JackL

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I'm looking for any info on the Petrausch 1/4.5 fw-190. How accurate is it? Is it a good kit? The photos on Vogelsang Aeroscale's website look great, but would like to hear from someone who has seen one in person. Was thinking of building the Vailly Fw-190, but would rather have a composite airframe if the Petrausch kit is as accurate.

dvs1

If your looking for composite and 100% scale accuracy I would buy the 1/5 scale Sist FW-190, in my opinion nothing is better.

The vailly is good, but not as accurate, it can be made so however. Go onto rcscalebuilder and look up Hello82's build on his Vailly, it is perfect.

Nothing has to be done to the Sist. Unfortunately you do pay for what you get and it is spendy.

kwik

Hello Jack,

I have the Vailly Fw and the Sist myself.

They cannot be compared, since Sist is buildt for you, and you must build the Vailly yourselves.

It would be like comparing apples and oranges.

Do you want to build your own plane, or just fly something someone else has buildt?

If you just want to fly, and then compare Sist and Petrauch;

How big a plane do you want? The size-difference of a A series Sist, and the Petrauch is quite substantial.

I think the Sist has one detail that a feinsmekker wont like; The wing-tips are simply too thick.

And the Petrauch seems to have too big ailerons? Might be just imagination?

Otherwise looks like Sist and Petrauch is of about the same quality.

Very nice, in other words.

Okay, lets just say it; They are fantastic.

But I care more for my Vailly, since I put so many hours into it.

husafreak

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Hey if you are still looking for a Fw 190 Vogelsang Aeroscale has them in stock now, I believe he has the SiSt 1/5 and 1/4 and I just bought the Petrausch 1/4.5. I chose the Petrausch over the 1/5 SiSt for flying quality and a reasonable (for me) amount of work and expense. They weigh almost the same and cost almost the same but of course the Petrausch is bigger. It looks to be very close to scale. The 1/4 SiSt is of course the best, but it costs almost double in the end and it is much more work to assemble. For starters you must cover the wood flight control surfaces with fabric. This kit is for the top level of competition or someone who has the time and focus. Call Gotz and check them out!

ticketec

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Really?

I thought that Sist had still not restarted production of the Fw-190 1:5 kit's and the 1:4 have never been released? it would be great to hear that stephan has restarted production!

Thanks

dave

BobH

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Stephan has the 1/4 size listed on his web site as being released.

I would also add that I'm pretty sure the larger plane weighs more. My 1/5 weighs right at 28lbs. I haven't CG'ed yet so there's another 3-4 lbs.

Using similar constrution methods the 1/4 going to be 5+pounds heavier. But.. you have a larger airframe, more lift, bigger engine etc.

husafreak

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I was told that this is it for the SiSt kits. They are available and SiSt may stop production permanently after this run...

Ramstein44

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if you don't find the composit fuse you're looking for, look at the Don Smith FW190A. Same size as the Vailly but designed around Bentley drawing so it's scale. Fuse is designed to built in half but on it's side which is real interesting and saves time.

husafreak

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Ah well, we still haven't determined if the Petrausch is very accurate or not. Looking to Ramstein44 signature I would imagine he would be able to tell but only if he had one to look at.

glazier808

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Trust me, the man knows his 190's....

Casey

Ramstein44

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Thanks Glazier

I'd prefer the SIST having had them all however the Petrausch looks good. I think the only reason ive never touched this kit is due to the sist. Once i had it, I didnt see the need. I've seen a build on one from Germany when they came out. Google it and you may find the link.

Good luck[8D]

Pictures is your bird under construction. Not mine.

husafreak

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The build thread for the Petrausch on RCScalebuilder.com is also good. You should email Vogelsang Aeroscale to get pics of the SiSt 1/4 scale kit, it looks fantastic!

invertmast

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I believe the sist 1/4 scale also uses "scale" landing gear, in that the gear is as authentic to the original as possible utilizing the same strut angles and all. I inquired this time last year to sist about some parts and the 1/4 scale.. he didn't have a price then, but he said to expect around $5k usd for the kit and another $1900 to 2500 for the landing gear...

Ramstein44

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I was sent pictures when it was released the guys there just wanted to let me know that there was another project for me to drool over. I have their site in the favorites and when things slow down around the end of the year, I plan to get one if they're still available. Maybe in a few months and just tell the wife that Ive had it for ever or unveil it after the closing. until then, I have the 1/5 scale Anton waiting.

ticketec

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Hey Ram,

Any pictures you can share with the rest of us to droop over??

