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jpvert 12-17-2009 04:15 PM

Airbrush advice
 
I know my question may be not in the right forum but as it is related to painting tank, I decided to post it where the knowledge is :)

I would like to buy an airbrush kit and a compressor. At first, the Testors Mighty Mini was a good and cheap choice to start. But after reading some reviews it seems to be too cheap. The Blue Mini also. So I was looking for Iwata but prices are not in my budget. I'm a little lost and I'm asking for your advice for a good kit (or parts) in the 100-200$ range (maybe a little more). I plan to use it for RCs (tank, lexan body) and plastic model kits (mostly military, starting back after a 20 years break). Any advice will be welcome.
Thank you for your help.

JP

googlydoogly 12-17-2009 04:37 PM

RE: Airbrusk advice
 
Don't buy the Testor's compressor. It's cheap for a reason. Mine broke after 2 days, it has no regulator, and it could never generate enough constant pressure beyond 25 psi.

I use the Craftsman 3 gallon air compressor. It's not really a "hobby" air compressor, and it might be a tad noisy, but I've had this thing for a year, and I can easily switch from 10 psi to 60 psi with a turn of a knob. I bought mine at Sears for $99. Not sure how much it is now though.

Dmon1996 12-17-2009 04:56 PM

RE: Airbrusk advice
 
You will need to decide on how fancy you want to get with your airbrushing. A two stage allows you to regulate the air and the paint flow separately. If you just want to do camo and lexan bodies in a solid or feathered edge painting, you don't need to be fancy. I use a simple single action trigger Badger that is about 20 years old and have no issues.

A website I'm going thru as time allows is this one- free lessons on airbrushing and lots of info to boot!
http://www.howtoairbrush.com/index.php/site/lessons/

I'm planning on branching out and airbrushing a mural on the back of my leather jacket. I've already done simple airbrushing (flames and stensils) on my motorcycle, and if I can get good enough I'll redo my bike with some more elaborate graphics/murals. But for camo and lexan, I've just used my Badger for everything. As for air, I have an old freon tank that I use for air storage from my 30 gallon compressor. This way I have no pulsation coming thru while I paint.

foodstick 12-17-2009 09:08 PM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
I have done some airbrushing in the past..t shirts,helmets,harley tanks,models...I LOVE THIS AIRBRUSH!, and its cheap Vega 2000.
http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/ve20deaiset.html

And as far as a compressor goes, get you a 70-100 dollar small compressor at lowes or home depot etc...it won't run that much, and its best if you can have it out in the garage and run the hose in if its not good weather for painting outside.

this airbrush has a nice smooth trigger, needle tips aren't fragile like the pasche cheapies. Just always clean it good..that is the key !
on any airbrush! the other key is the paint needs to be much thinner than you would think when you first start airbrushing.

streetsquid 12-18-2009 12:58 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
jpvert,
I've been airbrushing for over 30 years. I've had Badger, Pashe, Testor/Aztek, Olympus, and Iwata brushes, single action, dual action, syphon feed, gravity feed, internal mix, I've pretty much run the gambit of airbrushes and compressors.

If you want the Cadillac buy and Iwata with a Smart Jet whisper quiet compressor, it's what i currently use and will set you back about $400 if you don't get it on sale. Next in line would be a nice double action brush from Grexx, but if you are just starting out and aren't looking to make a huge investment, keep it simple. Get a small compressor, and a single action, internal mix, syphon feed airbrush. It will work great for spraying 1/16th scale tanks and camo. Once you master it, then you can always upgrade as your skills and your budget increase.

I have not personally used these particular brushes, but in this month's Model Expo multi-page flyer they advertise a compressor/airbrush combo for $169.99 US Dollars. I checked their website and they have several combo deals that they offer starting at $139.99. Most look like they are out of stock because of the sale, but it might be worth at least checking into.


http://www.modelexpo-online.com/sear...t1_gp%20cat2_b

On the left side of the page - click on painting, then airbrush sets, the combos are down towards the bottom of the page.

Hope this helps at least a little!

