Heartfelt thank you from Sevastopol
03-25-2014, 10:32 AM
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It is you who seem to be taking this off track. The issue is Crimea, not IRAQ or past American foreign policy. I also find the remarks about the troops, and bringing up the plight they are left living with a little crass,.
Regardless of why the US troops were in IRAQ does not diminish the accomplishment of the armed force in the service of their country. War is hell and each of these guys has to relive that hell. I know the Americans are proud of their Military, and many have served their country in one form of another.
It is the very reason war is hell is that I engaged in this conversation. Understanding the facts, and not the trumped up news reports is crucial to forming an opinion on this. Television is not geared up for an in depth review . Inflame and rile up the masses to sell stuff is their mandate. I agree we as citizens need to see the news media for what it is, and dig deeper then they are prepared to go to find the truth,
Nothing builds a viewer base like reporting on a war.
You seem to have lost your objectivity on this awhile ago.
It is you who seem to be taking this off track. The issue is Crimea, not IRAQ or past American foreign policy. I also find the remarks about the troops, and bringing up the plight they are left living with a little crass,.
Regardless of why the US troops were in IRAQ does not diminish the accomplishment of the armed force in the service of their country. War is hell and each of these guys has to relive that hell. I know the Americans are proud of their Military, and many have served their country in one form of another.
It is the very reason war is hell is that I engaged in this conversation. Understanding the facts, and not the trumped up news reports is crucial to forming an opinion on this. Television is not geared up for an in depth review . Inflame and rile up the masses to sell stuff is their mandate. I agree we as citizens need to see the news media for what it is, and dig deeper then they are prepared to go to find the truth,
Nothing builds a viewer base like reporting on a war.
You seem to have lost your objectivity on this awhile ago.
03-25-2014, 10:45 AM
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I do not have a problem with territories or countries what want to be connected with there ancestral home land. I just dont like the fact that Putin seems to think that every country that speaks Russian should be part of Russia.
In the states we have many area's that still prefer to speak in their native language which is perfectly fine.
The issue I have is for these governments that use underhanded techniques to de stabilze and area to get them to want to re join the USSR. That in which is just what Putin wants. The glory days of the USSR. Which I see no benefit for doing it .The older generations still by into the communist theory which has been proven over and over again to fail. It is the younger people that where born and live in the post cold war era. They all seem to want more independence than any one has seen in a long time now.
Again I see no problem for a territory to want to maintain ties with thier former leaders but it should always be done freely and openly without a heavy "mystery " army knocking down doors and holding the home military at bay. How is that free and open. It isn't. It is cohersion in it's simplest form. So if Crimea wants to be a part of Russia fine. But if the majority of Ukraine wants to be independent then they should be allowed.
In the states we have many area's that still prefer to speak in their native language which is perfectly fine.
The issue I have is for these governments that use underhanded techniques to de stabilze and area to get them to want to re join the USSR. That in which is just what Putin wants. The glory days of the USSR. Which I see no benefit for doing it .The older generations still by into the communist theory which has been proven over and over again to fail. It is the younger people that where born and live in the post cold war era. They all seem to want more independence than any one has seen in a long time now.
Again I see no problem for a territory to want to maintain ties with thier former leaders but it should always be done freely and openly without a heavy "mystery " army knocking down doors and holding the home military at bay. How is that free and open. It isn't. It is cohersion in it's simplest form. So if Crimea wants to be a part of Russia fine. But if the majority of Ukraine wants to be independent then they should be allowed.
What a twisted web the world is.
03-25-2014, 11:18 AM
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It is you who seem to be taking this off track. The issue is Crimea, not IRAQ or past American foreign policy. I also find the remarks about the troops, and bringing up the plight they are left living with a little crass,.
Regardless of why the US troops were in IRAQ does not diminish the accomplishment of the armed force in the service of their country. War is hell and each of these guys has to relive that hell. I know the Americans are proud of their Military, and many have served their country in one form of another.
It is the very reason war is hell is that I engaged in this conversation. Understanding the facts, and not the trumped up news reports is crucial to forming an opinion on this. Television is not geared up for an in depth review . Inflame and rile up the masses to sell stuff is their mandate. I agree we as citizens need to see the news media for what it is, and dig deeper then they are prepared to go to find the truth,
Nothing builds a viewer base like reporting on a war.