The Petrausch Fw you posted the pic's is for sale at the moment on a German Rc forum. $3000 Euro's.

I wonder if Stephan built the 1:4 scale around these retracts?

http://www.as-scaleparts.de/7.html

Thanks

dave

BobH

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Pretty cool retracts! No doubt Stephan's kit will be outstanding. As mentioned before, my only complaint about the 1/5 kit is weight and wing tip thickness.

I have a Saito 300 twin nitro for power. It "should" fly ok. I just wish it were lighter.

husafreak

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The SiSt 1/4 uses air retracts. The quote I got was 1245 for the gear plus 240 for a downlock system. I believe 3895 for the kit and then add spinner/fanwheel and scale hinges. Plus shipping. Not for the faint of heart!

Ramstein44

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1/4 scale can be financially painful but then again, it is 1/4 scale.

Hey ticketec, I'll shoot you an email of what I have on her. I think the ones on site are better as the ones I have are from the engineering process to prototype.

Figure the SIST will cost roughly 8,000 when completed if you do her justice give or take a few hundred. Better have a heavy duty diaper on when maiden time comes..

Ramstein44

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scatolina

Hello
I have to decide if to but 190 Sist or Petrausch 190 One.
Petrausch is in stock...Sist will be ready in Febrairy!
Does Sist remain the better?
Please are you so kind to explain better why it is so good?
For scale?
For quality?
Thanks
Claudio

kwik

Claudio, I saw your mail. I think the answers anyone can give is here, in this thread.Mostly.

All the kits have their faults.One way or another.

The Sist 1/4 has, as far as I could see in Oberhausen the same thick wingtip as the 1/5.
Not neccessary on a 1/4 scale Fw wing,They give plenty lift.

Maybe someone could post a close up picture of the Sist wingtip; I might remember wrong.

Petrauch 1/4 has too long ailerons, if I remember correctly.Totally unneccessary, since scale hinged ailerons on a FW are unbelieveable effective.

Vailly 1/4.5 has a slightly wrong shape of the fin and rudder, but can be fixed, And the fuse under,after the wing is perhaps a bit too fat.
Only 1/2 cm or so.Perhaps. Old style drawings. Nice thin wing-tips. Can be flown veeery slow with full flaps, and gives a warning before stall by wiggling the tail.

Don Smith drawings are quite accurate, it seems.

Getting Sist spare parts can take several months....

If you want to build, and is a die hard scalenut, perhaps Don Smith is best? (Or do the modifications needed on the Vailly.)

If you want composite all done, and is a die hard scalenut, perhaps Petrauch is best?
(You could modify the ailerons on Petrauch. Modify a wingtip is next to impossible)

I don't know how easy it will be with spare parts for the Petrauch in the future....will it be easier than for the Sist?

It is an unbelieveable amount of work making such a kit, so no wonder one gets a bit worn out after such an effort. And therefore it will take a bit of time getting a new wing for example.

Or perhaps you are a perfect pilot, and won't need spare parts.

....not possible to judge all this for you, I think you must judge for yourself.

scatolina

Dear Kwik,
Thank you very much!
I am very happy you write and very useful info!
So probably Sist 1/5 is the better if we consider all things...
Yes the time to delivery a kit is very long, if I order today I'll have the kit in Febraury
Really a lon time.
I agree it is not an easy choice and the problem is one:
I like all planes but I can buy only one ahah!

For example I discover this brand too:
http://www.p51dmustang.de/index.html
I don't know them...
But they seems very good too.
Thanks, ciao
Claudio

BobH

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Don smiths 190 has a too shallow wing section for the gear. It needs to be altered.
Ram, what engine are you using in your sist?

husafreak

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Tough decision for sure, I know the Sist 1/5 is a great "kit" and will make a great scale plane. But I chose the Petrausch 1/4.5 for its flying qualities. It is very light and can be flown very slowly, so in and out of tighter runways. I am more interested in flying it than displaying it at a high level of competition. But it is not so much a kit as just the fiberglass parts. The builder is left completely on their own for producing some kind of structure to reinforce the fuselage and mount the engine and gear. Where I believe the Sist is a proper kit.

scatolina

Thanks for your opinion!
ciao
Claudio