A Simple Blast Effect
#4
I think this is more important than any other feature a tank could have! Better than a flash, better than any battle system.
Jeff
Jeff
#8
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Remember the key words in the title, "simple" and "effect". The video has been edited. This weekend I'll do a video showing how it's done and then you'll say, "Wow, that's pretty simple. I can't believe I didn't think of that myself!"
Remember the balloon trick I did? This is another trick.
Remember the balloon trick I did? This is another trick.
#10
I have to agree with Jeff I think this is more important than any other feature a tank could have! Better than a flash, better than any battle system. I'm looking forward for the how to video, GREAT job Gary!!!!! thanks for sharing.
#11
Nice.
Here's my guess: Since the camera shakes after every blast, I assume you're turning it off between reloads. That leads me to believe you are either filling the barrel or BB reserve with smoke or a fine powder, but lean towards smoke since it doesn't seem to drop like pigment would.
So, I say you are manually feeding smoke from a smoker unit outside the tank into the barrel and letting the BB push it out.
Here's my guess: Since the camera shakes after every blast, I assume you're turning it off between reloads. That leads me to believe you are either filling the barrel or BB reserve with smoke or a fine powder, but lean towards smoke since it doesn't seem to drop like pigment would.
So, I say you are manually feeding smoke from a smoker unit outside the tank into the barrel and letting the BB push it out.
#12
Dont even need a BB, the air from the piston dropping (that normally fires the BB) should be enough if you tape it up from the gravity tray
could probably divert a smoker to the gun that way and have those every time you fire
could probably divert a smoker to the gun that way and have those every time you fire
#13
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Don't forget, it's a trick. This was a quickie, and the radio will be a give-away. You'll see it. And even if you have to go to YouTube to watch it, click for full screen. The little window sucks. And for some reason the PzIII doesn't show up well against the yellow background. Watch for dispersion of the smoke cloud. I think it looks pretty good the way it fades out. If I could just get fake flame!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y8cyR9NNXU This is how it's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ttrdKQXOPc Ausf, I thought for sure you'd have seen this, so it was pretty cool to be able to show you something. You're one of the guys we all learn from so showing you something new is always good for a warm fuzzy of accomplishment, can ya dig it?
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm thinking this would combine well with the Q-tip/balloon trick.
The second part of the trick is Windows Live Movie Maker. It's ridiculously easy to use and it should be on most PCs with Windows 7 or 10. If a Gomer like me can figger it out it can't be that freakin' difficult, eh? Hey! You didn't have to agree with that statement so damned quickly! Anyway, Ausf taught me about how if you zoom in first and don't move the camera or the tank it will stay zoomed, no matter what range you go to (no idea of the proper lingo for that one. Range? Distance? Zoom level?). Same thing for editing this. I just did it in one long take and clipped out the reloads. If anyone wants to see the original video, before I cut out the reloads, I suppose I could post it. I just prefer not to appear on camera, ya know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y8cyR9NNXU This is how it's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ttrdKQXOPc Ausf, I thought for sure you'd have seen this, so it was pretty cool to be able to show you something. You're one of the guys we all learn from so showing you something new is always good for a warm fuzzy of accomplishment, can ya dig it?
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm thinking this would combine well with the Q-tip/balloon trick.
The second part of the trick is Windows Live Movie Maker. It's ridiculously easy to use and it should be on most PCs with Windows 7 or 10. If a Gomer like me can figger it out it can't be that freakin' difficult, eh? Hey! You didn't have to agree with that statement so damned quickly! Anyway, Ausf taught me about how if you zoom in first and don't move the camera or the tank it will stay zoomed, no matter what range you go to (no idea of the proper lingo for that one. Range? Distance? Zoom level?). Same thing for editing this. I just did it in one long take and clipped out the reloads. If anyone wants to see the original video, before I cut out the reloads, I suppose I could post it. I just prefer not to appear on camera, ya know?
#15
Gary, you can somewhat achieve this same effect for a artillery shell hitting in the ground. Grab a small funnel, hook up some nitro fuel line to the small end and add talc the open end (wont need much), cover loosely with saran wrap or foil. Bury the funnel just to cover the up end (saran wrapped) and attach the other end of the fuel line with some compressed air. Voila, smoke and dirt go a flying. Only conern with this is getting all that junk in your IR tube and apple if your battling and some goof decides to set it off while your tank is literally right next to it. Could make for a nice effect on one of your next videos. Here's the funnel size you'd be looking at. Maybe you'd have something like it at work but it's kinda small.
http://store.rc4wd.com/Hydraulic-Oil-Funnel_p_2973.html
http://store.rc4wd.com/Hydraulic-Oil-Funnel_p_2973.html
Last edited by TheBennyB; 06-24-2016 at 05:24 PM.