You seem to have lost your objectivity on this awhile ago.
It is you who seem to be taking this off track. The issue is Crimea, not IRAQ or past American foreign policy. I also find the remarks about the troops, and bringing up the plight they are left living with a little crass,.
Regardless of why the US troops were in IRAQ does not diminish the accomplishment of the armed force in the service of their country. War is hell and each of these guys has to relive that hell. I know the Americans are proud of their Military, and many have served their country in one form of another.
It is the very reason war is hell is that I engaged in this conversation. Understanding the facts, and not the trumped up news reports is crucial to forming an opinion on this. Television is not geared up for an in depth review . Inflame and rile up the masses to sell stuff is their mandate. I agree we as citizens need to see the news media for what it is, and dig deeper then they are prepared to go to find the truth,
Nothing builds a viewer base like reporting on a war.
You seem to have lost your objectivity on this awhile ago.
Its been a free for all for a while.
As for the veterans. . . .get used to it. The books that are being published now paint a grim story and thers no
ticker tape parades or happy endings.
That might not sit well with the official version but then again. . .
those who dictate that version wouldnt allow news footage of caskets lined up at airports.
Mission Accomplished and all that jazz I suppose.
History repeating itself.
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03-25-2014, 11:35 AM
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Secret evidence given to the Chilcot Inquiry into the conflict reveals the former Prime Minister was told in 2002 that Libya posed a far greater threat and was pursuing an active nuclear weapons programme.
By contrast, one senior MI6 officer said it was clear 12 months before the war that Saddam Hussein had no nuclear weapons and no significant WMD at all.
The unnamed officer said any actual WMD in Iraq would be ‘very, very small’ and would fit on ‘the back of a petrol lorry’.
Blair is said to have ‘understood’ that Libya was the real threat.
On April 4, 2002, the day before Blair flew to the United States for a pivotal weekend with Bush, he is said to have accepted that ‘it would not be sensible to lead the argument on Saddam and the WMD issue’.
In the run-up to the 2003 war, Blair claimed the intelligence on Iraq’s WMD programme was ‘extensive, detailed and authoritative’.
Fast Forward a few years and Blair’s WMD intelligence was neither detailed nor authoritative it was none existent
By contrast, one senior MI6 officer said it was clear 12 months before the war that Saddam Hussein had no nuclear weapons and no significant WMD at all.
The unnamed officer said any actual WMD in Iraq would be ‘very, very small’ and would fit on ‘the back of a petrol lorry’.
Blair is said to have ‘understood’ that Libya was the real threat.
On April 4, 2002, the day before Blair flew to the United States for a pivotal weekend with Bush, he is said to have accepted that ‘it would not be sensible to lead the argument on Saddam and the WMD issue’.
In the run-up to the 2003 war, Blair claimed the intelligence on Iraq’s WMD programme was ‘extensive, detailed and authoritative’.
Fast Forward a few years and Blair’s WMD intelligence was neither detailed nor authoritative it was none existent
03-25-2014, 11:38 AM
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Dan, Im afraid you need to go back a few pages to see when this train wreck derailed.
Its been a free for all for a while.
As for the veterans. . . .get used to it. The books that are being published now paint a grim story and thers no
ticker tape parades or happy endings.
That might not sit well with the official version but then again. . .
those who dictate that version wouldnt allow news footage of caskets lined up at airports.
Mission Accomplished and all that jazz I suppose.
History repeating itself.
P
Its been a free for all for a while.
As for the veterans. . . .get used to it. The books that are being published now paint a grim story and thers no
ticker tape parades or happy endings.
That might not sit well with the official version but then again. . .
those who dictate that version wouldnt allow news footage of caskets lined up at airports.
Mission Accomplished and all that jazz I suppose.
History repeating itself.
P
03-25-2014, 11:44 AM
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Im different from you.
I consider myself a patriot and like all good patriots spend my time questioning what my country is doing.
You claim to be a patriot and spend your time sucking up then regurgitating whatever muck your leaders see fit to feed you with.
As I said. . .less flag waving, " thank you for your service" and chest beating and instead write your congressman to find out why your veterans dont always get what they deserve.
That would be nearer real patrotism.
P
I consider myself a patriot and like all good patriots spend my time questioning what my country is doing.