Squid

bhop73 12-18-2009 02:28 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
I have an Iwata Eclipse BS with a Sprint Jet compressor. Had it for 5-6 years no issues. Yes you can buy cheaper, but you get what you pay for.

http://www.dixieart.com/Iwata_Eclipse_Airbrush.html
http://www.dixieart.com/Iwata_Sprint...ompressor.html

pcsguy88 12-18-2009 04:26 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
I also use an Iwata Eclipse with a Smart Jet compressor. I picked them up from Hobby Lobby when they had coupons for 50% of any 1 item in the store. My wife grabbed the brush, I grabbed the compressor and we walked out for just over $200. It works great for tank painting and spray tanning the wife. :)

tankinstein 12-18-2009 08:01 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
Hi Jpvert

I have been airbrushing for many years, hobby, motorcycles, wall murals, etc.

These items will work fine for what you are looking for. I prefer the VL-airbrush (2-stage)

press down for air, and pull back for paint, much better control.

The hobby brush is single stage press down for paint and air

It's. ok but not as much control, does have a bigger spray pattern though.

The compressor from Harbor Freight is ok much quiter then the sears (I have both).

Don't. put compressor in garage climate change will cause lots of water in line.

These should be in the $200.00 range to get started.
Have fun and camo your heart out!http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=93657

http://www.micromark.com/PAASCHE-200...-KIT,9116.html

http://www.micromark.com/PAASCHE-MOD...-SET,9009.html

swathdiver 12-18-2009 09:15 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
I think I'm the only one here with one, I use the Tamiya (74520) Spray work compressor and airbrush. It uses our 6-cell batteries for power and is easy to use, operate and clean. For really fine work, I simply attach my Super Fine 74514 airbrush to the compressor.

Never had an issue with moisture and the pressure is not adjustable. Didn't pay those retail prices, found them at Tower, our forum sponsor or on ebay.


http://www.etamiya.com/shop/tamiya-7...br-p-5839.html

https://www.tamiyausa.com/product/it...oduct-id=74514


lthump 12-18-2009 09:49 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
Listen , please. Do not buy the cheapest airbrush!!! They are excactly what you would think. Buy what is a good quality airbrush as it will last many years. Single action or double doesnt matter, you will soon work out what skill level you are,but you will need a good air supply. The most important matter here is your air pressure control. Low pressure ( 15 -25 psi ) is good for direct spraying of 1/16 tankls . This is for tight colour air spray lines on camouflage of tanks in this scale.

jpvert 12-18-2009 10:26 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
Thank you all!
This is more information that I would hope.

I spent some times last night reading the link that Dmon1996 gave.
For want I can understand, any airbrush in the 100$-200$ will be good (for me). It seems that Badger is easy to find in my local shops. So I will certainly take it. Other choices (like Paasche, Iwata and Vega) will have to be ordered. In one of my local shops, they give free beginner lesson : this will help me to have a good start.

For the compressor, the choice is not easy : I live in a flat and the noise will have to be minimum. Iwata Smart Jet has good reviews and some of you recommanded it. I hope to find it locally to really listen for the noise level. I'm sure that any compressor from hardware store will be impossible to use (wife will not allow this).

JP

streetsquid 12-18-2009 11:26 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
jpvert,
I don't know if you have Hobby Lobby or a Michael's there in Canada, but if you do, try them. Remember that models are just one thing airbrushes are used for, try art supply stores, specialty paint stores (think automotive) etc.

Like psguy88 I bought my Iwata and compressor at Hobby Lobby, they have printable 40% off coupons available on their website just about every week. My Iwata Eclipse HPCS which retails for $149.99 and the Smart Jet Compressor has a retail price of $249.99, which is why I stated earlier if you pay full retail will set you back about $400 (US Dollars) only cost me about $250 after using the coupons. It's like buying the compressor and getting the brush for free!

The Iwata Smart Jet compressor is truly whisper quiet and extremely high quality. It was originally designed with T-shirt artists in mind, and if you have ever seen them do their work on the malls, you never even here their compressor. Over this past week I've been working on a large project (simultaneously painting 4 Tamiya tanks) that has pulled me away from my model bench and has me working on my dining room table. My family has been sitting less than 15 feet away watching television and has not had to even turn the volume up to hear over the top of the running compressor. The other day I was talking to one of my club mates on the phone, and he just piped off "I hate you - your compressor is so quiet!" He knew that while I was talking to him I continued airbrushing a tank, and even though the compressor was right at my feet, he still couldn't hear it running through the phone receiver.

