Whats a warbird?
03-19-2011, 10:50 AM
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Here is another good opinion. I have been fighting with my U.P.2 valve leaking for over a week. replaced all the O-rings, new grease and it still leaks. That frustration definitly makes my mustang a warbird. If you cuss at it, it is a warbird.[:@]
03-19-2011, 10:52 AM
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Here is another good opinion. I have been fighting with my U.P.2 valve leaking for over a week. replaced all the O-rings, new grease and it still leaks. That frustration definitly makes my mustang a warbird. If you cuss at it, it is a warbird.[:@]
Here is another good opinion. I have been fighting with my U.P.2 valve leaking for over a week. replaced all the O-rings, new grease and it still leaks. That frustration definitly makes my mustang a warbird. If you cuss at it, it is a warbird.[:@]
Gerry
03-19-2011, 11:21 AM
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yes my friend just one more opinion but if we stick to RC warbird I can tell you that its all about wingloading .
Take the Hanger 9 corsair its a sport plane that looks like a warbird . Fool yourself into thinking you can fly a warbird because you have mastered a hanger 9 corsair , and move into a kit build Gold Edition P40 and you will see very quickly what a warbird is in the world of RC .
This is not directed at you Flak , I know your experienced , its a discussion in general
Take the Hanger 9 corsair its a sport plane that looks like a warbird . Fool yourself into thinking you can fly a warbird because you have mastered a hanger 9 corsair , and move into a kit build Gold Edition P40 and you will see very quickly what a warbird is in the world of RC .
This is not directed at you Flak , I know your experienced , its a discussion in general
03-19-2011, 12:02 PM
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RE: Whats a warbird?
LDM,
I have never had a Hangar 9 Airplane. I have built and flown kit P-40's, both the red box TF P-40 and the Gold Edition P-40. However, I try to explain to those who have no experience how to do it, what to expect, and to practice on a simulator first. I still remember my first take of with my first Warbird, a Spitfire. The video of my TF Gold Edition P-51 shows how even a seasoned pilot can make a mistake now and then. These are flight characteristics, and do not pertain to the question here, which is, "What is a Warbird"? In the event this were a thread on Warbird Flight Characteristics, I would advise to think of a Warbird as "Flying Brick" that wants to torque and yaw left of takeoff, defies gravity through horsepower, hates cross wind landings, and does not stop flying until it has stopped moving and the engine is shut off!
I have never had a Hangar 9 Airplane. I have built and flown kit P-40's, both the red box TF P-40 and the Gold Edition P-40. However, I try to explain to those who have no experience how to do it, what to expect, and to practice on a simulator first. I still remember my first take of with my first Warbird, a Spitfire. The video of my TF Gold Edition P-51 shows how even a seasoned pilot can make a mistake now and then. These are flight characteristics, and do not pertain to the question here, which is, "What is a Warbird"? In the event this were a thread on Warbird Flight Characteristics, I would advise to think of a Warbird as "Flying Brick" that wants to torque and yaw left of takeoff, defies gravity through horsepower, hates cross wind landings, and does not stop flying until it has stopped moving and the engine is shut off!
03-19-2011, 01:05 PM
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Are you guys saying that an R/C warbird must be built héavy to look and feel credible, or that you have not discovered building methods that let you build them light enough to be benign?
(serious question, no trolling)
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ORIGINAL: perttime
Are you guys saying that an R/C warbird must be built héavy to look and feel credible, or that you have not discovered building methods that let you build them light enough to be benign?
(serious question, no trolling)
Are you guys saying that an R/C warbird must be built héavy to look and feel credible, or that you have not discovered building methods that let you build them light enough to be benign?
(serious question, no trolling)
03-19-2011, 01:19 PM
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That is a great comment . I am building an Fw190 that typically comes in at 17 to 19lbs , I have it fully loaded with retracts all around , interior , air powered canopy , pilot ect at 15lbs .
My point is that many of them(kits ) come in very heavy , regardless of your building skill . Many arfs that are not designed properly are really bag when finsihed .
Example , the KMP Typhoon original verison needed 5lbs to achieve CG , that is a 19 pound model published in man magizine vs the box published weight of 14lbs .
