What makes a 1/8th scale a 1/8th scale
03-27-2013, 05:28 AM
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What makes a 1/8th scale a 1/8th scale
I was wondering if i got the 17mm hex rim/tire conversion for my Ten-T, if it will now be a 1/8th scale. The reason I am asking is that i was looking at the Losi 810, which is a 1/8th scale but it uses the exact same chassis as my Ten-T. Actually, it is pretty much the same vehicle, just bigger tires, and a different body. I dont understand how they call this a 1/8th scale and the Ten-T a 1/10th scale. Any insite on this?
03-27-2013, 06:07 AM
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RE: What makes a 1/8th scale a 1/8th scale
It depends if you are considering this from the perspective of racing class and racing rules, or from the perspective of relative size. If I remember correctly, the 810 is smaller than a real truggy.
If you are taking it from the perspective of relative size, you need only really take into account the wheelbase.
If you mean it from the theoretical/racing perspective, a 1/8th buggy or truck (aka Truggy) must have...
4WD
3 diffs, front center and rear
A wing
Must take 1/8th size wheels and tires
Must have a pan chassis
Direct drive to the center differential
Must be powered by a .21 engine or a 42mm motor or bigger
Open wheels (except the very rare cases of the HPI Apache SC and the Associated SC8 which have covered wheels due to the fact they are short course reproductions based on existing 1/8th buggy/truggy chassis and therefore are considered rightly, as true 1/8ths).
I think that's about it, but I may have missed something. I don't know the Ten-T intimately myself to be able to make a judgment about whether or not it becomes a true 1/8th once you put true 1/8th wheels and tires on it, but if it has the same wheelbase as a 1/8th truggy and about the same width, I'd say you're cool. Otherwise, the difference is going to be the size. This is my Xray truggy, does it look much bigger than your Ten-T? If not, then call it a truggy.
If you are taking it from the perspective of relative size, you need only really take into account the wheelbase.
If you mean it from the theoretical/racing perspective, a 1/8th buggy or truck (aka Truggy) must have...
4WD
3 diffs, front center and rear
A wing
Must take 1/8th size wheels and tires
Must have a pan chassis
Direct drive to the center differential
Must be powered by a .21 engine or a 42mm motor or bigger
Open wheels (except the very rare cases of the HPI Apache SC and the Associated SC8 which have covered wheels due to the fact they are short course reproductions based on existing 1/8th buggy/truggy chassis and therefore are considered rightly, as true 1/8ths).
I think that's about it, but I may have missed something. I don't know the Ten-T intimately myself to be able to make a judgment about whether or not it becomes a true 1/8th once you put true 1/8th wheels and tires on it, but if it has the same wheelbase as a 1/8th truggy and about the same width, I'd say you're cool. Otherwise, the difference is going to be the size. This is my Xray truggy, does it look much bigger than your Ten-T? If not, then call it a truggy.
03-27-2013, 06:27 AM
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RE: What makes a 1/8th scale a 1/8th scale
Yes it looks about the same size, has a fin, tub chassis, but I am not sure about the wheel base. From front to rear looks the same, but from side to side, maybe not. That is why I was considering buying the 17mm wheel conversion kit. Is yours a 1/8th scale? I will post images of mine soon.
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RE: What makes a 1/8th scale a 1/8th scale
Yes, this is a bonafide, full size, true 1/8th, standard width, with 0 offset wheels.
A 17mm conversion set is never a bad idea, regardless whether or not it makes it a 'true' 1/8th truggy, it is definitely worth doing.
A 17mm conversion set is never a bad idea, regardless whether or not it makes it a 'true' 1/8th truggy, it is definitely worth doing.
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RE: What makes a 1/8th scale a 1/8th scale
Yeh, those carss are significantly smaller than my Xray (length and width both).
I figured it out for you, I just went and looked at some measurements.
The Ten-T is as you correctly note, based on the 810 chassis, which is technically a 1/8th buggy, though is still a tiny touch smaller than a Losi 8ight 2.0 buggy (about 30mm). So what Losi did was to make a truggy based on the 300mm wheelbase 810. They didn't really have much of a choice but to call it a Ten-t, as it is a truggy with a buggy chassis, fully 8 centimeters shorter than my Xray for example.
