Desertlakesflying

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If those men hadn't given their lives they wouldn't have been free to enjoy life.

I see a common theme here.

What about the price the world would be paying still today had that price not been paid then?

I think it is a drop in the bucket compared to the alternative, let's not lose sight of that any time there is a war.

As long as humanity are imperfect, war will be inevitable.

Oberst

The " What if " is the thing we won't ever know.


Pete

ram3500-RCU

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Opinions vary, and emotion is involved. I try not to let what other people think bother me or sway my convictions. I build and fly war birds (and others types of coarse) but in no way do I think war itself is glorious or desirable. I would rather have seen these wonderful flying machines developed to prevent war, in a cold war sorta way, never having been used for death and destruction.

My father-in-law shares my feelings. He jumped out of a C47 into Korea, one month later was captured, and spent 3 years in their torturous prison camps. I think he was one of only three in his barracks that survived. It was a couple decades before he would even talk about it, other than in his sleep. He is 80 now.

Mankind needs to find a better way, is all I'm saying. We are smarter than this.

Experten109/40

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listen, every livingthing on this planet goes to 'war". probably every living thing in this universe does too.
fantasies of a peaceful co-existance is a dream. period. bleeding heart liberals have that love and peace
in the world mentality. that way of thinking will get one killed. its in our nature to kill. to conqoure, & to
explore. then do it all over again. even in peace time you must prepare for war. whether its domestic or
foriegn threats.

Mk23socom

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I agree with this Mr 109. Ihave always believed, and always will, "to secure peace is to prepare for war.". Somebody always wants what you have, or at the very least, doesnt want you to have it because they dont. Squabbles over territory will always be, for crying out loud I watched two cats in a series of pictures fighting over a spot on the carpet that had catnip spilled on it. The North American continent is absolutely rich in all kinds of natural resources from oil and coal to precious heavy metals and timber. To say that those other countries out there dont want what we have is complete bunk. They want what we have, but they know the price to pay to have our resources is too great to warrant any action.. so instead their leaders have made deals with ours so that we are selling all of our stuff overseas.. slowly hamstringing ourselves..

ram3500-RCU

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I think that is what I said, is it not? "Cold War".

Mk23socom

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Indeed Gary!!

Oberst

Sorry, I have little faith in mankind. I don't think mankind is smart enough, people are pretty stupid as a whole.




Honorable Men avoid War at all costs, and only go to war when there is no choice. I like you to tell the Swiss that everything goes to War, again I agree with the statement you haven't seen the worst of Man or you wouldn't be writing such young comments.

I'm a Reagan Conservitive and a member of the Tea Party here in the United States and my who family seen War in its worst. My Dad and Uncles fought so I wouldn't have to see War. So far I was lucky enough. I have a sence of human value, and I don't like killing or be put in situations that people want to kill me.

Patriotism goes right out the door, and saving ones arse becomes more important in battle. Both sides of a conflict always feel they are in the right. Anyone who says that they're not afraid of war are liars, or very nieave.

Kill or be killed is an awful way of living ones life.


Pete

Experten109/40

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the swiss were too busy handying Germans over to the russians so they wouldn't become a sattelite state.
fricken cowards.


so your saying I havn't seen the worst in life? really.. I seen a guy walk up to another guy at the BAR pull out
a gun a blow the back ofthe other guyshead off.. so yah, I seen the worst.

also seen the worst in Cyprus. Damn muslim turks have zero problems pointing a 47 at anybody in a
uniform.

I like President Reagan & the Tea Party too.. I voted PC up here. our PM hates Obama by the way LOL.

my young comments eh? lol. so what? I have to be 90 and never served a day for my comments to be
valid? get real...

kill or be killed, well that what those terroists are trying to do to us. I like to be prepared. well in their case
they kill themselves to kill us. or did you miss what happened on 9/11?

Oberst

Wow! Look at all the people in the Lurker Room eating popcorn! LOL







Pete

Gooseman240

Chalk me up, where is the popcorn?... no comment other than great historical reference that started this discussion. Always was curious of the numbers of hardware pushed out compared to others.

Whistling Death

Every time I start to feel like a warhawk I look at my 20 year old son and suddenly that thought is gone.
Just because someone wants to avoid war doesn't make them a liberal.
In some cases it makes them wise.

Anyway this thread is spiraling off topic.

Oberst

Kind of makes you stop and think don't it?



Well said. I guess I was the guilty one in getting the Thread off track, I shouldn't have gotten so thin skinned.



Pete

ram3500-RCU

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You absolutely made me LOL!!!!! How do you do this ?

BOLTMAN

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Guys,

When I posted this I did not intend to start any arguments, only to share some fascinating info regarding the cost and numbers of machines involved.

I am sure that you would all agree that the human cost was nothing short of horiffic.

Cheers

Mick

David Bathe

It has taken on a slightly different angle from the original thread start... but that only reflects that folks, from all walks of life (certainly me) are startin' to wake up. People are become a great deal more geo-politically aware about these wars and conflicts our leaders are SO KEEN to incourage. 

ram3500-RCU

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I think we can tend to disconnect from the reality of it all, when we love the hardware as we do.

Even WWII pilots will say, during interviews, that it was plane against plane, till they actually saw an enemy pilot eject or were close enough to see them struggle to get out, as some were. They will say that those images never go away.

Ram-bro

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Daviid, what you are saying or implyiing iis not truelly correct. War is a bad thing and right now no matter what anyone says or how much we sing kumby ya my Lord....there will be conflict and different ways to resole them with war not even being the ultimate or final solution it seems. Wars have for the most part been wars of Ideology and politics. When you imply that the free world (USA) is out looking for trouble I say your 50% correct. There are others doing just the same. china is not th einnocent bystander you paiint them to be. Saber rattleing doesnt always show up as gun boat diplomacy. There is economical attacks and threats, cyber threats and attacks. You have the borderless religious aspects of this world that threaten yours and my freedom. I gather that you would just say sit back and become isolationists again. We tried that and we were dragged into 2 world wars. The woorld is one big borderless society....as can be seen with rcuniverse with the free exchange of ideas, thoughts and freedoms. Look what facebook has done in its short life. I really dont know what Ia m trying to say but as long as there are people there willbe war. Are you willing to give up your car and the gas and oil that is required to keep it and society going? that is what makes theworld go around and that seems to be where our conflicts reside. We are all apart of the problem.

Johnnie Red

Hey David Bathe

I think that you are right to the core!!!

For the ones that care to expand their perspectives....Check Zeitgeist 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

and for the ones that have watched this there is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9...eature=related

I think that we all must wake up and see what somepeople are doing to the rest . And this didn't start today or yesterday.

David Bathe

' Red there is just so much of it out there... thank goodness for the internet, independent news sources and citizen journalism.

hellcat56

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WhiteRook

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ever read SLEDGE PATROL? BY DAVID HOWARTH , its about the germans going into greenland and a band of greenlanders
trying to get them out