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Old 02-25-2018, 03:10 PM
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hello at all,
i'm a fan of crawlers and scalers, but for some time i'mkeen on short courses and truggys... i need advice for electric 4wd RTR vehicle to buy, at the moment i was considering:
-Arrma Talion BLX 2018 version
-Arrma Senton BLX 2018 version
-Traxxas Slash 4X4 Platinum
What do you think of these? Do you have any other means to recommend me?
My budget is around 5-600 for the complete vehicle (i could do without radio and receiver because i already have it at home) the use would be almost exclusively speed bashing... i'm looking for a vehicle with toughness and a good driveability and jumps very well, so many people advise me a truggy compared a short course...
thanks in advance to anyone who will help me...
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:13 AM
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Arrma for the win! The Talion has your name written all over it . I think that thing was designed for all you speed freaks .

If you had all the electronics (radio, receiver, ESC, motor, servo) waiting to be put into something, then I would tell you to just get one of the truggy kits out there in the www.

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Old 02-26-2018, 01:00 PM
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Tahnks for the help RustyUs...
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Old 02-27-2018, 01:42 PM
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i saw now the Mugen Seiki MBX7 T R-Eco, Tekno ET48.3 and Serpent Cobra E-Truggy... what do you thik abouth it? Logically the final price would be very different compared to the Talion RTR, but the technical specification are really so different to justify the price different? This truggy is good only for racing or also for bashing? Which is the difference? Sorry for too much question but is my first truggy....

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Old 02-28-2018, 04:22 PM
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I just got me the Talion and its a blast. I got it so my dog and something to chase and its crazy fast. you wont be sorry if you get it
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The Mugen, Seki and Serpent, are bona fide racing platforms. And chances are, they are kits, and only include the chassis parts. Wheels, tires, body, and motor system and servo NOT included! Go with the Arrma.
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i saw Serpent make also a RTR version of Cobra truggy code:600039 and the price is similar to Arrma Talion... which is the best?

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Old 03-01-2018, 04:15 PM
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I'd be just taking a guess, but possibly the Serpent's arms have a composite that makes them stiffer. In general, 1/8 scale buggies and truggies are a tough bunch, no matter which one you choose. If you can, watch/read all the reviews of any platform you are thinking about purchasing.
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And stiffer could mean more brittle when it comes to bashing, which ain't good. Depending on where you live, parts for one may be more readily available. I don't see much in the way of aftermarket support for Serpent compared to Arrma. Things to consider.
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the indecision that remains is whether to take a new RTR between the Arrma Talion or the Serpent Cobra, towards the Serpent (I contacted the importer who has confirmed to me that all the spare parts and optional parts for the kit can be mounted also on the RTR version, so the chances of improvement increase dramatically as well as having already fitted as standard chassis and towers in ergal against the aluminum of Arrma) or a kit used ... the most recommended are:
-Mugen Seiki MBX-7TR ECO
-Tekno ET48.3
-Serpent Cobra E-truggy kit
-TLR 8ight-T 3.0
-SWORKz S35-TE
if I had to take a kit used as an ESC and motor servo, what would you recommend? Radio and receiver do not need me ...
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Tekin RX4, Castle Mamba Max Pro, just about any ESC of 120 Amps or greater. Castle makes great motors. Virtually no maintenance. For eighth scale, people usually get 550-sized motors in the 1800-2000kv range. And you'll need at least two 2S LiPo batteries. Or two 3S packs, depending on the specified max voltage of the ESC. I'm a big fan of Gens Ace Lipo packs. Get packs with at least a 60C discharge rating. And an infrared thermometer to monitor your motor temps.
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though an Italian forum recommended the SWORKz Zeus, what are the differences with the other kits? In particular with S35 TE, Mugen and TLR which are the ones i would have found used now...
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Mmmm.... can't help you there. Anyone else?
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in the end i decided to go to a used kit (i'm evaulating some) but would all be without electronics... i was looking at these combos:
-Hobbywing XR8 Plus with 2200KV 4268SD motor
-Hobbywing XR8 Plus with 2250KV 4274SD motor
what are the differences of the two motors?
-Castle Creations Mamba Monster X with 2200KV 1515 motor
servo:
Savox:
-SAVSV1271SG
-SAVSV1272SG
-SAVSB2274SG
-SAVSB2273SG
-SAVSB2274SG-CE
-SAVSB2273SG-CE
Blue Bird BMS-28A
what do you recommend?
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Originally Posted by Belvis View Post
in the end i decided to go to a used kit (i'm evaulating some) but would all be without electronics... i was looking at these combos:
-Hobbywing XR8 Plus with 2200KV 4268SD motor (42mmx68mm)
-Hobbywing XR8 Plus with 2250KV 4274SD motor(42mmx74mm)
what are the differences of the two motors?
-Castle Creations Mamba Monster X with 2200KV 1515 motor
servo:
Savox:
-SAVSV1271SG
-SAVSV1272SG
-SAVSB2274SG
-SAVSB2273SG
-SAVSB2274SG-CE
-SAVSB2273SG-CE
Blue Bird BMS-28A
what do you recommend?
The one motor has a longer can. For a truggy, I'd go with the 74mm motor. I run a 200oz.-in servo on my 1/8 buggy, and that's perfect for my bashing purposes. I'm not sure on the torque and speed of those servos you listed, but for bigger truggy tires, you are gonna want no less than 250 oz-in of torque and somewhere around 0.10 sec./60 deg. That's where I would start looking anyway. Not everyone has the same needs.Tons of servos out there. Just be aware of specs on the HV (high voltage) servos. If you are going the HV route, check with ESC's BEC output and make sure your receiver is up for the task.
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I agree with Rusty about the motor. The longer motor can will give you more torque, and the higher kv number means higher RPM.

