Airbrushler's New Panther G
06-19-2015, 08:56 AM
#52
Ok, top picture shows Pantiger exhaust stacks on 2 Panther G's.
The Panther on top has the welded exhaust elbow covers that come with the HL Panther G - this would be suitable for an MAN manufactured Panther G from the period that disc camouflage was being applied, its probably also suitable for MNH built examples, but I haven't found a picture to confirm that. Hopefully Rivetcounter will be along soon to add to this...
The Panther on the bottom has the later style cast covers, that were introduced into Daimler production in September '44 during the period that Ambush camouflage was being applied. As far as I know Daimler didn't apply disc camouflage (altho I think MAN did apply Ambush), so this wouldn't be right for your Panther.
The next picture shows the comparison between Pantiger and Panther G exhausts.
For the Daimler version, I used the right hand side exhaust in its entirety, for the MAN version I used the middle stack from the left hand exhaust.
I'm now looking around for a suitable material for the sheet metal guard, it will probably be thin copper sheet, as that will bend relatively easily.
If you are able to make your own pipes then you needn't go on the scrounge for Pantiger exhausts - I looked into the cost of getting some tubing and a tube bender, but decided getting Pantiger exhausts (esp when I had 2 sets in my junk box anyway) was the cheaper route...
Hope this helps
The Panther on top has the welded exhaust elbow covers that come with the HL Panther G - this would be suitable for an MAN manufactured Panther G from the period that disc camouflage was being applied, its probably also suitable for MNH built examples, but I haven't found a picture to confirm that. Hopefully Rivetcounter will be along soon to add to this...
The Panther on the bottom has the later style cast covers, that were introduced into Daimler production in September '44 during the period that Ambush camouflage was being applied. As far as I know Daimler didn't apply disc camouflage (altho I think MAN did apply Ambush), so this wouldn't be right for your Panther.
The next picture shows the comparison between Pantiger and Panther G exhausts.
For the Daimler version, I used the right hand side exhaust in its entirety, for the MAN version I used the middle stack from the left hand exhaust.
I'm now looking around for a suitable material for the sheet metal guard, it will probably be thin copper sheet, as that will bend relatively easily.
If you are able to make your own pipes then you needn't go on the scrounge for Pantiger exhausts - I looked into the cost of getting some tubing and a tube bender, but decided getting Pantiger exhausts (esp when I had 2 sets in my junk box anyway) was the cheaper route...
Hope this helps
Last edited by Ex_Pat_Tanker; 06-19-2015 at 09:02 AM.
06-19-2015, 05:02 PM
#54
Brass would be cool, especially if they're functional. If you want to make brass tubing, I think Schumo has resin castings for the bottom - square/welded and rounded/cast styles.
@ex_pat_tanker: do the exhaust assemblies pop off the back of the Pantiger? Or, do you have to cut them out? Are they functional, meaning the smoke from the smoker comes out of them?
@ex_pat_tanker: do the exhaust assemblies pop off the back of the Pantiger? Or, do you have to cut them out? Are they functional, meaning the smoke from the smoker comes out of them?
06-20-2015, 12:52 AM
#55
Yes, you can pop them off with a little brute force and swearing. The smoke and sound Pantigers have functional exhausts, the non versions do not.
I did look at the Schumo cast elbow ones, but they are quite expensive - and I'm personally not going to spend that kind of money for something that I'll hardly notice, when I can get Pantiger exhausts for a fraction of the cost
I did look at the Schumo cast elbow ones, but they are quite expensive - and I'm personally not going to spend that kind of money for something that I'll hardly notice, when I can get Pantiger exhausts for a fraction of the cost
06-20-2015, 05:35 AM
#56
Yes, you can pop them off with a little brute force and swearing. The smoke and sound Pantigers have functional exhausts, the non versions do not.
I did look at the Schumo cast elbow ones, but they are quite expensive - and I'm personally not going to spend that kind of money for something that I'll hardly notice, when I can get Pantiger exhausts for a fraction of the cost
I did look at the Schumo cast elbow ones, but they are quite expensive - and I'm personally not going to spend that kind of money for something that I'll hardly notice, when I can get Pantiger exhausts for a fraction of the cost
On that note, for those that need the part, you can get it here: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...003007037.html. You'd have to ask whether they work with the smoke and sound. I've purchased from this seller before without any issues. Good communication, too.
06-20-2015, 05:58 AM
#57
Yes, you can pop them off with a little brute force and swearing. The smoke and sound Pantigers have functional exhausts, the non versions do not.
I did look at the Schumo cast elbow ones, but they are quite expensive - and I'm personally not going to spend that kind of money for something that I'll hardly notice, when I can get Pantiger exhausts for a fraction of the cost
I did look at the Schumo cast elbow ones, but they are quite expensive - and I'm personally not going to spend that kind of money for something that I'll hardly notice, when I can get Pantiger exhausts for a fraction of the cost
Those SCHUMO resin Armored Exhaust Covers (which includes the exhaust pipes too) only cost round 25 bucks for a set and are finely reproduced offering excellent detail and accurate scale. PLUS... they make a center focus point on the rear end of the tank that is often lacking and ignored.
