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Old 12-03-2010, 09:34 PM
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How did they eliminate the gap between the wing and the fuselage?
Plug in wings Mike. The break is at the inboard edge of the first white stripe.

That's a pretty good idea...
Old 12-03-2010, 09:38 PM
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The gear is set up to easily fly the model.

That does not sound promising for scale enthusiests. Care to elaborate?
I agree. We don't care if they're easy to fly. Are we not men? We desire scale.
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

then get a kit... you'll never get 'scale' with an arf.
Old 12-04-2010, 05:32 AM
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

I agree that the paint may be accurate, but it may not be the ideal choice for the new big bird.
How about something different than the traditional colors?
I like this scheme from the Canadian ace James Francis Edwards:
http://www.aviationartstore.com/imag...rds_osprey.jpg
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An easy solution to this would be to simply offer this plane in an unpainted version as are some of the other KMP products
Old 12-04-2010, 08:15 AM
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

I have never seen so much winning
Just give the company some ideas
I think the idea of having a ARF that big and it looks good
If you want scale, start the build, its winter
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I have never seen so much winning
Who's winning only losing I can see; maybe you mean whinning
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i second that.
Old 12-04-2010, 01:33 PM
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Yeah yeah that's right

I third that,,,,, whata bunch a wonderful fella's
Old 12-04-2010, 09:23 PM
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

then get a kit... you'll never get 'scale' with an arf.
What law in the modeling universe makes it impossible to have an ARF with a correct outline and proper colors? I find it amusing that many small foam parkyard warbirds have better outlines than models more than twice their size. It does not really take too much more effort to make things right before putting a product into production. I am not fond of having to squint or stand far away from a model to make it look better.
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

PLEASE,,, revisit the shape of the:

1. Wing fillet- a very prominent feature of the Spitfire and very poorly done on this model. Next would be the under side 'Gull wing' connection to the fuselage.

2. Canopy/Frame- Just look at some pictures of actual aircraft and do it right.

3. Rudder- Wrong shape on yours guys. Look at a profile picture and copy it.

4. Position of the U/C. A compromise of scale and usability would be good. Just make sure the retracted angle in the wing is close.

The paint scheme and other small oddities can be fixed by the modeller but the issues above to fix would be out of the ability of most or too time consuming when you just want to get your new model in the air.
I know it is an ARF BUT these small changes will make it look like a really NICE ARF!!

That is what I would like to see any way.

If you are going off this 'Reference' picture for the colour scheme remember it is just some blocks interpretation of the colour.

Cheers,

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does he mean winning, whinning, or....whining?
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really... are we NOT men? Would scale gear be too difficult for us?
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

Ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,MEN


Name an ARF company that is deaad nuts scale

Even BV planes are not spot on, just using an example


Its kind of like a walt Disney movie, I have been on here sense 2001 and its like a whole new group of kids come on here, i WANT i WANT

Good lord, its and ARF
How many of you guy's on here have scratched built a plane ?
How many of you guy's have judged a contest ?

Dave
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire


ORIGINAL: Scale Specialties

then get a kit... you'll never get 'scale' with an arf.
What law in the modeling universe makes it impossible to have an ARF with a correct outline and proper colors?
the law that states produce an ARF as cheap as possible and charge the customer the most amount of money
for it.
Old 12-05-2010, 08:54 AM
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then get a kit... you'll never get 'scale' with an arf.
What law in the modeling universe makes it impossible to have an ARF with a correct outline and proper colors?
the law that states produce an ARF as cheap as possible and charge the customer the most amount of money
for it.

A wise sage said earlier in this thread: "If you want scale, build it yourself" Can you do it at less cost than this ARF?

Regards, Richard
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ORIGINAL: Scale Specialties

then get a kit... you'll never get 'scale' with an arf.
What law in the modeling universe makes it impossible to have an ARF with a correct outline and proper colors?
the law that states produce an ARF as cheap as possible and charge the customer the most amount of money
for it.

