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Old 11-06-2019, 11:15 AM
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I will say i will not stop knocking them for not putting bearings or thick brass bushings (taigen 75mm sherman) in the wheels, but if it were an m48a3 or m60 variant... i would buy it.
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The model is very nice. Unfortunately I contacted Andrew and he let me know that only would take bank transfer for me...and out of the EU, but I think that for USA orders will take paypal. So my 20 years paypal will not work for Haya, although worked fine for more than 100 vendors during all that period.
I wanted to make a detailed chieftain as I love most of the British tanks and publish a tutorial on www.modelersite.com as I use to do. But looks like my garage will not have a Haya's Chieftain as to transfer from south America or use western union on 2019 is out the question. I used WU on 1983.
Anyway I think that the model worth the price.

By the way here my last one Tiran 5 from hooben kit
Good luck with sales


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Old 11-06-2019, 06:26 PM
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Nice job on the Tiran.
Can't say I've used Western Union. looked at it a few years back, looked a very expensive way to move money.

Had some thoughts on the Chieftain re improvements
Add texture to turret & Glacis, non slip too.
As mentioned previously - the 360 turret rotation kit & 4 X jacking plates to the underside.
Add IR filter to searchlight - red cellophane
Add black What A Job (liquid polymer) to track pads
Vision blocks - replace with acrylic blocks - Gunners & Drivers scopes, cupola too, but also needs the scopes to be angled 15 degrees.
Update it to a later Mk 5/2 by adding MRS & Laser housing - maybe, actually prefer the RMG Chieftain (Mk 5/1).
Checking references - looks like the NBC pack on the back of turret is the early version from Mk 1 & Mk 2 - not Mk 5.
Reference - http://www.armortek.co.uk/Forum3b/vi...5b3925963ca0d0 -

Queries
Are the skirts permanently attached?
Is that an Arkebuza cam net on the barrel - 2nd to last pic? Looks good.

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Old 11-07-2019, 08:50 AM
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Mcovlask, dklm will be selling the chieftain so that is your option.
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Mcovlask, dklm will be selling the chieftain so that is your option.
will dklm have the Haya Chieftain or are they coming out with their own?
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They will be reselling the Haya.
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tankman, Excellent review and photos.The model looks good, plus an interesting tank, for sure. Also, congrats to the design and production team involved. I’ll order one, no intentions to bash it or infrared fight it. Hooah for British Armor. John
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A huge applaud for an excellent looking RC tank! Certainly something that hasn't been done before and an over looked group... British Armor. And thanks to a very detailed review too!

Certainly if we're smart enough to feel we need road wheel bearings, we're smarter enough to install them.
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Originally Posted by mcovalsk View Post
The model is very nice. Unfortunately I contacted Andrew and he let me know that only would take bank transfer for me...and out of the EU, but I think that for USA orders will take paypal. So my 20 years paypal will not work for Haya, although worked fine for more than 100 vendors during all that period.
I wanted to make a detailed chieftain as I love most of the British tanks and publish a tutorial on www.modelersite.com as I use to do. But looks like my garage will not have a Haya's Chieftain as to transfer from south America or use western union on 2019 is out the question. I used WU on 1983.
Anyway I think that the model worth the price.

By the way here my last one Tiran 5 from hooben kit
Good luck with sales
I kinda understand on PP myself. PP allows customers to do some pretty shady stuff if you know what you are doing. With a 180 day return policy and hobbies it can be a scary payment form to accept since they don't tend to follow the seller's site rules. As a buyer I only use PP but as a seller I hate PP almost as much as Amazon.

However the main reason I posted is I wanted to say how much I liked the tank as well. I think it was done very well (I can also confirm this is NOT made by HL) and I wouldn't mind having one myself actually. I think he did a great job here, you can tell there was a lot of work that went into it.
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Originally Posted by Panther F View Post
A huge applaud for an excellent looking RC tank! Certainly something that hasn't been done before and an over looked group... British Armor. And thanks to a very detailed review too!