You stated that an airbrush between $100-200 dollars would be good for you, and that noise is a concern because of where you live. If you can afford it, you seriously can't go wrong with the Iwata combo - it truly is the BEST game in town, as I also stated earlier, if you can find a way to afford it by the Cadillac!!!!

Squid

jpvert 12-18-2009 12:42 PM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
Unfortunately, there is no Hobby Lobby store in Canada (according to the website).
Towerhobbies have them both and I think I have some coupons. A quick look to the local store shows that it will cost 580 $CDN (545 $USD) for the kit. Overpriced, if you ask me.

jpvert 12-19-2009 12:55 PM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
I saw this today while doing some shopping :

[link]http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/1/CompressorsAirTools/Compressors/PRD~0587936P/Mastercraft%2B2-Gallon%2BAir%2BCompressor%2Bwith%2BAccessories.jsp[/link]

It is currently in special at 69.99$.
I was able to plug it and hear it : the noive level is very good, maybe not the lowest one but good enough for me. I think the tank is an advantage. It misses a water trap but I could add one.
Will it be good for airbrushing ? I can buy one and test it, they offer a 30 days full refund.

JP

RSEA 12-20-2009 01:22 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 

Quote:

ORIGINAL: pcsguy88

I also use an Iwata Eclipse with a Smart Jet compressor. I picked them up from Hobby Lobby when they had coupons for 50% of any 1 item in the store. My wife grabbed the brush, I grabbed the compressor and we walked out for just over $200. It works great for tank painting and spray tanning the wife. :)
This has got to be one of the best reasons I can think of for being married! Hmm, maybe I should consider finding a wife so I can get a compressor and a new airbrush [sm=regular_smile.gif]

pcsguy88 12-20-2009 02:06 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 
Quote:

ORIGINAL: RSEA


Quote:

ORIGINAL: pcsguy88

I also use an Iwata Eclipse with a Smart Jet compressor. I picked them up from Hobby Lobby when they had coupons for 50% of any 1 item in the store. My wife grabbed the brush, I grabbed the compressor and we walked out for just over $200. It works great for tank painting and spray tanning the wife. :)


This has got to be one of the best reasons I can think of for being married! Hmm, maybe I should consider finding a wife so I can get a compressor and a new airbrush [sm=regular_smile.gif]
The best part about it is she thinks it was her idea to get an airbrush and thinks I'm doing her a favor while spraying her. [sm=surprised.gif]

taoJ 12-20-2009 05:11 AM

RE: Airbrush advice
 

Quote:

ORIGINAL: RSEA


Quote:

ORIGINAL: pcsguy88

I also use an Iwata Eclipse with a Smart Jet compressor. I picked them up from Hobby Lobby when they had coupons for 50% of any 1 item in the store. My wife grabbed the brush, I grabbed the compressor and we walked out for just over $200. It works great for tank painting and spray tanning the wife. :)
This has got to be one of the best reasons I can think of for being married! Hmm, maybe I should consider finding a wife so I can get a compressor and a new airbrush [sm=regular_smile.gif]
Sometimes i think your better off staying single and paying triple for the compressor and air brush, prob save you alot of stress and heartache, LOL, please dont tell my wife http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...sn/biggrin.gif

Rebellion13 12-20-2009 02:16 PM

RE: Airbrush advice
 

Quote:

ORIGINAL: pcsguy88

Quote:

ORIGINAL: RSEA


Quote:

ORIGINAL: pcsguy88

I also use an Iwata Eclipse with a Smart Jet compressor. I picked them up from Hobby Lobby when they had coupons for 50% of any 1 item in the store. My wife grabbed the brush, I grabbed the compressor and we walked out for just over $200. It works great for tank painting and spray tanning the wife. :)


This has got to be one of the best reasons I can think of for being married! Hmm, maybe I should consider finding a wife so I can get a compressor and a new airbrush [sm=regular_smile.gif]
The best part about it is she thinks it was her idea to get an airbrush and thinks I'm doing her a favor while spraying her. [sm=surprised.gif]
Just remember while spraying her that Tamiya Acrylics are hard to remove from skin:D


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