#16
Gary, you can somewhat achieve this same effect for a artillery shell hitting in the ground. Grab a small funnel, hook up some nitro fuel line to the small end and fill the open end with talc, cover loosely with saran wrap or foil. Bury the funnel just to cover the up end (saran wrapped) and attach the other end of the fuel line with some compressed air. Voila, smoke and dirt go a flying. Only conern with this is getting all that junk in your IR tube and apple if your battling and some goof decides to set it off while your tank is literally right next to it. Could make for a nice effect on one of your next videos. Here's the funnel size you'd be looking at. Maybe you'd have something like it at work.
http://store.rc4wd.com/Hydraulic-Oil-Funnel_p_2973.html
http://store.rc4wd.com/Hydraulic-Oil-Funnel_p_2973.html
That's similar to what the effects industry has been doing in films for years. They call 'em air cannons and are used when they don't want flames from a pyrotechnic effect. Every one here has seen them in use, any of the mortar hits where someone went flying in SPR, Band Of Brothers or The Pacific is a huge air cannon. They place them in the ground, back fill with debris, set a mini trampoline in front of it and the stunt dude pops onto the tramp sending him in the air as the cannon blows all the foam rock bits.
My son and I did some tests last year using a small plastic chamber, 91% alcohol and a grill igniter. We carved out a styrene insulation panel to look like a destroyed building with shell hits, laid it flat and covered it with ash from the grill to look like concrete. Set the JS-2 up in front of it (on it's side) and rotated the turret while firing the igniter. It blasted out a nice cloud (I thought I posted it here), but in the end, it's too fast to look good on video as is.
The big thing for explosion effects with miniatures is to be able to over crank the film. Film travels at 24 frames a second, if you over crank the speed while filming to a higher rate, when played at 24 frames, it gives a nice feeling of weight and size. Puppets, X wing fighters, etc are all done that way.
#19
#20
I just got a new Iwata compressor, which frees an extra pressure tank I have. If I put a ball valve on it for quick release, I can probably get a good 80-90 PSI blast. I guess I know what the next project will be.
We were having fun testing the igniter/alc chambers, then I used aluminum foil over the opening and the report was so loud it echoed throughout the neighborhood like a .45 or something, so we put it away.
I'm pretty sure Strmnd54 made a bellows that filled up with smoke, but was compressed by the recoil. It's brilliant, but doesn't push with enough force to look convincing as fire, it looks more like after fire smoking.
We were having fun testing the igniter/alc chambers, then I used aluminum foil over the opening and the report was so loud it echoed throughout the neighborhood like a .45 or something, so we put it away.
I'm pretty sure Strmnd54 made a bellows that filled up with smoke, but was compressed by the recoil. It's brilliant, but doesn't push with enough force to look convincing as fire, it looks more like after fire smoking.
#21
could try a gas airsoft system instead as the base like perry's old one
or could we just feed some powder into the chamber each time it goes to fire?
I remember once messing with a friend's pershing we shot an old roll of paper that was quite dusty; the bb hit at an offset and richochet, but brought up a large dust cloud from the impact- seeing the yellow "shell" hit the ground and ricochet with a sizable cloud of dust was quite an awesome effect
or could we just feed some powder into the chamber each time it goes to fire?
I remember once messing with a friend's pershing we shot an old roll of paper that was quite dusty; the bb hit at an offset and richochet, but brought up a large dust cloud from the impact- seeing the yellow "shell" hit the ground and ricochet with a sizable cloud of dust was quite an awesome effect
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What an amazing effect, great job! The video of how to do it made me sad though hah, should've kept us thinking outside the box!!!
I think just reading over these comments about Co2 and valving through the tank is very creative, along with every other assumption. I may just have to try to invent those ideas.
I think just reading over these comments about Co2 and valving through the tank is very creative, along with every other assumption. I may just have to try to invent those ideas.
#24
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What an amazing effect, great job! The video of how to do it made me sad though hah, should've kept us thinking outside the box!!!
I think just reading over these comments about Co2 and valving through the tank is very creative, along with every other assumption. I may just have to try to invent those ideas.
I think just reading over these comments about Co2 and valving through the tank is very creative, along with every other assumption. I may just have to try to invent those ideas.
#25
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This isn't something I'll use all that often so I'm not overly concerned about doing any damage. But, just to be safe, I do wipe out the barrel with one of those long cotton swabs like they have at the doctor's, but I don't see build-up being a problem.