Certainly if we're smart enough to feel we need road wheel bearings, we're smarter enough to install them.
I think you missed the point that Rich has been making. For an average TYD price of $500-600 for buyers in the U.S. and elsewhere, it should have come standard with at least suspension arm and wheel bushing. We should not have to modify these parts to extend their life. Bearings and/or bushing are pretty much standard on tanks in the same price range. Plastic on plastic has well know wear issues if driven anywhere beyond the safety of the indoor home environment and sadly HAYA knows this, but chose not to address it. Guess it was more important to have an all but useless multi piece barrel.
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Originally Posted by mcovalsk View Post
The model is very nice. Unfortunately I contacted Andrew and he let me know that only would take bank transfer for me...and out of the EU, but I think that for USA orders will take paypal. So my 20 years paypal will not work for Haya, although worked fine for more than 100 vendors during all that period.
I wanted to make a detailed chieftain as I love most of the British tanks and publish a tutorial on www.modelersite.com as I use to do. But looks like my garage will not have a Haya's Chieftain as to transfer from south America or use western union on 2019 is out the question. I used WU on 1983.
Anyway I think that the model worth the price.

By the way here my last one Tiran 5 from hooben kit
Good luck with sales

Beautifully done model you should be proud of.
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Originally Posted by tankman View Post

























The Haya ltd 1/16th scale Chieftain tank review.




The Radio Controlled Tank Regiment have been lucky enough to be given access to the new Haya ltd 1/16th scale RC Chieftain tank.

We were asked by Andrew the project Manger of Haya ltd to review his model and give an honest opinion of this independent company’s first foray into 1/16th scale RC tank design and production.
First impression was that this is a big model, with a nice factory paint job. On closer inspection the details start to make themselves apparent, these are nicely moulded with some unique and innovative design features.

Our first example of this was access to the on/off switch situated under the drivers hatch, no simple lift and turn here. It is held down by two small functional latches. Then it was push down the hatch to disengage the spring lock, and up she pops to clear the hull. So no more scrapped paintwork or snapped hatch’s while gaining access to your on off switch.

Some of the other features that help lift this model out of the ordinary are having a working gun travel lock, functioning lids on the hull storage and tool boxes, metal tow ropes and a cover that can be opened to expose the switchable working searchlight.

As expected the commanders and loaders hatches open to allow figures ( available separately ) and/or the magnetic IR receiver to be mounted on the turret. Another nice touch is the two supplied cloth thermal shroud covers that fit on the 4 piece aluminium barrel that help to give it that authentic Chieftain look.

On this model the aluminium barrel itself will come in four pieces. This will allow you to unscrew it for ease of transport or take it apart of maintenance in the event of a blockage. What blockage I hear you ask ? . Well this model has another feature and that is it can fire BB’s and simultaneously recoil the barrel. More on this feature later.

A couple of observations on these features are the working travel lock can’t be used to hold the gun barrel unless you fit an aftermarket 360 degree rotation ring to the turret as it only turns 320 degree with the standard fitted ring. The opening tool and storage box lids could be prone to damage if not treated with a little care. Stating the obvious we know but well worth mentioning.

Now onto the lower hull features, the main ones being the idler wheels are fitted with bearings and the gearbox drive shafts are supported with bearings as standard.

Also both models have a functioning track adjustment system with an active spring action. This means you can tension the tracks to suite the terrain you will be running your tank on, and if you should get a small bit of debris in the track you have a further 4 to 6mm of compression available in the tensioner system. In theory this will allow the track to “ flex “ to clear the debris rather than break.

The lower hull is well moulded out of good quality ABS plastic and seems quite robust. With Haya ltd and it’s accompanying Welsh dragon logo prominently moulded into the hull bottom. The Chieftain comes in two versions the all plastic base version and the metal pro version.

The plastic version has the standard white nylon gearboxes and plastic track adjustment system, as well as ( Walker Bulldog )plastic tracks, drive and idler wheel.

Whereas the pro has steel CNC cut steel gearboxes, metal track adjuster system and correctly cast Chieftain metal tracks, metal drive and idler wheels.. Both models have a Horstman style suspension and work in the same manner as the real tank.

Upper and lower hull attachment on the Haya ltd Chieftain is via two clips on the front of the upper and lower hull. The rear is held down by screws located under the two fuel filler caps located at the rear of the upper deck. So you just unscrew the two rear screws and lift and pull to release the hull halves. Lower hull flex is no more than in any other plastic hulled model of this size. Once the upper hull is attached and screwed down it’s a good solid model.