So what could the author have done ? MOve the servos forward in the fuse , move the wing servos ahead of the CG by building servos bozes and turning the servos on there side , useed a larger engine then the one selected and got rid of the KMP wheels that are way to heavy .
I also build the red box P40 , (dream to fly ) Gold Edition (really challenge me because I did not build it light enought ) Pica 1/6 P40 a dream because I hollowed everything out .
So to answer your question , no we do know how to build them light , but many of them have higher then normal wing loading .
My point is that many of them(kits ) come in very heavy , regardless of your building skill . Many arfs that are not designed properly are really bag when finsihed .
Example , the KMP Typhoon original verison needed 5lbs to achieve CG , that is a 19 pound model published in man magizine vs the box published weight of 14lbs .
So what could the author have done ? MOve the servos forward in the fuse , move the wing servos ahead of the CG by building servos bozes and turning the servos on there side , useed a larger engine then the one selected and got rid of the KMP wheels that are way to heavy .
I also build the red box P40 , (dream to fly ) Gold Edition (really challenge me because I did not build it light enought ) Pica 1/6 P40 a dream because I hollowed everything out .
So to answer your question , no we do know how to build them light , but many of them have higher then normal wing loading .
03-19-2011, 01:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: Experten109/40
well yah.. warbirds arn't 3D flyin' extra 300's yah know.
well yah.. warbirds arn't 3D flyin' extra 300's yah know.
I've been watching a scratch build on a local forum. The guy cannot tolerate harsh chemicals so he is working on another electric foamy (sort of
). One concern has been that if it ends up too light it won't look right when there's much wind. At least the latex paint is heavy...
03-19-2011, 02:05 PM
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ORIGINAL: LDM
That is a great comment . I am building an Fw190 that typically comes in at 17 to 19lbs , I have it fully loaded with retracts all around , interior , air powered canopy , pilot ect at 15lbs .
My point is that many of them(kits ) come in very heavy , regardless of your building skill . Many arfs that are not designed properly are really bag when finsihed .
Example , the KMP Typhoon original verison needed 5lbs to achieve CG , that is a 19 pound model published in man magizine vs the box published weight of 14lbs .
So what could the author have done ? MOve the servos forward in the fuse , move the wing servos ahead of the CG by building servos bozes and turning the servos on there side , useed a larger engine then the one selected and got rid of the KMP wheels that are way to heavy .
I also build the red box P40 , (dream to fly ) Gold Edition (really challenge me because I did not build it light enought ) Pica 1/6 P40 a dream because I hollowed everything out .
So to answer your question , no we do know how to build them light , but many of them have higher then normal wing loading .
That is a great comment . I am building an Fw190 that typically comes in at 17 to 19lbs , I have it fully loaded with retracts all around , interior , air powered canopy , pilot ect at 15lbs .
My point is that many of them(kits ) come in very heavy , regardless of your building skill . Many arfs that are not designed properly are really bag when finsihed .
Example , the KMP Typhoon original verison needed 5lbs to achieve CG , that is a 19 pound model published in man magizine vs the box published weight of 14lbs .
So what could the author have done ? MOve the servos forward in the fuse , move the wing servos ahead of the CG by building servos bozes and turning the servos on there side , useed a larger engine then the one selected and got rid of the KMP wheels that are way to heavy .
I also build the red box P40 , (dream to fly ) Gold Edition (really challenge me because I did not build it light enought ) Pica 1/6 P40 a dream because I hollowed everything out .
So to answer your question , no we do know how to build them light , but many of them have higher then normal wing loading .
Top Flite has now 3 nice giant warbird ARFS, the first was the P51, then the P-47, and now the P-40. I have to think they are way lighter than the kit-built versions (I could be mistaken). Do you know if they are any lighter?
Gerry
03-19-2011, 03:20 PM
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ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Well, if it was operated by the armed forces, and is not in activity, by definition this cub it is a warbird. Funny, each person (RC pilots) seem to have a different definition in mind. Quite frankly, the only thing that matters is that the organizer of the event you will fly at does not object. If I cover a WWI Taube blue (because I had the covering and/or because I like the color) most likely they will let me fly it at a wabird meet. Of course, at a scale contest, it would be a different story. I have seen J-2 cubs of all colors (inlcuding yellow) at all warbirds meets I attended:-) Nobody ever objected. For me, this hobby is all about having fun. And is someone wants to fly a F-15, F-16 o Raptor at a warbird meet I have no problem because there I never met an airplane I do not like:-)
Now, if you ask for the definition of the term "warbird" I would stick to the definition of the EEAA
Happy landings
Gerry
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Kahloq;
You don't win this one, sorry. If you will re-read this it tells you the J-3 and Civil Air Patrol was taken over by the government to be part of the armed forces and part of the war machine. All of the yellow J-3 Cub's were not painted green.
This Piper J-3 represents the contributions of the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to the U.S. Air Force. The CAP was organized on Dec. 1, 1941, under the Office of Civilian Defense and in 1943 was transferred to the War Department. During World War II, CAP members flying their personal aircraft, such as the J-3, hunted for enemy submarines along the U.S. coasts, reported damaged ships, towed aerial targets, and delivered high priority orders of vital war materials.
Here are pictures and they are ''yellow'' J-3 Cub's...,,,,.....
Thanks,
Kahloq;
You don't win this one, sorry. If you will re-read this it tells you the J-3 and Civil Air Patrol was taken over by the government to be part of the armed forces and part of the war machine. All of the yellow J-3 Cub's were not painted green.
This Piper J-3 represents the contributions of the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to the U.S. Air Force. The CAP was organized on Dec. 1, 1941, under the Office of Civilian Defense and in 1943 was transferred to the War Department. During World War II, CAP members flying their personal aircraft, such as the J-3, hunted for enemy submarines along the U.S. coasts, reported damaged ships, towed aerial targets, and delivered high priority orders of vital war materials.
Here are pictures and they are ''yellow'' J-3 Cub's...,,,,.....
Thanks,
Well, if it was operated by the armed forces, and is not in activity, by definition this cub it is a warbird. Funny, each person (RC pilots) seem to have a different definition in mind. Quite frankly, the only thing that matters is that the organizer of the event you will fly at does not object. If I cover a WWI Taube blue (because I had the covering and/or because I like the color) most likely they will let me fly it at a wabird meet. Of course, at a scale contest, it would be a different story. I have seen J-2 cubs of all colors (inlcuding yellow) at all warbirds meets I attended:-) Nobody ever objected. For me, this hobby is all about having fun. And is someone wants to fly a F-15, F-16 o Raptor at a warbird meet I have no problem because there I never met an airplane I do not like:-)
Now, if you ask for the definition of the term "warbird" I would stick to the definition of the EEAA
Happy landings
Gerry
BS,, I do not believe this.
Cannonball200 will be bringing the yellow ones into the light. Probably at warbirds over OK. I have never seen a yellow cubat any warbird event. But he will change this I am sure.
Tim
03-19-2011, 04:22 PM
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ORIGINAL: TimT2000
BS,, I do not believe this. [img][/img] Cannonball200 will be bringing the yellow ones into the light. Probably at warbirds over OK. I have never seen a yellow cub
at any warbird event. But he will change this I am sure.
Tim
ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Well, if it was operated by the armed forces, and is not in activity, by definition this cub it is a warbird. Funny, each person (RC pilots) seem to have a different definition in mind. Quite frankly, the only thing that matters is that the organizer of the event you will fly at does not object. If I cover a WWI Taube blue (because I had the covering and/or because I like the color) most likely they will let me fly it at a wabird meet. Of course, at a scale contest, it would be a different story. I have seen J-2 cubs of all colors (inlcuding yellow) at all warbirds meets I attended:-) Nobody ever objected. For me, this hobby is all about having fun. And is someone wants to fly a F-15, F-16 o Raptor at a warbird meet I have no problem because there I never met an airplane I do not like:-)
Now, if you ask for the definition of the term ''warbird'' I would stick to the definition of the EEAA
Happy landings
Gerry
ORIGINAL: cannonball200
Kahloq;
You don't win this one, sorry. If you will re-read this it tells you the J-3 and Civil Air Patrol was taken over by the government to be part of the armed forces and part of the war machine. All of the yellow J-3 Cub's were not painted green.
