Dash7ATP

Chris,

This is a great idea and I wish it had been available last year when I was finishing up my P-47, BigAssBird II. The only problem Isee is one thead is quickly going to get so large that it will take forever to pick out the details of a single type of plane. You have some great details on the P-47 and Ithink they belong in a Thread for the P-47 alone. I'm suggesting that someone who has a lot of photos of a particular Typesuch as you do , or the Glacier Girl, do a thread of that type, It could be called P-47 Bubble Top, or Razorback, P-38, , P-51 A, B, C, or D, etc. This way, you wouldn't have to wade through what could easily become thousands of photos looking for one detail.

MODERATORS - can you help set up something like this?

Dash

Frank Ts Stuff

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Great idea for a thread! Good Luck. I will try to contribute when I can.

Thanks!
Sean

uncljoe

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Chris
I like your idea on this thread,but as Dash said its going to be quite large & will need some kind of index .Also, I would put the max photos (12) on each post .
Semper Fi
Joe

ram3500-RCU

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I did index's for my 'in service' thread. It takes some time, but is helpful. The problem I ran into is that RCU 'closes' the posts after a while. They are still there, but you can't edit them. This prevents the index from being in the first post, where it is easy to find. If this could be fixed, an index would be easy to maintain.

Another tool I use a lot, when a thread gets large, is the "gallery" tool at the top of the page of every thread with pictures. You click it and get only the pictures in that thread. Much easier to file through the thumbnails of the pictures to find what you need.

I don't like the idea of a hundred different threads. This one central source can work IMO.

denoferth

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P-38 from Movie Land of the Air many years ago.

MANFRED

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Ok I'll bite

Jetjockgb

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Hi Chris

What a great start to this thread, I have been pondering on a nice chrome scheme for my 1/3.7 P47, and you have found me one!!!
It also makes such a difference when the right camera is used and of course the right guy using it, you have managed to capture all those loverly rivets, most good books don't even get this.
So Chris can you post as may pics of this scheme as pos or can you do a disc for me???

Cheers G

darren763

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Nice photo's great idea please keep it up!!!!


Thanks to all who add photo's,

Darren

Chris Nicastro

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All good suggestions guys and Im in favor of whatever works best I was just using the thread to start this project. Its a living document in my opinion so it will have to evolve.

I dont post more than 2-3 photos due to the limit of 6000K so I post a couple higher quality shots at a time and turn them to portrait 90deg. RCU has this strange setting that portrait photos can be enlarged so I'm taking advantage of that for your benefit. The photos I'm taking are larger than print, format more like poster size, because my camera is 18 mega pixels so the photos in JPEG format are on the order of 5-6meg's each. I'm reducing them to 1024x768 and 240 DPI and 2000K for each photo.

Ive been into scale modeling for most of my life and never see the detail in the photos like I'm shooting here. I have tons of books and videos and they dont capture the essence of the plane detailed surfaces or sometimes the details themselves. I have a huge archive of photos Ive taken of all kinds of planes and just this past weekend I shot over 260 photos in 1 hour at the museum of the P-47, P-51, FW 190 D-13, Me 109E, Spitfire, MKIV, Hurricane. I have hundreds more photos like these.

So lets come to a consensus on how to use and set up this thread and then make it work.

Experten109/40

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problem here is that for me personally, I prefer original wartime photos to capture the essence of our beloved planes.oil canning, dents, dings, chips, scapes, grease, weathering, etc is where its at. pics of "modern" restorations are full of wrongness. don't get me wrong, people who want to copy the restored birds to the letter is all fine and dandy, but theres the other side of the coin that want to emulate almost exacty how those birds appeared during wartime. all thisis just my personal opinion.

Chris Nicastro

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While thats a valid opinion the point of this archive is to consolidate as much information as possible in a detailed manner of the planes in question. It makes no difference if the plane is restored or from an old photo for our purposes here. The idea is to post close ups. I have a ton of books showing the planes is action. None of them come close to the detail Ive posted. The perfect restorations from TFHC are as good as the day the plane was built, that is their emphasis and the purpose of the museums existence. They preserve the planes to an exacting standard so that means you have a chance to see a plane that has been rolled back in time to the way it looked the day it was made. From there you can add "the story" of how it was used in its theater of war. If you dont have a good basis for your project then your work is only as good as your resources and grainy war time photos will never reveal the true detail of the planes. Use those photos to see the general wear and tear for sure but how about the surface detail of the planes construction? Not possible with the photos I have and have seen. I have a bunch of coffee table books as well and all of those just show beauty shots and glossy surfaces, very nice photos but not good enough for certain info needs.

The best artwork in history has layers of information to develop the final work. If you start your scale warbird project with the most accurate information first then your project will have that essence of the real thing that others miss. It can make the difference in a scale contest and in your documentation folder when presenting and if for nothing else for that sense of accomplishment when you know for certain you nailed it.
What you do have to do is weed through the bad restorations and converted race planes that dont represent the plane correctly....that is unless thats what your modelling.

Chris Nicastro

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I can post more photos of the Jug this weekend no problem.

Chris

Experten109/40

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point taken.. but even 68 year old photos can be very detailed & high quality.these pics are much larger.. had to dumb them down to post.

ram3500-RCU

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Yes. The paint distressing and weathering is near the last steps in the process, and don't mean a lot if they are on an inaccurate surface.

Get the panel lines, hatches, doors, grips, bumps and blisters, rivets, welds, zoots (don't know how to spell that), vents, guns, cameras, lights, antennas, pylons, etc., in the right places and in the correct scale, and the overall finish looks so much more scale.

That is where this type of resource will be invaluable. All too many pictures are taken from a distance and just don't show these important details. I have had to do my best guess in the past on much of this.

This will be very nice to have.

Chris Nicastro

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Awesome see that is what this is all about. Great shots too, its rare to find these quality photos so if you can post more of them that would be appreciated. Thanks for posting!

ram3500-RCU

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Good pictures, but see what they show? IMO, they are excellent for exhaust trails and overall appearance, but not for rivet detail and other fasteners, for example.

Experten109/40

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like I said the originals were dumbed down. the original size is 3840 x 2652. you can zoom in 400% and see a flea hit on the fuse clear as day

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I see what your saying though.. but those pics do show 1000's of of details too..

ram3500-RCU

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Yes, that is true. Debating the value of period pictures is pointless. Obviously they are very valuable to scale builders. In addition to these resources, pictures taken of specific details on excising aircraft will also prove invaluable.

jeffEE

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Great Idea. This is a test to see if my photos are clear enough to be of any value.

jeffEE

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Well, the A26 looks ok, so here is a Mustang.

jeffEE

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That at the time of the photos was in Austin, Minnesota.

jeffEE

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Not to many rc B-52's out there, but you never know.

jeffEE

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A Corsair, and one I am not sure fits in the theme, but its a great shot of the Bearcat motor. If its not right for this space, let me know I will toss it out.

spaceworm

KC-135 detail:

spaceworm

T-6, Chippie, PT, Bobcat: