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Old 12-01-2012, 01:18 PM
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Under TBU play the tank that the battle system rides in hardly matters at all - I could set my Sherman 105mm to Heavy and go toe to toe with a King Tiger or JS-2. All that matters is that it has a TBU with an IR emitter, hence registering and giving IR hits. All that stuff about two-part ammunition is going toward an onerous realism that takes fun away, rather than add fun to IR combat.


Probably not a factual statement. Let us know how that 9 hit Sherman concept works out for you at your next tank club or backyard rc tank meet.



If I couldn't get a Tamiya 90MM M36B TD to be accepted as a heavy in TBUplay, good luck with a pop gun TBU 105MMSherman.







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Old 12-01-2012, 01:38 PM
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by highlighting Jagdtiger. I'm purely talking about the gun, I'll disagree you can't separate the gun from the chassis, you don't say the 88 was pish because it was mounted in the xyz tank. I think what Scott was getting at is in terms
Of range accuracy penetration etc the 128mm is a better anti tank weapon.

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Me thinks you need to read what the man actually put. No reference to the combat effectiveness of the jagdtiger, just it's gun...which I think was used as an atg

(correct me if I'm wrong).

OK tomhugill, easily done: "the german 128mm in the jadgtiger was the best tank killinggunof ww2", not according to Otto Carius.

Can't really separate the chassis from the gun, into a "best category", they both work together as a system.

A powerful gun is useless if it can not get to and or stay in the fight.

And the post also addresses this statement, which appears to be designed to short change the effectiveness of the WWII JS-2, which played a bigger role than kinda a strumtiger:

"the 122mm was more of a bunker buster, I have always thought of the IS2 as a kinda strumtiger"

Past the historical WWII stuff, my interest is TBUplay and the JS-2 works for me, it looks good in ways the KV-1 doesn't, so I will save for the kit.

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Old 12-01-2012, 02:00 PM
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Yes, I was just talking about the gun, the jadgtiger was a road block, that is all.....but the IS2 was not really suited for tank killing ether. I do not know about you but I would not want to face tanks in something that could only get off 2 rounds per minute.

The electronics will be interesting inthe IS2 kit.....will it just be a kv1 setup?.....if so, it will have momentum built into the box. Momentum makes for a much harder tank to fight with...even more so with that great big telephone pole sticking out of the turret. I like the looks of the IS2 but if it has momentum in the electronics, I will most likely not be fighting with one.
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If this is the case see if you can swap the Dmd for the t-03 which either has less or no momentum! I'm sure there's a kind soul out there who would. Hell if you don't mind the shipping your welcome to one of mine
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:06 PM
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Agree with most of comments from both gentlemen, but still no way around the fact that tanks are judged by militaries around the world based on overall balance.

Superior firepower, good armor protection, and poor mobility, is not balance, hence there is no way the Jagdtiger gun can be judged a "best main gun".

Dosen't mean much of anything to separate out the parts (main gun) from AFV package and assign a "best main gun rating" if the AFV package isn't working well in combat, plus the Otto Carius comments say it all anyway.

Still, the JS-2 was successful for the role it played in WWII as a heavy tank and a tank designed to effectively counter Panthers and Tigers (FYI, German armor was about as slow as the JS-2 or slower and rate of fire was dismal when compared to modern armor).

FYI: 2 rounds a minute is all the WWII JS-2 needed if it wacked you just once with the first shot!

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Actually, been there, done that. When I get friends coming over, we mess around with having everyone battle on heavies, and if we want a fast game, everyone battles on light. Sometimes I battle my Panther as a light tank just for the extra challenge and rate of fire! Factually speaking, what tank it happens to be doesn't matter under TBU as its recognised according to its weight class setting.

I mean, you sound like you're in a club that insists Sherman-based chassie have to be medium and I guess even allowing a Pershing to be a heavy isn't universally accepted given the Army's own classification of it being a medium tank. Probably club-level games are a lot more serious stuff than my backyard bashing.
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Yes, I was just talking about the gun, the jadgtiger was a road block, that is all.....but the IS2 was not really suited for tank killing ether. I do not know about you but I would not want to face tanks in something that could only get off 2 rounds per minute.

The electronics will be interesting in the IS2 kit.....will it just be a kv1 setup?.....if so, it will have momentum built into the box. Momentum makes for a much harder tank to fight with...even more so with that great big telephone pole sticking out of the turret. I like the looks of the IS2 but if it has momentum in the electronics, I will most likely not be fighting with one.