This Piper J-3 represents the contributions of the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to the U.S. Air Force. The CAP was organized on Dec. 1, 1941, under the Office of Civilian Defense and in 1943 was transferred to the War Department. During World War II, CAP members flying their personal aircraft, such as the J-3, hunted for enemy submarines along the U.S. coasts, reported damaged ships, towed aerial targets, and delivered high priority orders of vital war materials.
Here are pictures and they are ''yellow'' J-3 Cub's...,,,,.....
Thanks,
Kahloq;
You don't win this one, sorry. If you will re-read this it tells you the J-3 and Civil Air Patrol was taken over by the government to be part of the armed forces and part of the war machine. All of the yellow J-3 Cub's were not painted green.
This Piper J-3 represents the contributions of the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to the U.S. Air Force. The CAP was organized on Dec. 1, 1941, under the Office of Civilian Defense and in 1943 was transferred to the War Department. During World War II, CAP members flying their personal aircraft, such as the J-3, hunted for enemy submarines along the U.S. coasts, reported damaged ships, towed aerial targets, and delivered high priority orders of vital war materials.
Here are pictures and they are ''yellow'' J-3 Cub's...,,,,.....
Thanks,
Well, if it was operated by the armed forces, and is not in activity, by definition this cub it is a warbird. Funny, each person (RC pilots) seem to have a different definition in mind. Quite frankly, the only thing that matters is that the organizer of the event you will fly at does not object. If I cover a WWI Taube blue (because I had the covering and/or because I like the color) most likely they will let me fly it at a wabird meet. Of course, at a scale contest, it would be a different story. I have seen J-2 cubs of all colors (inlcuding yellow) at all warbirds meets I attended:-) Nobody ever objected. For me, this hobby is all about having fun. And is someone wants to fly a F-15, F-16 o Raptor at a warbird meet I have no problem because there I never met an airplane I do not like:-)
Now, if you ask for the definition of the term ''warbird'' I would stick to the definition of the EEAA
Happy landings
Gerry
BS,, I do not believe this. [img][/img] Cannonball200 will be bringing the yellow ones into the light. Probably at warbirds over OK. I have never seen a yellow cub
at any warbird event. But he will change this I am sure.
Tim
OK, OK, I confess, I am slightly colorblind. Maybe the cub in thir row is gree, gray or blue. Hard to say (Warbirds over Imalayastown, NJ)
Gerry
03-19-2011, 04:27 PM
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ORIGINAL: TimT2000
BS,, I do not believe this. [img][/img] Cannonball200 will be bringing the yellow ones into the light. Probably at warbirds over OK. I have never seen a yellow cub
at any warbird event. But he will change this I am sure.
Tim
ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Well, if it was operated by the armed forces, and is not in activity, by definition this cub it is a warbird. Funny, each person (RC pilots) seem to have a different definition in mind. Quite frankly, the only thing that matters is that the organizer of the event you will fly at does not object. If I cover a WWI Taube blue (because I had the covering and/or because I like the color) most likely they will let me fly it at a wabird meet. Of course, at a scale contest, it would be a different story. I have seen J-2 cubs of all colors (inlcuding yellow) at all warbirds meets I attended:-) Nobody ever objected. For me, this hobby is all about having fun. And is someone wants to fly a F-15, F-16 o Raptor at a warbird meet I have no problem because there I never met an airplane I do not like:-)
Now, if you ask for the definition of the term ''warbird'' I would stick to the definition of the EEAA
Happy landings
Gerry
ORIGINAL: cannonball200
Kahloq;
You don't win this one, sorry. If you will re-read this it tells you the J-3 and Civil Air Patrol was taken over by the government to be part of the armed forces and part of the war machine. All of the yellow J-3 Cub's were not painted green.
This Piper J-3 represents the contributions of the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to the U.S. Air Force. The CAP was organized on Dec. 1, 1941, under the Office of Civilian Defense and in 1943 was transferred to the War Department. During World War II, CAP members flying their personal aircraft, such as the J-3, hunted for enemy submarines along the U.S. coasts, reported damaged ships, towed aerial targets, and delivered high priority orders of vital war materials.