You claim to be a patriot and spend your time sucking up then regurgitating whatever muck your leaders see fit to feed you with.
As I said. . .less flag waving, " thank you for your service" and chest beating and instead write your congressman to find out why your veterans dont always get what they deserve.
That would be nearer real patrotism.
P
03-25-2014, 02:01 PM
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I have a sneaking suspicion, if you look past the hype, that the military has a higher incidence of cited problems than the general public...they are held to a much higher standard, and thus will be diagnosed and singled out to a far higher degree than the general population, whether good or bad.
03-25-2014, 03:30 PM
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Im different from you.
I consider myself a patriot and like all good patriots spend my time questioning what my country is doing.
You claim to be a patriot and spend your time sucking up then regurgitating whatever muck your leaders see fit to feed you with.
As I said. . .less flag waving, " thank you for your service" and chest beating and instead write your congressman to find out why your veterans dont always get what they deserve.
That would be nearer real patrotism.
P
I consider myself a patriot and like all good patriots spend my time questioning what my country is doing.
You claim to be a patriot and spend your time sucking up then regurgitating whatever muck your leaders see fit to feed you with.
As I said. . .less flag waving, " thank you for your service" and chest beating and instead write your congressman to find out why your veterans dont always get what they deserve.
That would be nearer real patrotism.
P
03-25-2014, 11:20 PM
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Well I guess I better not hold my breath as its been a long time since any single country ever solved a world problem.
AIDS?
World hunger?
The common cold?
Cancer?
Slavery?
Loss of genetic diversity?
Energy problems?
Climate change?
Ocean acidification?
Let me know when the US, or any other country for that matter, gets around to solving some of those.
Because Syria, Iraq, Af-bloody-ghanistan, the Palestinians, Ukraine, Vietnam, Korea, Kosov.........they are not world problems other than for the fact that nuclear powers stick their noses in.
Without nuclear weapons......those are regional (if not local) problems which wouldnt have generated so much as a headline in 1925.
And even those regional/local problems....the US didnt do much to solve those either.
So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either.
p
AIDS?
World hunger?
The common cold?
Cancer?
Slavery?
Loss of genetic diversity?
Energy problems?
Climate change?
Ocean acidification?
Let me know when the US, or any other country for that matter, gets around to solving some of those.
Because Syria, Iraq, Af-bloody-ghanistan, the Palestinians, Ukraine, Vietnam, Korea, Kosov.........they are not world problems other than for the fact that nuclear powers stick their noses in.
Without nuclear weapons......those are regional (if not local) problems which wouldnt have generated so much as a headline in 1925.
And even those regional/local problems....the US didnt do much to solve those either.
So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either.
p
03-26-2014, 05:47 AM
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Well I guess I better not hold my breath as its been a long time since any single country ever solved a world problem.
AIDS?
World hunger?
The common cold?
Cancer?
Slavery?
Loss of genetic diversity?
Energy problems?
Climate change?
Ocean acidification?
Let me know when the US, or any other country for that matter, gets around to solving some of those.
Because Syria, Iraq, Af-bloody-ghanistan, the Palestinians, Ukraine, Vietnam, Korea, Kosov.........they are not world problems other than for the fact that nuclear powers stick their noses in.
Without nuclear weapons......those are regional (if not local) problems which wouldnt have generated so much as a headline in 1925.
And even those regional/local problems....the US didnt do much to solve those either.
So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either.
p
AIDS?
World hunger?
The common cold?
Cancer?
Slavery?
Loss of genetic diversity?
Energy problems?
Climate change?
Ocean acidification?
Let me know when the US, or any other country for that matter, gets around to solving some of those.
Because Syria, Iraq, Af-bloody-ghanistan, the Palestinians, Ukraine, Vietnam, Korea, Kosov.........they are not world problems other than for the fact that nuclear powers stick their noses in.
Without nuclear weapons......those are regional (if not local) problems which wouldnt have generated so much as a headline in 1925.
And even those regional/local problems....the US didnt do much to solve those either.
So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either.
p
AIDS, probably spend more money on this than anyone else.
World hunger, See above.
Common cold, still working on it,
Cancer, See AIDS
Slavery, Took care of that.
Loss of genetic diversity, Not a problem. Yours being a small population you may need to keep track of this.
