Jagdpanther i Painted
08-09-2015, 10:31 AM
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Nice one the Jagdpanther just looks so much badder with zim on it .
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08-09-2015, 11:50 AM
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Looks ready to go into action.
Has any reader ever encountered real Zimmerit? I am curious what its like. Soft like wet clay or hard like plaster? Gooey? Pla-Doh?
Would small arms fire knock it off? Would brush and trees scrape it off? Finally, Did it work?
Who used mag-base charges? U.S.; U.S.S.R.; or the Brits?
None of the above.
"In November 1942, Germany began issuing the Hafthohlladung anti-tank grenade. The grenade was attached to a tank with magnets by infantry, and used a shaped charge to defeat the armor.
Expecting that the Allies would copy the concept, a countermeasure was developed. The company Zimmer AG invented a non-magnetic material called Zimmerit, which could be applied to German tanks to prevent magnets from sticking to them."
"On 9 September 1944, it was ordered that Zimmerit application should cease immediately. This order was given due to rumors that shells could set the Zimmerit on fire, destroying the tank. While later investigation revealed that the rumors were false, Zimmerit application was never restarted, likely because the Allies had not made their own versions of the magnetic mines that Zimmerit was intended to defeat."
http://www.panzerworld.com/zimmerit
Has any reader ever encountered real Zimmerit? I am curious what its like. Soft like wet clay or hard like plaster? Gooey? Pla-Doh?
Would small arms fire knock it off? Would brush and trees scrape it off? Finally, Did it work?
Who used mag-base charges? U.S.; U.S.S.R.; or the Brits?
None of the above.
"In November 1942, Germany began issuing the Hafthohlladung anti-tank grenade. The grenade was attached to a tank with magnets by infantry, and used a shaped charge to defeat the armor.
Expecting that the Allies would copy the concept, a countermeasure was developed. The company Zimmer AG invented a non-magnetic material called Zimmerit, which could be applied to German tanks to prevent magnets from sticking to them."
"On 9 September 1944, it was ordered that Zimmerit application should cease immediately. This order was given due to rumors that shells could set the Zimmerit on fire, destroying the tank. While later investigation revealed that the rumors were false, Zimmerit application was never restarted, likely because the Allies had not made their own versions of the magnetic mines that Zimmerit was intended to defeat."
http://www.panzerworld.com/zimmerit
Last edited by PaulDeth; 08-09-2015 at 01:01 PM. Reason: updated
08-09-2015, 02:47 PM
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i apply it a section at a time by pushing it on with my fingers then i just made a small tool to apply the lines out of a popsicle stick i had to shave it down a bit
08-10-2015, 09:29 AM
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Looks ready to go into action.
Has any reader ever encountered real Zimmerit? I am curious what its like. Soft like wet clay or hard like plaster? Gooey? Pla-Doh?
Would small arms fire knock it off? Would brush and trees scrape it off? Finally, Did it work?
Who used mag-base charges? U.S.; U.S.S.R.; or the Brits?
None of the above.
"In November 1942, Germany began issuing the Hafthohlladung anti-tank grenade. The grenade was attached to a tank with magnets by infantry, and used a shaped charge to defeat the armor.
Expecting that the Allies would copy the concept, a countermeasure was developed. The company Zimmer AG invented a non-magnetic material called Zimmerit, which could be applied to German tanks to prevent magnets from sticking to them."
"On 9 September 1944, it was ordered that Zimmerit application should cease immediately. This order was given due to rumors that shells could set the Zimmerit on fire, destroying the tank. While later investigation revealed that the rumors were false, Zimmerit application was never restarted, likely because the Allies had not made their own versions of the magnetic mines that Zimmerit was intended to defeat."
http://www.panzerworld.com/zimmerit
Has any reader ever encountered real Zimmerit? I am curious what its like. Soft like wet clay or hard like plaster? Gooey? Pla-Doh?
Would small arms fire knock it off? Would brush and trees scrape it off? Finally, Did it work?
Who used mag-base charges? U.S.; U.S.S.R.; or the Brits?
None of the above.
"In November 1942, Germany began issuing the Hafthohlladung anti-tank grenade. The grenade was attached to a tank with magnets by infantry, and used a shaped charge to defeat the armor.
Expecting that the Allies would copy the concept, a countermeasure was developed. The company Zimmer AG invented a non-magnetic material called Zimmerit, which could be applied to German tanks to prevent magnets from sticking to them."
"On 9 September 1944, it was ordered that Zimmerit application should cease immediately. This order was given due to rumors that shells could set the Zimmerit on fire, destroying the tank. While later investigation revealed that the rumors were false, Zimmerit application was never restarted, likely because the Allies had not made their own versions of the magnetic mines that Zimmerit was intended to defeat."
http://www.panzerworld.com/zimmerit
Littlefield's Panther as it was dragged up to his ranch had traces of original zimmerit and it was hard. At least that's how it was 60 years after being applied.
I often thought if anyone wanted to make real zimmerit for their own use the formula is well documented and the constituents relatively inexpensive.
From the Wiki:
40 % Barium sulfate - BaSO4
25 % polyvinyl acetate – PVA (similar to wood glue)
15 % pigment (ochre)
10 % Zinc sulfide – ZnS
10 % sawdust
It would be an interesting project, assuming one could get the particulates in a grain size suitable for a smaller application. Nothing in the list of ingredients is particularly hazardous.
/Edit.. I looked up Ochre and you can buy "yellow Ochre Powder" which i assume is the iron oxide form. see the Wiki for explanation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochre - I may actually try this myself at one point just for fun.
Sometimes I like digging for information... I found that the likely successor to the wartime Chemische Werke Zimmer AG was resurrected
after the war and most recently acquired by Technip of France.- http://www.technip.com/en/press/tech...r-technologies. I'm not positive but Technip may own the rights to the name Zimmerit - so that name could likely not be used commercially. Not sure because the often vagueness for the patent ownership of German wartime developments....
Jerry
Last edited by Tanque; 08-11-2015 at 09:19 AM.
08-11-2015, 02:43 PM
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Turned out looking just brilliant! Great work!
And Tanque, it would be cool to see someone actually make up some of the real deal and see how well it worked on a model. I could see it being a decent seller on Ebay and such if it worked well and was priced decently.
And Tanque, it would be cool to see someone actually make up some of the real deal and see how well it worked on a model. I could see it being a decent seller on Ebay and such if it worked well and was priced decently.
08-12-2015, 04:01 PM
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I thought it was just the color, Yellow Ochre, didn't know it was iron oxide based?
08-12-2015, 04:04 PM
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Ditto on the Yellowshaker (Joey) post, nice to see you are still taking a peek man!!!