The BEC in the ESC is the Battery Elimination Circuit, which powers your receiver and servo. Some ESCs have a BEC that's programmable for voltage output. This is handy if you run high voltage servos. But, this is important, your receiver may not handle that voltage, so check your specs!

I know lots of people run Savox servos, but they are power hogs, and some BECs can get "brown out" where the servo tries to draw more current than the BEC can supply, which causes the voltage to drop and funny things happen. I recommend Hitec servos.
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good... in the end the choice went on a used TLR 8ight TE 3.0...
as an electronics i thought:
-ESC Hobbywing XR8 Plus
-Tenshock X812 6 poles 2150KV motor
-heat sink with one or two fan tips what do you recommend?
-Blue Bird BLS-29A servo
-battery Turnigy Heavy Duty 4S 5000mAh 60C
or
-bettery Turnigy Graphene 4S 5000mAh 65C
what do you think about?
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I think, if I search right, the Heavy Duty, and Graphene packs are softcases? I'd recommend getingt a hardcase pack for off-road use. But, I have, and do use some softcase LiPo packs. I just make sure they are very secure; no/slim chance of LiPo being knocked around on a pebble or something entering the chassis. If you do plan on racing, check with track rules for using hardcased packs.
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no, i don't want racing... only use for fun...
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And not to put too fine a point on it, but you do understand the amount of energy you're dealing with in Lipo batteries, right? These things need to be handled with a certain amount of care. There's a reason we use hard case packs in off road cars especially. To prevent the potential for puncture and fire. That's why ROAR requires them. They don't cost much, if any, more than soft packs. Buy hard packs. And you're buying a Lipo charger too, right?

AFAIK, "Graphene" Lipo batteries are not really graphene, as the technology hasn't yet been perfected, at least in any high volume that it's available in RC. So it's just a marketing ploy. Don't pay extra for them.
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i already have it, this is not my first RC car...
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I was strongly advised to take hard case batteries ...
I saw that there are promotions on Hobbyking and the indecision is between these 2:
https://hobbyking.com/it_it/5600mah-...pack-2s2p.html
https://hobbyking.com/it_it/graphene...connector.html
I thought to take 4 batteries of the first to work in parallel for when I want to do jumps and more uneven steps to have a more balanced means of weight and take a Graphene for when I want to drive ignorance in the parking lot view the highest discharge ( 90C against 70C) ... what do you think? Considering also the prices (€ 32.56 the pair against € 52.79) ...
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in the end I took the Graphene 4S 5000mAH 90C Hard Case ... I still wanted to ask you better to mount it a servo save? Also as a heat sink with fan to cool the engine what do you recommend? The motor measures 42X74mm ...
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You can do whatever you want. I would not put a fan on a motor. As far as a servo saver goes...there is one built into the 8ight-T's bellcrank.
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