A wise sage said earlier in this thread: "If you want scale, build it yourself" Can you do it at less cost than this ARF?

Regards, Richard
well my Top Flite kit cost $212 to my door. the same in an Arf would cost $350. both needs servo's, engines, radio gear,
etc, etc, etc. its boils down to what mytime is worth. I don't charge myself to build.. mabey I should?

anyways,

this sounds like I'm bashing arf's.. I'm not. but take most arf's as they are... scale(ish).
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well my Top Flite kit cost $212 to my door. the same in an Arf would cost $350. both needs servo's, engines, radio gear,
etc, etc, etc. its boils down to what my time is worth. I don't charge myself to build.. mabey I should?

anyways,

this sounds like I'm bashing arf's.. I'm not. but take most arf's as they are... scale(ish).
You cite the need for servos, radio, and engine for both, but the kit also requires adhesives, covering material. finishing materials, tank, wheels, hardware, engine mount, etc, which add quite a bit to the build cost. It is easy to overlook some of these as we usually have some of the bits leftover from re-kitting or retiring a model. But, the cost IS there, and can be significant. I prefer fabric coverings and dope finish, but have given away to Solartex, or polyester dress lining for covering with WBP, for cost as well as environmental (my lung health) reasons.

I am a builder, most of my planes dating from 1953 have been scratch built from either my own designs or from plans. I am now retired and should have all the time in the world to build, but, at least sometimes I buy an ARF. I do think it costs more to build a kit or from scratch.

Coimments from the peanut gallery? Anyone?

Sincerely, Richard
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Default RE: KMP's New 88.5 Spitfire

but if your gonna redo an arf to a more scale appearence, you'll need the same supplies as for a kit...
I was just commenting on the need for some people who add the scale touches to an arf. I tried to
make my former Kyosho more scale like... but the flat board used on the production fin & stab made
it look way out. guess the fin and stab almost being a 1:7 scale on a 1:8 plane didn't help either. and
Kyosho is one of the more scale-like arf's out there. cmp's 120 P-40 has 1:6 wings, and a 1:5 fuse looks
stupid. all needs major reworking.
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I agree completely. I have a nice (out of production) Spitfire ARF that likely is not very scale, but it looks ok to me. I am looking for a Pica Spit kit. I had one lined up but the owner who flys electric only said his dad wanted it to convert to a Typhoon? So, I am still looking.

I also have the TF AT-6 ARF, because I once flew the full scale one, and did not want to wait to build it.

Happy Hobbydays to You and Yours,



Sincerely, Richard
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Happy Hobbydays to You and Yours,



Sincerely, Richard
thanks! same to you!

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Hi All: As always anyone can order a primered only aircraft from us. We usually only have a few available but certinaly is a doable thing.

I am open to other color schemes, please post suggestions as was done in an earier post. As people know we do have the JEJ Color scheme already out there from ESM. We wanted to offer this version with Invasion stripes. Its always hard to please everyone we know. We do try our best though
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I have owned and flown the Platt 1/5 scale, Yellow 1/5 scale, and the Pica 1/5 scale Spitfires and all have been very lady like on the ground with the gear in the scale location. I personally don't see any need for the gear on a Spit this big to be changed from scale but that's just my .02 cents. At most the gear may need to be raked forward slightly more than scale to prevent nose-overs for those guys who fly off of grass. On pavement I never had any nose over problems with any of my Spits.
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The beauty of the mounting angle of the spitfire gear: they end up near the leading edge which is about perfect.
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I have no issue with any of the ARF's out there. I am quite pleased that they are available to any and all levels of modelers. My earlier statement was made to show that a properly shaped fuse, canopy, wing, etc. can be made at no extra manufacturing expense than a wrongly shaped part. A little more homework up front is all that is needed. If you want to ignorantly believe that because a model is an arf, it is relatively inexpensive, and as such you must accept innaccuaracy as gospel, you are foolish. I fully expect in the not too distant future there will be a company that is able to effectively blend all these ingredients to make an accurate yet affordable prefab'd or arf model. Just wait and see....

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