However the pro version might benefit from some scratch built additional hull bracing being added by the owner, just to err on the side of caution due to the extra stresses and weight added by the metal parts.

The elevation, rotation and BB unit are the same as those used in Heng Long and other 1/16th scale tanks as these are readily available and cheap to replace if ever the need arises.

We took this opportunity to ask Haya ltd about back up and spares and we were told by Andrew that he will stand by his model and Haya ltd is producing extra mouldings to allow for an additional supply of spares. Haya ltd also pointed out that a lot of the components used in the model were also used by other manufactures in there models. So there is already a supply of spares on the market.

We were also informed that the correct metal tracks for the Chieftain as well as metal drive sprockets, idlers and track tensioner would be available for spares if required or as upgrade parts.

There is also depending on demand a possibility of making metal road wheels with rubber rims. This option is only being considered by Haya ltd as we said and depends on if there is enough interest from the hobby community for these items.

Now we get to the 2.4Ghz control system or brains of the Chieftain. The system has 2 outputs for servos, switched lights on the front and turret allowing for front lights on or off and independent control of the main search light and commanders lights on or off, working brake lights, a choice of 4 different sounds with a 8ohm 4 watt speaker and enclosure giving a reasonable level of volume and sound quality, 3 levels of tank track recoil ( 0-3 ) and a semi Tamiya compatible IR battle system. It is much the same system as currently being fitted to the Heng Long premium metal hulled tanks. Although there are a few design differences between systems.

This means it will take and give hits to most if not all Tamiya compatible IR systems ( it has been tested against Tamiya, El-mod and Heng Long equipped tanks ). It however does not slow down to simulate battle damage as do the Tamiya compatible systems and just stops for a few seconds with flashing lights and a “ wiggle” making it vulnerable. Destruction is indicated with a Tamiya like destroyed sound after 6 shots. The model will reset after about 5 seconds. This puts it at about the medium setting on a Tamiya compatible tank.

Another point worth mentioning is the Chieftain IR range, inside is fine with ranges of over 10m being achieved for giving and taking hits at all angles, that range dropped for taking a hit however in bright sunlight when we went outside to about 5m. We suspect the range would increase if the receiver had fins fitted to reduce IR interference from the sun.

Some clubs may not find favour with this system as an IR battle tank. However RCTR think it a suitable system for “ fun “ battling to introduce new members to the hobby without breaking the bank. But we think it’s probably not best suited to use in a more “ formal” style of IR battling and will keep to the Tamiya compatible systems as the hobby standard for those more serious IR battles. Not knocking the system in any way as for your money you get “quite a bang for your buck” as they say and a good introduction to the IR side of the hobby if that’s your thing.

The system has a stylish 2.4Ghz handset that runs off 4 AAA size batteries and provides a smooth driving experience. Slow speed control is good as are all other inputs. The models lights can be switched on and off from the handset as well as changing the tank sound set and tank recoil jerk. So overall a nice intermediate level control system for an off the shelf RTR tank.

The upper hull and turret are dimensionally accurate and well moulded in high quality ABS plastic and has a lot of detail moulding to catch the eye for an RTR Model and offers a true and accurate rendering of this iconic tank. The two tone factory paint scheme is a reasonably accurate representation of a standard British colour scheme of the period, markings are also representative of this period as well.

One last feature worthy of a mention is the combined BB/recoil system, this system uses a standard HL BB/recoil system, but the recoil is achieved via a servo controlled by the board. So you can fire a BB but have a pro typical recoil action which looks a lot more realistic than a standard recoil unit.

Haya ltd took pains to get this model right. Taking advice from Robert Griffin author of “Chieftain main battle tank “ Consulting blueprints and other reference material, this approach has obviously paid dividends, being endorsed by both Robert and Bovington tank museum.

