GOOD PLEASE KEEP THEM COMING,                 WHAT A CHANGE TO GET BACK TO THE BLIZZARDS YOU HAVE NOW GOT      RUSSELLWEB

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Looks like Sugar Bay is the graveyard for boats! Obiously those are not all from the same time and some appear quite recent. Notice in one photo one partially above water with antennas. Surprising they are not made to salvage them as some appear to be a hazard to navigation. Many appear to not be wood and will lie there as eyesores for many years.

    Bill

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Deep Sky from my post.


    ORIGINAL: Sound Sailor

    I haven't actually timed the running time but know it is definately much longer.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless


    ORIGINAL: dauntlessfan

    Rich these are great, thanks for posting them. What an experience that must have been. I guess it's a little more understandable how Dauntless could have sat degrading so long, with all those other once-proud vessels abandoned and half sunk in the same area. Suprising they haven't been removed after all this time, at least for the sake of tourism?
    The tourism industry on the island is very weak because the government infrastructure is poor to say the least. The government is likely not that concerned with half sunk boats littering the bay. It is a shame because this is a U.S. island and I would think that it would be better suited for tourism and the like. Rather, they relied on a now defunct oil refinery and are now broke. Everyone on the island is suffering in some way. If the government got their act together and promoted tourism instead of welfare perhaps large corporations would invest in the pristine beaches and people would be more inclined to work if welfare wasn't an option. ok enough venting on the disapointing conditions there...

    The first few pics are with the Dauntless. The next bunch are mine without the Dauntless and the surrounding area. GPS was not working properly so I had to rely on these photos to find the location. I used not only the winding of the road, but landmarks such as trees, bushes, boats and how the hills and waterway was set up through my camera lens to find the spot for sure. The location where the Dauntless was in front of a hill where I stood. The road went back down just as you leave the spot in either direction so I was looking down at the water. This is also why in the pictures with the Dauntless they were taken from a higher elevation. Just 200' in either direction you would be at a closer elevation to the water. Because Dauntless was located in an inconvienient spot it could have been chosen to discourage looting. Soon I will go through my videos and post some on youtube.

    Well, here are those pics.

    -Rich.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    continued.. Here are more pictures at Sugar Bay. Down below in the water is a small engine/generator of sorts, I am not sure if it is Dauntless related but I'll post it anyway.

    The last picture is me driving back to the villa. As soon as I began leaving the Dauntless site I said a 'so long' to the Dauntless and suddenly it started drizzling rain on my windshield as if it shed a tear when I was leaving the site. It gave me goose bumps when this happened. Down the road it stopped and that was it...I had to take a picture of this moment..It was a bit spooky. (On this island driving is on the left side so this took a moment to get used to)

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Rich,

    Great pictures!  thanks.

    Bob


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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Great update and story Rich, thanks. Some of your pics are identical to those with the boat. Nice work! The rusty old engine block is neat too.

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    ORIGINAL: rblubaugh

    Rich,

    Great pictures! thanks.

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    ORIGINAL: dauntlessfan

    Great update and story Rich, thanks. Some of your pics are identical to those with the boat. Nice work! The rusty old engine block is neat too.
    Thanks guys!!

    -Rich.


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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Hi captains,

    When I went to St. Croix I set out to learn what happened to the tender that was on her. I did get answers to that and a whole lot more but let’s go over the tender. Over the years there were two tenders that were prominent on the Dauntless. I had no idea about two of them but now it makes so much sense. When I look at pictures there was no way of knowing what years they were taken so when it came to the tender there were always inconsistencies. Now it is easy to tell. I didn’t think that the tender would change. One owner Don told me that the tender was a Grumman, which makes good sense because it was the best one around at the time and it was aluminum construction which was fitting to D’s hull but he had the Alumacraft. After looking at the original photo of Dauntless without the shelter, there is a great aft view of it and it is also consistent with the 8 ½’ Grumman. It also fits within the length of the owner’s cabin. Also, looking at the crisp Rosenfeld photo that shows her at speed we can clearly see the round bow on it when we zoom in. So, in conclusion there was the Phil Rhodes designed Grumman on it.

    This all changed however which led to a lot of confusion. In 1954 the 8 1/2’ tender was replaced by a larger 12’ Alumacraft Model E tender. When looking at later color photos it conflicted with the Grumman tender shown in earlier ones. In the color pics the bow looked sharp and the stern was longer than the cabin roof. Knowing about old articles and some of the notes in the captain’s logs I know that she was shipped to Florida and the Virgin Islands annually. During some of those trips Mr. Rockefeller slept on the D’ and landed on beaches by tender when the islands were literally still ‘Virgin’ is many respects. These were the years when he bought tens of thousands of acres throughout the Caribbean and donated them for conservation during the 1950’s is no secret either.

    In conclusion the 81/2 footer was too cramped for beach landings and in a few years he changed it out for a bigger craft which turned out to be the Alumacraft.

    For your Dauntless there are now 3 choices for your tender. 1) The stock Dumas boat 2) the Grumman tender (1948-1954) 3) The larger Alumacraft tender (1954-1989).

    By making either of the two custom tenders and choosing some other details such as radar head, the shelter on/off, windshield and color scheme (blue or white hull) we can now model the Dauntless by year and have a nice representation. What a great way to distinguish your Dauntless from the next guy!

    Enclosed are the brochures to each boat. Both of them give good measurements so it is easy to take the information and convert them into scale and build a good tender.

    -Rich.

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    I'm forever buying 'stuff' for the Dauntless... The other day I orderd a decoration off of e-bay. It is a bronze coin the size of an old silver dollar for Laurance Rockefeller. It will be displayed either on the aft wall on the port side in the salon (over the seating area) or on one of the walls in the stateroom.

    In addition i'm looking to start a ships log on my Dauntless. This way each time she is used the date and a description of how and where she ran will be recorded. I can easily use the forums and youtube to look back on my posts starting when she was launched in the fall and fill in the details to her Christening on the Hudson. Then keep it current each time she touches water. I think this could be a fun little journal to have with the boat.

    -Rich.
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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Both great ideas Rich! I had a similar idea in that I recently found a large coin at a show I was going to put in my boat. But later realized it's more of a tribute to Laurence's grandfater, so I decided not to add it. That one you found is much more appropriate to the D's legacy!
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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Building my first Dauntless; a wood hull version. Using two graupner turbo 900 ferrites and would like to get some prop recommendations for direct drive. Prop shoppe preferred but will take all ideas.

    Thanks

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    RE: the unofficial home of the dumas dauntless

    Hey DF that's nice JD Rockefeller memorabilia there! Without him there would be no Dauntless...His money fueled all the families endeavors. I saw a coin like this a long time ago but it got away. Finally another one came up for sale.

    Hi Big woodie...Welcome aboard! The prop shops are fine....Go for 1 1/2" props..

    -Rich


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