25 dollars is a mere drop in the bucket towards what we spend already and is pocket change in many households.
Jeff
06-20-2015, 06:05 AM
#59
Those SCHUMO resin Armored Exhaust Covers (which includes the exhaust pipes too) only cost round 25 bucks for a set and are finely reproduced offering excellent detail and accurate scale. PLUS... they make a center focus point on the rear end of the tank that is often lacking and ignored.
25 dollars is a mere drop in the bucket towards what we spend already and is pocket change in many households.
Jeff
25 dollars is a mere drop in the bucket towards what we spend already and is pocket change in many households.
Jeff
06-20-2015, 06:45 AM
#60
06-20-2015, 04:18 PM
#61
haha! good point...I suppose having some already on hand puts a damper on buying anything else. Good to know about the smoke-and-sound vs non versions...
On that note, for those that need the part, you can get it here: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...003007037.html. You'd have to ask whether they work with the smoke and sound. I've purchased from this seller before without any issues. Good communication, too.
On that note, for those that need the part, you can get it here: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/prod...003007037.html. You'd have to ask whether they work with the smoke and sound. I've purchased from this seller before without any issues. Good communication, too.
06-20-2015, 07:40 PM
#62
Those SCHUMO resin Armored Exhaust Covers (which includes the exhaust pipes too) only cost round 25 bucks for a set and are finely reproduced offering excellent detail and accurate scale. PLUS... they make a center focus point on the rear end of the tank that is often lacking and ignored.
06-26-2015, 09:25 PM
#68
Thread Starter
Thanks Rex Ross and everyone else
well i don't have a tube bender so i went with the Salt idea
i filled the tube with salt to make the tube stiffer, then i bent it around a smal tack hammer i have but i still got a buckle in the tube so i took a piece of flat brass material and soldered it over the buckled part and shaped it to hide the buckle in the tubing i cut off the old exhaust and drilled out holes to fit the new tube exhaust and in side the tank lowered the smoker tubes to the bottom into the manifolds then i just rounded out the stock exhaust manifolds so it will be fuctional. i still have to fill the holes from the stock exhaust
well i don't have a tube bender so i went with the Salt idea
i filled the tube with salt to make the tube stiffer, then i bent it around a smal tack hammer i have but i still got a buckle in the tube so i took a piece of flat brass material and soldered it over the buckled part and shaped it to hide the buckle in the tubing i cut off the old exhaust and drilled out holes to fit the new tube exhaust and in side the tank lowered the smoker tubes to the bottom into the manifolds then i just rounded out the stock exhaust manifolds so it will be fuctional. i still have to fill the holes from the stock exhaust
06-27-2015, 05:32 AM
#70
You're close enough, Greg, you could've just bopped over to my house and used my tubing bender. Hmmmm
Did you try heating the tube to bend it, or did you bend it totally cold? I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard that just putting the tube in the oven at 450 for a bit and then using gloves and pliers to handle it really makes it bend easier.
This tank is really looking good, I can't wait to see it completely finished on one of those cool diorama bases you make. One of these days I'm going to make one of those for taking photos and I'll be bugging you for details.
Did you try heating the tube to bend it, or did you bend it totally cold? I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard that just putting the tube in the oven at 450 for a bit and then using gloves and pliers to handle it really makes it bend easier.
This tank is really looking good, I can't wait to see it completely finished on one of those cool diorama bases you make. One of these days I'm going to make one of those for taking photos and I'll be bugging you for details.
06-27-2015, 06:48 AM
#71
Thread Starter
You're close enough, Greg, you could've just bopped over to my house and used my tubing bender. Hmmmm
Did you try heating the tube to bend it, or did you bend it totally cold? I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard that just putting the tube in the oven at 450 for a bit and then using gloves and pliers to handle it really makes it bend easier.
This tank is really looking good, I can't wait to see it completely finished on one of those cool diorama bases you make. One of these days I'm going to make one of those for taking photos and I'll be bugging you for details.
Did you try heating the tube to bend it, or did you bend it totally cold? I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard that just putting the tube in the oven at 450 for a bit and then using gloves and pliers to handle it really makes it bend easier.
This tank is really looking good, I can't wait to see it completely finished on one of those cool diorama bases you make. One of these days I'm going to make one of those for taking photos and I'll be bugging you for details.
i know, i don't have a passport maybe one day i think those passports are as much as a Clark Board now...lol
07-12-2015, 12:30 AM
#75
Thread Starter
added those dividers not sure what they are called maybe they were some kind of baffle
https://youtu.be/Se5a5rjMuzk
https://youtu.be/Se5a5rjMuzk
Last edited by Airbrushler; 07-12-2015 at 03:36 AM.