All in all a good quality model with a lot of features in a RTR tank designed, owned and produced exclusively by Haya ltd a U.K. based company, not cheap by any means, but not that much more expensive than a pro version Torro and cheaper than most of Tamiya’s 1/16th full option offerings. Can you get a production model of this tank cheaper elsewhere I here you ask, short answer is no you can’t as no other manufacturer produces or has plans to produce one at this time. There are other Chieftains out there that are 3d printed that you have to assemble, paint,equip and fit out. When you factor in all those costs and the time you will have to devote to get a running model with all the features mentioned previously you realise it’s not going to be that much, if any cheaper going down that particular road than buying the RTR version with Haya ltd’s full back up and spares service behind it.

We feel it worth mentioning here that RCRT nor any of its members have any financial ties with Haya ltd and that RCTR nor any of its members have asked or received any form of gratuities from Haya ltd or any of its employees for writing this review. Haya ltd has also asked us to let everyone know they are more than happy to answer any questions or concerns people may have about any of there models through there website at :-

https://www.hayaltd.co.uk/
















Interesting review? Sadly it says nothing we did not already know from HAYA product page or videos. You mention multiple time your club was getting "A" tank (meaning singular) for review but the photos are clearly of two or maybe three different tanks. Where are the photos of it being driven outside in the dirt or photos of the the tracks off the tank showing the tensioning system in detail? What I see are photos most likely taken by HAYA that you simply reposted.

Let see your demo Chieftain that HAYA gave you completely taken apart down to the last screw and showing the ins and outs of its workings AKA something new we have not seen, oh and outside and being driven on terrain other then concert or carpet.

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Originally Posted by Fsttanks View Post
I think you missed the point that Rich has been making. For an average TYD price of $500-600 for buyers in the U.S. and elsewhere, it should have come standard with at least suspension arm and wheel bushing. We should not have to modify these parts to extend their life. Bearings and/or bushing are pretty much standard on tanks in the same price range. Plastic on plastic has well know wear issues if driven anywhere beyond the safety of the indoor home environment and sadly HAYA knows this, but chose not to address it. Guess it was more important to have an all but useless multi piece barrel.
Hmm....I have to say that my Tamiya KV-2 was more expensive and I still have to add things to it to make it a better battler like an idler brace for the front and gearbox brace for the rear. I also added bearings to that tank. Yes it had bushings and metal shafts, but I had to mod each wheel and idler to get it to accept bearings instead of the bushing. We have found out now that basically Clark is not pushing to release their tanks anytime soon so the fact that Haya got it done it great even with some shortcomings. As modelers we all determine our own priorities for our builds and how much we are willing to pay.

Haya did say that the reason that bearings or bushings were not included was because the molds were cut without them. Building new molds was an additional expense they could not handle so it was something they wanted to do, but didn't realize it until it was too late. That boils down to inexperience dealing with manufacturing. I don't think the general public realizes just how God awfully expensive getting custom molds costs and how much trial and error goes on to produce a saleable product. These molds are made of steel, designed to be heated, filled, and produce hundreds or thousands of repeatable parts to a very tight tolerance. I guess I'd rather Haya make their first tank, learn from their mistakes, make money, and then reinvest the profits back into making more tanks. The later releases would be better than the first the way HL is continually upgrading their line. I remember HL tanks being pretty expensive in the beginning. They have come way down in price over the years. I will spend the extra money and add bearings to my Chieftain and not think twice about it. I get more pissed when I hear about a $1000 Tamiya tank that "just" has bushings since bearings are cheap. If not addressing this issue was the difference between coming to market and not being able to make any money on the tanks due to remaking molds, I'm glad they came to market.
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Photo Way Above: The Tiran 5 build from the Hooben Kit is impressive! Well done. As to this Cold War rc model’s price point, there are way better RC tank build options for a tough, reliable rc infrared indoor and or outdoor fighter. Get and build any 1/16 Tamiya RC Tank Kit and have fun, my best recommend. I see this new rc model as a good platform to build, detail, paint upon and then add to my Cold War tank collection. Bashing, running and driving/fighting this model in rc club battle games will not be my build direction. The simple goal; happy with a carpet runner and nice looking shelf queen. Though, perhaps Daryl Turner will apply his engineering and fabrication magic to the Haya Chieftain. And if ETO Armor sells the upgrade parts, perhaps I’d build a second purposed as an infrared fighter/basher.
  1. Photos FYI: My Tamiya KV1 Kit was under engineered in regards to the hull bracing, running gear, idler setup etc. Did not piss me off, just commissioned Mr Turner to resolve all the kit issues. Part of the build fun!
  2. Narrowing the sales objections tip: Just set the new Chieftain on a big rock in your backyard and take a photo of it and you’ll make Fsttanks and Rich Johnson really happy!

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Photo Way Above: The Tiran 5 build from the Hooben Kit is impressive! Well done. As to this Cold War rc model’s price point, there are way better RC tank build options for a tough, reliable rc infrared indoor and or outdoor fighter. Get and build any 1/16 Tamiya RC Tank Kit and have fun, my best recommend. I see this new rc model as a good platform to build, detail, paint upon and then add to my Cold War tank collection. Bashing, running and driving/fighting this model in rc club battle games will not be my build direction. The simple goal; happy with a carpet runner and nice looking shelf queen. Though, perhaps Daryl Turner will apply his engineering and fabrication magic to the Haya Chieftain. And if ETO Armor sells the upgrade parts, perhaps I’d build a second purposed as an infrared fighter/basher.
  1. Photos FYI: My Tamiya KV1 Kit was under engineered in regards to the hull bracing, running gear, idler setup etc. Did not piss me off, just commissioned Mr Turner to resolve all the kit issues. Part of the build fun!
  2. Narrowing the sales objections tip: Just set the new Chieftain on a big rock in your backyard and take a photo of it and you’ll make Fsttanks and Rich Johnson really happy!

John








In regards to your last paragraph. You sir are all talk and no show. You talk big online about how great your IR battle tanks and what is needed for a good battle tank YET NEVER have I seen you at any local battles in over two years. So I will drop you a challenge little John. My best against your best at the next LA Tank Club or San Diego Tank Club battle and let’s see who builds the best fighting tanks. Your not afraid to loose to someone who only drives on rocks are you?



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Fast Tanks has been pushing me to drive my tanks harder and push their limits to have fun or find the bugs. I could not have resolved the M60a3 suspension issues without his help in guiding me on torsion bar suspension points and issues.
Ive been driving harder and harder and enjoying it to my own limits, He will always take the high road across the rocks just because his tanks can lol. Myself ive been pushing my shermans etc in my own desert training center near my house and today i blew a tranny in my M50 I just finished... sadly i rebuilt both trannys last year just because to have them new for the tank since they were well used when i got them. Well now i see they are a bit sloppy so im thinking ETO power and looking into that route.
The harder you drive the harder you have to build for.
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In regards to your last paragraph. You sir are all talk and no show. You talk big online about how great your IR battle tanks and what is needed for a good battle tank YET NEVER have I seen you at any local battles in over two years. So I will drop you a challenge little John. My best against your best at the next LA Tank Club or San Diego Tank Club battle and let’s see who builds the best fighting tanks. Your not afraid to loose to someone who only drives on rocks are you?




I am sure you can get anger management help in your area, do seek it. Bud, I have seen your rc tank model photos and they are pretty much all OK, you know, in terms of design, performance, quality and finish. I visited back in 2003, SCAT, the guys who helped me get interested in the rc tank hobby, a club way before your time. They also failed and broke up because all they did was bicker amongst themselves, seemly like you! So the infrared rc club thing holds no interest for me, nor do you. So, please take your belligerent battle offer and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Plus, what makes you think I want to know you? Build a great rc tank model that isn’t photographed sitting on a rock and learn to have some fun in your hobby. Anyway, a photo is worth a 1000 words and my rc tanks have been viewed here for years now. Never said they were great tanks, did say they were built for a designed purpose as defined by Daryl Turner, And ETO Armor. LOL. Though, for sure, there are at least 15 guys out their who bought up all my WWII Tamiya’s and like them, good enough for me, LOL.