Here are pictures and they are ''yellow'' J-3 Cub's...,,,,.....
Thanks,
Kahloq;
You don't win this one, sorry. If you will re-read this it tells you the J-3 and Civil Air Patrol was taken over by the government to be part of the armed forces and part of the war machine. All of the yellow J-3 Cub's were not painted green.
This Piper J-3 represents the contributions of the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) to the U.S. Air Force. The CAP was organized on Dec. 1, 1941, under the Office of Civilian Defense and in 1943 was transferred to the War Department. During World War II, CAP members flying their personal aircraft, such as the J-3, hunted for enemy submarines along the U.S. coasts, reported damaged ships, towed aerial targets, and delivered high priority orders of vital war materials.
Here are pictures and they are ''yellow'' J-3 Cub's...,,,,.....
Thanks,
Well, if it was operated by the armed forces, and is not in activity, by definition this cub it is a warbird. Funny, each person (RC pilots) seem to have a different definition in mind. Quite frankly, the only thing that matters is that the organizer of the event you will fly at does not object. If I cover a WWI Taube blue (because I had the covering and/or because I like the color) most likely they will let me fly it at a wabird meet. Of course, at a scale contest, it would be a different story. I have seen J-2 cubs of all colors (inlcuding yellow) at all warbirds meets I attended:-) Nobody ever objected. For me, this hobby is all about having fun. And is someone wants to fly a F-15, F-16 o Raptor at a warbird meet I have no problem because there I never met an airplane I do not like:-)
Now, if you ask for the definition of the term ''warbird'' I would stick to the definition of the EEAA
Happy landings
Gerry
BS,, I do not believe this. [img][/img] Cannonball200 will be bringing the yellow ones into the light. Probably at warbirds over OK. I have never seen a yellow cub
at any warbird event. But he will change this I am sure.
Tim
Warbirds over Delaware, a lot of blue, green or gray cubs (remember I am slightly color blind) The German pilot is strange-looking. Crazy Germans!
Gerry
I am corrected!
03-19-2011, 05:03 PM
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One more:-) Warbirds over Quakertown PA. No yellow j-3, but you will recognize the wings on the floor:-) Maybe the guy with the machine gun knows what happened...
The other picture shows the real thing. Above, a B-17, and the short older gentlemen talking was a real B-17 gunner over Europe. Even my grandson (8 year old) was fascinated by his narration...
Gerry
The other picture shows the real thing. Above, a B-17, and the short older gentlemen talking was a real B-17 gunner over Europe. Even my grandson (8 year old) was fascinated by his narration...
Gerry
03-19-2011, 05:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: LDM
In all honesty this thread is what is broken with RCU and why other RC websites are becoming so much more active . RCU initial creation I assumed was to inform , share , educate , instruct , and enjoy the hobby of RC planes . This thread while totally appropriate in a forum of full scale planes and while totally enjoyed by RC pilots who love warbirds serves no purpose in an RC warbird forum .
In all honesty this thread is what is broken with RCU and why other RC websites are becoming so much more active . RCU initial creation I assumed was to inform , share , educate , instruct , and enjoy the hobby of RC planes . This thread while totally appropriate in a forum of full scale planes and while totally enjoyed by RC pilots who love warbirds serves no purpose in an RC warbird forum .
ORIGINAL: LDM
If the question was posed on whats an RC warbird , more value on wing loading , flying characteristics ect could be gained .
Again , no offence and yes we live in the USA and freedom of speech earned by warbirds is what this country was built on , but again it serves no value in RC warbird formum
If the question was posed on whats an RC warbird , more value on wing loading , flying characteristics ect could be gained .
Again , no offence and yes we live in the USA and freedom of speech earned by warbirds is what this country was built on , but again it serves no value in RC warbird formum
So LDM, are you saying - if it looks like a warbird, smells like a warbird, has all the markings of a warbird etc - it is NOT a warbird unless it's flight charastics are like a full size warbird.
That leaves out all the VQ and Hanger 9 stuff.
03-19-2011, 05:36 PM
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TimT2000;
Yes I will be taking the "yellow" J-3 Cub to the Oklahoma Warbirds event and others. It will have the Civil Air Patrol markings on it just like back in WWII days. We'll have our regular flight attendents with us also (picture below).