Energy Problems, Got all we need, if Obama will get out of the way.
Climate change, Can't control the earths cycles, so live with it or die from it.
Ocean acidification, working on it.
Just to get you up to speed on things, the USA has helped more people in time of need than any country on the face of the earth, that's an undeniable fact no matter how you try to twist it.
"So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either." and if we hadn't been bombed and stepped in your national language would be German. Remember it was just a regional problem!
Just another reminder neutrality is one word for, "easy to conquer".
P.S. I wrote "just another country waiting for the US to solve all the worlds problems", not while the USA was solving world problems.
03-26-2014, 06:53 AM
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My point : don't you, guys, have better things to do than fueling this thread ? (that had the only purpose, may I remind you, to let us know that Sev was ok.)
It was supposed to remain unpolitical...but it has turned into a pathetic bunch of trite remarks and false statements.
Go at your workbenches and build something.
It was supposed to remain unpolitical...but it has turned into a pathetic bunch of trite remarks and false statements.
Go at your workbenches and build something.
03-26-2014, 07:00 AM
#189
Actually slavery still exists in many parts of the world, as for Iposters national language becoming German this is in fact is not true it would have still been Norwegian, the Russians allowed East European countries to keep their language, this whole who won WWII was covered very thoroughly a few months back.
03-26-2014, 08:54 AM
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Lets see
AIDS, probably spend more money on this than anyone else.
World hunger, See above.
Common cold, still working on it,
Cancer, See AIDS
Slavery, Took care of that.
Loss of genetic diversity, Not a problem. Yours being a small population you may need to keep track of this.
Energy Problems, Got all we need, if Obama will get out of the way.
Climate change, Can't control the earths cycles, so live with it or die from it.
Ocean acidification, working on it.
Just to get you up to speed on things, the USA has helped more people in time of need than any country on the face of the earth, that's an undeniable fact no matter how you try to twist it.
"So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either." and if we hadn't been bombed and stepped in your national language would be German. Remember it was just a regional problem!
Just another reminder neutrality is one word for, "easy to conquer".
P.S. I wrote "just another country waiting for the US to solve all the worlds problems", not while the USA was solving world problems.
AIDS, probably spend more money on this than anyone else.
World hunger, See above.
Common cold, still working on it,
Cancer, See AIDS
Slavery, Took care of that.
Loss of genetic diversity, Not a problem. Yours being a small population you may need to keep track of this.
Energy Problems, Got all we need, if Obama will get out of the way.
Climate change, Can't control the earths cycles, so live with it or die from it.
Ocean acidification, working on it.
Just to get you up to speed on things, the USA has helped more people in time of need than any country on the face of the earth, that's an undeniable fact no matter how you try to twist it.
"So Im sorry if it goes against your way of thinking but a world problem hasnt been "solved" since 1945 and the US didnt solve that on its own either." and if we hadn't been bombed and stepped in your national language would be German. Remember it was just a regional problem!
Just another reminder neutrality is one word for, "easy to conquer".
P.S. I wrote "just another country waiting for the US to solve all the worlds problems", not while the USA was solving world problems.
Not all slaves are black and throwing money at something does not equate to solving.
P
03-26-2014, 09:31 AM
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Im different from you.
I consider myself a patriot and like all good patriots spend my time questioning what my country is doing.
You claim to be a patriot and spend your time sucking up then regurgitating whatever muck your leaders see fit to feed you with.
As I said. . .less flag waving, " thank you for your service" and chest beating and instead write your congressman to find out why your veterans dont always get what they deserve.
That would be nearer real patrotism.
P
I consider myself a patriot and like all good patriots spend my time questioning what my country is doing.
You claim to be a patriot and spend your time sucking up then regurgitating whatever muck your leaders see fit to feed you with.
As I said. . .less flag waving, " thank you for your service" and chest beating and instead write your congressman to find out why your veterans dont always get what they deserve.
That would be nearer real patrotism.
P
03-26-2014, 11:39 AM
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If not throwing money at it works, then you would had it fixed a long time ago.
No arrogance just fact.
Elefant, good advice, I think I'll go build something!!!!!
03-26-2014, 11:49 AM
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My point : don't you, guys, have better things to do than fueling this thread ? (that had the only purpose, may I remind you, to let us know that Sev was ok.)