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I am sure you can get anger management help in your area, do seek it. Bud, I have seen your rc tank models and they pretty much all, well, you know, in terms of design, performance, quality and finish. I visited back in 2003, SCAT, the guys who got me interested in the rc tank hobby, a club way before your time. They also failed and broke up because all they did was bicker amongst themselves, seemly like like you! So, please take your stupid and belligerent offer and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Plus, what makes you think I want to know you. Build a great rc tank model that isn’t photographed sitting on a rock and learn to have some fun in your hobby.
My tanks perform as combat vehicles and are built accordingly. I am the first to point out the lower level of detail I go for because I know for first hand from IR battling and hard driving use that fine detail work is less durable and pointless once the tank is covered in action dust. But that is something you know little about. It is clear all you are is a static builder which is fine. I knew you could not put you money where your mouth is. You build or have someone else build your shelf queens for you. You talk like you battle but the fact is you know truly little about it. Sorry you will not take my offer of a challenge you might have learned something which is the hobby is changing and your not keeping up and being left behind.




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Fast Tanks has been pushing me to drive my tanks harder and push their limits to have fun or find the bugs. I could not have resolved the M60a3 suspension issues without his help in guiding me on torsion bar suspension points and issues.
Ive been driving harder and harder and enjoying it to my own limits, He will always take the high road across the rocks just because his tanks can lol. Myself ive been pushing my shermans etc in my own desert training center near my house and today i blew a tranny in my M50 I just finished... sadly i rebuilt both trannys last year just because to have them new for the tank since they were well used when i got them. Well now i see they are a bit sloppy so im thinking ETO power and looking into that route.
The harder you drive the harder you have to build for.
Agree.

Tip: Though, for friendly competition I did treat my rc IR tanks like a F1 race car. Once dialed in, I did not run the model for just fun, only for battle days and a bit of practice.
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“You talk like you battle but the fact is you know truly little about it. Sorry you will not take my offer of a challenge you might have learned something which is the hobby is changing and your not keeping up and being left behind.”

So, your also blind. My condolences to you. Mean words from the Heng Long RTR modeler. Don’t care about what you say. Take a look at the Turner hulls, if not blind, purposed built IR fighters, They have every feature you would ever need in a model rc IR tank. Anyway, did the rc IR tank battle game thing from 2003 thru 2010 with friends and moved on. plus sold off most of my tanks and build for myself. This is not a social hobby pal, so go prove your infrared worth against someone who actually cares.

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If you still can trooper, LOL.

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Originally Posted by Pcomm1.v2 View Post
“You talk like you battle but the fact is you know truly little about it. Sorry you will not take my offer of a challenge you might have learned something which is the hobby is changing and your not keeping up and being left behind.”

So, your also blind. My condolences to you. Mean words from the Heng Long RTR modeler. Don’t care about what you say. Take a look at the Turner hulls, if not blind, purposed built IR fighters, They have every feature you would ever need in a model rc IR tank. Anyway, did the rc IR tank battle game thing from 2003 thru 2010 with friends and moved on. plus sold off most of my tanks and build for myself. This is not a social hobby pal, so go prove your infrared worth against someone who actually cares.

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Don’t care about what I say? Sure seems like you do! I will stick by my statement that you are a static builder which is fine and has its place. I was and still am on occasion. I admire a well painted and weathered static models like your Tamiyas. I myself have been building static models for more than 45 years. That said, it is clear by your own words that you have limited battling experience from a rather long time ago and you do not battle your tanks now for whatever your reason. Things have changed in the last 10 years and it’s not just a Tamiya is best game any longer. So please stop acting like you are up to date and know what today’s IR battle tanks need to be good.

Yes I like to build, bash and battle Heng Long tanks and I will be doing the same to the HAYA Chieftain when I receive it. I personally build mediocre low cost RTR tanks up into combat mastering tanks. I do not have someone else build them for me then claim as my own work and how too knowledge. Oh I also own and have owned a fair number of Tamiya tanks, but I find them boring and just are not as much fun, too well engineered and easy to make run well = no challenge for my skill sets. You would not understand this because you are a Tamiya only guy and in it for the static display aspect of the hobby and that’s fine if it’s your thing.

My offer stands to meet on the field of IR combat with your best vs my best. There are two club battles a month here in SoCa. So there is plenty of opportunity to battle or if you prefer just a “drive off” challenge and no battling. I am sure there are many folks that would love to watch. I would love to eat my words and be proven wrong. So the ball is now in your court.

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The chieftain looks good, and I like the searchlight feature. One thing did jump out at me, are those lego studs you are using to hold up the side skirts?
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