Momentum to me takes the toyish nature out of these tanks. I have yet to see how severe the new Momentum is on the Tamiya's though, so I have no idea how hard it is to control. The DBC has mild momentum, just enough so you can't slam it into reverse and back away at light speed.
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Yes, speed and momentum should be controlled in IR Battles. That would make it more scale. I have seen videos of Tiger II's speeding away like a dragster. and the whole swing shot thing? Wouldn't happen in real life battle.
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Old 12-02-2012, 03:15 AM
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Agree with most of comments from both gentlemen, but still no way around the fact that tanks are judged by militaries around the world based on overall balance.
Cant argue with this sir, but that wasnt the point that was being made

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Superior firepower, good armor protection, and poor mobility, is not balance
Again I cant agree with you strongly enough. Jagdtiger had two out of the three and was woefully inadiquate at the third


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hence there is no way the Jagdtiger gun can be judged a "best main gun".

Dosen't mean much of anything to separate out the parts (main gun) from AFV package and assign a "best main gun rating" if the AFV package isn't working well in combat, plus the Otto Carius comments say it all anyway.
Lots of historians agree the 88 was an excellent gun, just because if was mounted in the king tiger which suffered mobility wise but to a lesser extent to the Jagdtiger doesnt change this, thats the point im trying to argue, the one which was made at the start. The rest is superfluous. Im not argueing with what your say, you make excellent points. Theyre just related to the combat efficiency of the Jagdtiger, not the effectiveness of its gun
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Does any one has any updates ? I am also interested in knowing what the price going to be .
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Not sure, Probably in the $700 range
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Default RE: 1/16 R/C Russian Heavy Tank JS-2 Model 1944 ChKZ Full-Option Kit

Japan Launch Date Confirmed: Feb 16 2013
Pricing :103,740yen (98,800yen without tax)
Item No: 56034

Packaged with 2.4Ghz radio system

[link]http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/56034js_2/index.htm[/link]
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:11 AM
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About £730 with radio, not too shabby! Will be looking forward to seeing this out in the eu
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Still waiting for prices from supplier and I still have not received a price yet - pre-orders will be available as soon as I get a price.
ETA is still March in the US. Tamiya saysthey willtake my pre-order, but why would I pre-order something without knowing how much it is
going to cost, and I certainly would not take a pre-order from a customer without them knowing the price. Tamiya at its finest!!!!!!

Hopefully will have good news shortly
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Japan Launch Date Confirmed: Feb 16 2013
Pricing :103,740yen (98,800yen without tax)
Item No: 56034

Packaged with 2.4Ghz radio system

[link]http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/56034js_2/index.htm[/link]

Thanks for info - maybe any details about engine sound in Tamiya IS-2 are known - the new recording or the same sound as it was in Tamiya KV-1 tank? As I understand Tamiya official video IS-2 presentation is still unavailable?




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I'm in. Just let me know when we can pre-order.
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Thanks for info - maybe any details about engine sound in Tamiya IS-2 are known - the new recording or the same sound as it was in Tamiya KV-1 tank? As I understand Tamiya official video IS-2 presentation is still unavailable?
I'll tell you this: KV-1 and KV-2 had one and the same type of engine

KV-1 had V-type 12 cylinder 4 tact diesel engine with liquid cooling - V2K (500 HP). In second half of 1941 KV-1 had V-type 12 cylinder 4 tact carburator engine М-17Т (500 HP). This lasted until Spring 1942.

KV-2 V-type 12 cylinder diesel engine with liquid cooling- V2K (500 HP, later it was improved to 600 HP)

IS-2 had V‑type 12 cylinder 4 tact diesel engine V-2IS (different type) - 520 HP

So I guess and hope that the model has a different sound...

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i cant wait...
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So I guess and hope that the model has a different sound...

thanks for reply - yes I know , but we will see what engine sound will Tamiya place in his IS-2
I hope too that IS-2 model will have diferent engine sound
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tamiyausa has the msrp @ $2,024.00. Highest price for a tammy tank to date. Generally you can cut that in half, so $1,000.00 for a kit at release.

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=56035
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Finally received word on the JS-2. Tamiya retail will be $2024.00 ( WOW!!!!!) must be made of gold!
The Tank Museum will be carrying this kit, but on a limited bases like the Leopard.
Pre-orders will be available later today on our website. All you need to do is type preorder into the search box on our site
http://shop.aaftankmuseum.comand you are good to go. Once item is in stock wewill send every pre-ordercustomer a link
to complete the order. Pre-orders require a $100 deposit that will be non-refundable if you do not complete the order.

By RCU rules I do not think that I can post our price for the kit, but I am sure one of the tankers will check it out and post. All website customers will
receive notification once it is up on the site.

Looking forward to helping you with your future RC parts and kit orders.

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Seems like it will have different sounds from the KV also. T08 and MF07. KV is T08 and MF06.
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WOW! For that price I could build two pershing kits.
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Those molds must be expensive....

they should sell it as a pnp kit. That 2,4 is probably just a hobbyking rebrand...
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Those molds must be expensive....

they should sell it as a pnp kit. That 2,4 is probably just a hobbyking rebrand...
That price is just for the basic kit, not the kit from Japan that includes the radio.

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