So there's your answer, the wheelbase of your Ten-T is significantly shorter than a true 1/8th truggy which should have a wheelbase around the 380mm mark. Essentially, you have a converted 1/8th buggy to truggy without the long wheelbase chassis swap that other models undergo when transformed from buggy to truggy.
Personally, with a wheelbase difference that big, I would not be comfortable with someone saying that the Ten-T is a 'real truggy', as it technically isn't, being very noticeably a smaller car all around.
The 17mm hub swap is still a good idea.
I figured it out for you, I just went and looked at some measurements.
The Ten-T is as you correctly note, based on the 810 chassis, which is technically a 1/8th buggy, though is still a tiny touch smaller than a Losi 8ight 2.0 buggy (about 30mm). So what Losi did was to make a truggy based on the 300mm wheelbase 810. They didn't really have much of a choice but to call it a Ten-t, as it is a truggy with a buggy chassis, fully 8 centimeters shorter than my Xray for example.
So there's your answer, the wheelbase of your Ten-T is significantly shorter than a true 1/8th truggy which should have a wheelbase around the 380mm mark. Essentially, you have a converted 1/8th buggy to truggy without the long wheelbase chassis swap that other models undergo when transformed from buggy to truggy.
Personally, with a wheelbase difference that big, I would not be comfortable with someone saying that the Ten-T is a 'real truggy', as it technically isn't, being very noticeably a smaller car all around.
The 17mm hub swap is still a good idea.
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Yeh, those carss are significantly smaller than my Xray (length and width both).
I figured it out for you, I just went and looked at some measurements.
The Ten-T is as you correctly note, based on the 810 chassis, which is technically a 1/8th buggy, though is still a tiny touch smaller than a Losi 8ight 2.0 buggy (about 30mm). So what Losi did was to make a truggy based on the 300mm wheelbase 810. They didn't really have much of a choice but to call it a Ten-t, as it is a truggy with a buggy chassis, fully 8 centimeters shorter than my Xray for example.
So there's your answer, the wheelbase of your Ten-T is significantly shorter than a true 1/8th truggy which should have a wheelbase around the 380mm mark. Essentially, you have a converted 1/8th buggy to truggy without the long wheelbase chassis swap that other models undergo when transformed from buggy to truggy.
Personally, with a wheelbase difference that big, I would not be comfortable with someone saying that the Ten-T is a 'real truggy', as it technically isn't, being very noticeably a smaller car all around.
The 17mm hub swap is still a good idea.
I figured it out for you, I just went and looked at some measurements.
The Ten-T is as you correctly note, based on the 810 chassis, which is technically a 1/8th buggy, though is still a tiny touch smaller than a Losi 8ight 2.0 buggy (about 30mm). So what Losi did was to make a truggy based on the 300mm wheelbase 810. They didn't really have much of a choice but to call it a Ten-t, as it is a truggy with a buggy chassis, fully 8 centimeters shorter than my Xray for example.
So there's your answer, the wheelbase of your Ten-T is significantly shorter than a true 1/8th truggy which should have a wheelbase around the 380mm mark. Essentially, you have a converted 1/8th buggy to truggy without the long wheelbase chassis swap that other models undergo when transformed from buggy to truggy.
Personally, with a wheelbase difference that big, I would not be comfortable with someone saying that the Ten-T is a 'real truggy', as it technically isn't, being very noticeably a smaller car all around.
The 17mm hub swap is still a good idea.
Keep in mind that the 810 is a buggy and not a truggy, so the size difference is not massive from mainstream 1/8 buggys. Putting truggy tires on a buggy is never a good idea and the 810 is no exception.
As far as racing, most rules (at least ROAR) list maximums. So people that run a .19 O.S.Speed (which is somewhat popular for indoor tracks) are legal). The killer for the 810 would be that it is probably under weight. Although at club races, it's not unheard of for 810's to be raced in the 1/8 buggy class.
