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Old 06-08-2011, 11:19 AM
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No disagreement on any of your points over CARF kits ..... they are that stunning that personally I'd give up my 'left one' to be able to have one.
Where I sit is that I'm still needing to learn a lot re building not having built one previously, and still feel I need to get a lot more stick time on smaller (60-120 sized) warbirds before risking taking to the skies with such an amazing aircraft - as in my opinion, even though it makes sense to me that they should be easier to fly than the smaller ones re their scale (god knows that's true for RC heli's), I feel one should be a very proficient scale flyer to give justice to such an aircraft, and I'm not - YET!
So for now, I'll wait to build my kit, enjoy and follow your builds with great enthusiasm (and a little envy if I'm honest), and keep in mine that old theory of "one step at a time".
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Hello Richard.
I'm building the P47 but I have two problem.
Do you have pics of the tailgear mount because there is no munt to adapt the Sierra tail gear to the Internal Mount....?
Do you Have also a pics showing the connection beetween the flap to the flap pushrod's?
Thanks a lot.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:53 AM
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HERE YOU GO
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:35 AM
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THnaks a lot richard.
Could you give me the dimension of the Tail gear mount? and the location of the hole?
Thanks a lot.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:44 AM
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Fifou,

I am sorry, but I cannot provide that information as it is too difficult to get inside the plane to acquire.
You should have received the tail gear mounting adapter plate (plywood) with the kit. IF you did not, get in touch with your CARF dealer and obtain the plate.

The flap clevisis were missing in my kit, but CARF sent them to me.
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P-47 fans:
Mine is getting close to DONE. Will likely be flown before all paint, detail and weathering is completed.
Balance is very, very close to perfect. Engine run up needs to be performed, along with prop check for proper pitch/rpm.
A bit more retract exercise, then it's up, up, and away

Builders Manual is at 105 pages. After first flights, I can close the book (literally) on the manual and make it available to CARF.
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Old 06-09-2011, 03:30 PM
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Richard,
Looking great. Can't wait to hear the flight results.
How many servos will I need? Are there 4 or 2 servos for flaps?
Thanks

TJ
Old 06-09-2011, 04:18 PM
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ONE SERVO per surface, with the exception of elevator, which uses ONE SERVO for both elevator halves.
If you want to save yourself some grief, use JR8611s all the way around. All servo pockets and mounting holes are cut for this servo.

The 8611 is bullet proof. Probably a bit overkill for this bird, but I suggest you take no chances/cut no corners.

I am using Hitec 7955TG servos all around simply because I am a rebel at heart
Seriously, I arranged with Hitec long before I realized the pockets were all cut for JR.
I have used the 7955TG on my last 3 giant scale aircraft, including IMAC and 3D types, and they perform great.

For simplicity sake, if I were to do it again, I would just go with JRs.
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:18 PM
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Yep, that was my plan, 8611's all around (control surfaces). Just wasn't sure on the number of flap servos. Hopefully my Jug will be on the next boat, still expecting in Jul.
Thanks for all help. Looking forward to get the manual.
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Hello Richard.
Thanks for all your information.
Do you have pics of the ajustement of the part n°7 (in your first post) in the cowl?
Can you explain where goes the 4 phenolic parts n°25.
Thanks a lot.
Best regards.
Philippe
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HERE YOU GO.
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:10 AM
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Thanks a lot.
So do you use only 2 phenolic parts? Where do you use the others?
Regards.
Fifou
Old 06-10-2011, 11:55 AM
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When I was checking out Andreas' P-47 at Joe Nall, it sure looked like there were two servos on the flaps, but, obviously, I was mistaken!
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Only two are used.
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Hello Tnkas for your answers Richard.
I'm building mine folowing your information thanks a lot.
One more point I have a question
You have use the Comp ARF pneumatic set. In this there is 2 air cylinders. Could you give me the spec of this please?
Are they there

[link=http://www.robart.com/products/38-x-1-stroke-air-cylinder]1'' cylinder[/link]

or there

[link=http://www.robart.com/products/38-x-12-stroke-air-cylinder]1/2'' cylinder[/link]


Thanks a lot.
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Old 06-12-2011, 12:45 PM
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Looks great Richard, and to be fair I (personally guys) feel that that 'Bonnie' scheme is one of the best ways to really show off the Razorback lines ....
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The P-47 pneumatic kit comes with the Robart 165 (NOT the 165s)
http://www.robart.com/products/38-x-...e-air-cylinder
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Thanks a lot Richard.
Best regards.
Philippe
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Hi, Richard

Which throws do you use for the flaps, ailerons and elevators?
Where is your CG placed?

Thanks,

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Balance and Flying
The airplane balances at 25% of cord at the wing root. Measure back from the leading edge 15.5 cm - This is the correct location of the Center of Gravity. Achieve the proper CG by shifting components inside the aircraft. Battery Packs are generally the heaviest items inside the aircraft; they can be positioned to achieve balance. A “worst case scenario” will require the addition of nose or tail weight to arrive at the proper CG.
DO NOT FLY UNTIL CORRECT CG HAS BEEN ACHIEVED!

Control Throws
Ailerons and Rudder are mechanically limited by the aircraft structure and should be set for maximum travel without binding. Flaps should be set for maximum deflection, assuming the flap pushrod is on the outermost hole of the flap servo control horn (as pictured in the manual). Flaps should also be set up on a proportional channel on your radio so that any flap setting can be dialed in. Elevator travel is set to 2 cm up and 2 cm down.
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P-47 fans:

Things are getting exciting as mine continues to come to life (amazing what a bit o' paint will do)[8D]

Only 3 more stars and bars and one more black fuselage band and all the painting is DONE!
Some additional weathering (which, btw, NEVER FRIGGIN ENDS!!!) and the kill markings, and she will be officially ready to christen and launch!
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Old 06-14-2011, 10:05 PM
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Hi, Richard,

Thanks a lot!

The jug is really coming to life, I can see!

Best

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ORIGINAL: RichardGee

P-47 fans:

Things are getting exciting as mine continues to come to life (amazing what a bit o' paint will do)[8D]

Only 3 more stars and bars and one more black fuselage band and all the painting is DONE!
Some additional weathering (which, btw, NEVER FRIGGIN ENDS!!!) and the kill markings, and she will be officially ready to christen and launch!
RICHARD IT,S LOOKING BETTER EVERY DAY ,Can,t wait to get home and start on mine ,Are you going to do a wash on your,s .
REGARDS
JOHN
Old 06-15-2011, 02:09 AM
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Hi Richard

Great work!

I can't wait to hear your report on the maidenflight, I hope you will be posting a video or two! It's flying season over here in the high north, so I will not be starting my build in earnest until the fall sometime.

Cheers

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A "wash" not so much in the Dave Platt method, but yes, I will be spraying a very thinned mixture of dirt and grime shaded paints over various areas and working them into the nooks and crannies.

A conventional wash will not work well, however, until the main body panels have been roughed up a bit, either via Scotch Brite pad or very fine wet dry sandpaper. The wash just will not adhere evenly to the glossy surface.

Weathering will remain a work in progress for some time to come, but in the meantime, main areas of painting and first flights can be accomplished and Builders Manual COMPLETED.


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