It was supposed to remain unpolitical...but it has turned into a pathetic bunch of trite remarks and false statements.
Go at your workbenches and build something.
It was supposed to remain unpolitical...but it has turned into a pathetic bunch of trite remarks and false statements.
Go at your workbenches and build something.
That's where the arrogance and ignorance started.
03-26-2014, 11:50 AM
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At least people like the Cruiser above try and string an argument together but you are just empty.
I knew the US fulfilled many of the criteria for being a failed state but even Mogadishu manages to pruduce somewhat educated citizens.
If you are what passes for American youth today - and Im deliberately being generous in my assumption of your growth stage - then the US has more to worry about than I thought.
03-26-2014, 12:17 PM
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You should probably give the workbench a test and waddle off back to school whrere you might learn something.
At least people like the Cruiser above try and string an argument together but you are just empty.
I knew the US fulfilled many of the criteria for being a failed state but even Mogadishu manages to pruduce somewhat educated citizens.
If you are what passes for American youth today - and Im deliberately being generous in my assumption of your growth stage - then the US has more to worry about than I thought.
At least people like the Cruiser above try and string an argument together but you are just empty.
I knew the US fulfilled many of the criteria for being a failed state but even Mogadishu manages to pruduce somewhat educated citizens.
If you are what passes for American youth today - and Im deliberately being generous in my assumption of your growth stage - then the US has more to worry about than I thought.
03-26-2014, 12:33 PM
#197
You know. . . . . .youre probably right.
I knew the tank section of rcuniverse was unmoderated, usa- centric and where political hearts were worn on sleeves.
Doesnt bother me much.
There are however other forums of quality with less politics and hopefully devoid of people as cretinous as you.
And thats where I think I'll head to.
Best of luck with what passes for the rest of your life.
Have a good one.
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I knew the tank section of rcuniverse was unmoderated, usa- centric and where political hearts were worn on sleeves.
Doesnt bother me much.
There are however other forums of quality with less politics and hopefully devoid of people as cretinous as you.
And thats where I think I'll head to.
Best of luck with what passes for the rest of your life.
Have a good one.
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03-26-2014, 12:39 PM
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GENTLEMEN: I'd like to point out something from page ONE of this thread, from the Original poster.
My friends
I clearly stated that this thread was for my charming wife and I to thank you all for the large number of messages expressing concern for our safety and well being and that I desire no politics. Please, let's keep it that way. From midnight last PM until 06 this morning we have gotten another half dozen messages. Again, Ye'lean'chka and I deeply thank you for your support and concern. We are fine this morning, city is quiet as a mouse.
If any of you want a SitRep or want to express your views on the situation, feel free to PM me.
Again, please refrain from any political comments or conjecture. The few comments about the situation down here were meant to give you some small glimmer of information on the situation, nothing more and I did not want to draw out comments about the overall situation. From this moment forward those reports will stop. I will reply to some individual questions shortly by PM or email. We lost net last late evening and just got it back 20 mikes ago. We'll see how works today.
I clearly stated that this thread was for my charming wife and I to thank you all for the large number of messages expressing concern for our safety and well being and that I desire no politics. Please, let's keep it that way. From midnight last PM until 06 this morning we have gotten another half dozen messages. Again, Ye'lean'chka and I deeply thank you for your support and concern. We are fine this morning, city is quiet as a mouse.
If any of you want a SitRep or want to express your views on the situation, feel free to PM me.
Again, please refrain from any political comments or conjecture. The few comments about the situation down here were meant to give you some small glimmer of information on the situation, nothing more and I did not want to draw out comments about the overall situation. From this moment forward those reports will stop. I will reply to some individual questions shortly by PM or email. We lost net last late evening and just got it back 20 mikes ago. We'll see how works today.
03-26-2014, 02:10 PM
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Watts they beast we ore AC yeast we two mow dell they russ asian BTR-80 in bulb in vase tick owe veer in they bay seas in Krimea.?
Seriously, this thread has degenerated to unprecedented lows in the rc tank hobby. Mods please step in, as it makes notice of anything but progression in this hobby.
Seriously, this thread has degenerated to unprecedented lows in the rc tank hobby. Mods please step in, as it makes notice of anything but progression in this hobby.