Thanks,
Yes I will be taking the "yellow" J-3 Cub to the Oklahoma Warbirds event and others. It will have the Civil Air Patrol markings on it just like back in WWII days. We'll have our regular flight attendents with us also (picture below).
Thanks,
03-19-2011, 06:36 PM
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I have been a CD at many warbird flyin
A j-3 cub is a far different cry from an extra 300
There has never been a discussion at my events of what is or is not a warbird
everyone just knows
I repeat my statement If you have to ask if your plane is a warbird
It probably is not
for you guys who want a definition
I consider a warbird to be any plane used by any country in the military to be a awarbird from 1903 to 2011
as to the discussion about weight have you ever heard the term "Heavy Metal" they are called that because they are heavy planes
j-3 properly covered are warbirds
Extra 300 should be flown in events for Extera 300
and if you dont like that build a warbird and enter a warbird event everyone will be happy to see you
A j-3 cub is a far different cry from an extra 300
There has never been a discussion at my events of what is or is not a warbird
everyone just knows
I repeat my statement If you have to ask if your plane is a warbird
It probably is not
for you guys who want a definition
I consider a warbird to be any plane used by any country in the military to be a awarbird from 1903 to 2011
as to the discussion about weight have you ever heard the term "Heavy Metal" they are called that because they are heavy planes
j-3 properly covered are warbirds
Extra 300 should be flown in events for Extera 300
and if you dont like that build a warbird and enter a warbird event everyone will be happy to see you
03-19-2011, 07:42 PM
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LDM,
I did not understand your reply, but OK, whatever. I'm all for our model aircraft being made more user friendly. The old Top Flite Red and Yellow box Warbird kits required a lot of carving. I find scratch building quite enjoyable. My main gripe about ARF's is that one does no know how well the airplane is built, and no building expertise is required. One merely has to follow instructions and assemble. Some folks just don't have time to build.
I did not understand your reply, but OK, whatever. I'm all for our model aircraft being made more user friendly. The old Top Flite Red and Yellow box Warbird kits required a lot of carving. I find scratch building quite enjoyable. My main gripe about ARF's is that one does no know how well the airplane is built, and no building expertise is required. One merely has to follow instructions and assemble. Some folks just don't have time to build.
03-19-2011, 08:22 PM
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Gerry the reports on the Top Flight new ARFs have been fantastic . I have some buds that have both the 90 size and the Giant Scale , nothing but praise for the planes all around !!!
Bjor , I guess in the RC world it can look , smell ect like a warbird but but in the context of how a heavy medal bird feels I would have to defer that questions to the experts .
My assumption is based on my limited experience and let me explane . As you know every newbee including me in year onewants to fly a warbird . As you also know every experienced RC guy will spend countless hours on why that is a bad decision .
Ok , so then we have the ARF revolution , along comes the new generation of Warbirds by Hanger 9 . A P51 , a Corsair , and P47 ect . I had been out of the hobby and I come back , get my skills back with a high wing trainer and go right to the H9 Corsair . I soon learned that this plane was a real cream puff to fly while looking the part for most taiste of a very nice Corsair for an ARF . So the new hanger nine birds redefined the look and expectations of what a warbird could be as far as difficulty and experience in flying .
So now the ARFs evolve even more , and along comes the new KMP planes . Many made the jumo not knowing that for the most part , these would be much heavier in wing loading and have the characterisics of what tradionalist have referred to as "heavy feel" !! Ok , so many can argue " its just not build right " perhaps that is true but that statement can be said for many of scratch build project that was also very heavy .
Bottom line , if you google the definition of a warbird , its really simple " refers to WW2 planes " it was that easy , but if you use the RC world definition -not invented by me and surely heard by so many in this thread , yes it first must look like a warbird , and second it muct feel heavy (not my words , simply surf RCU and you fond tons of examples on these statements .
Bjor , I guess in the RC world it can look , smell ect like a warbird but but in the context of how a heavy medal bird feels I would have to defer that questions to the experts .
My assumption is based on my limited experience and let me explane . As you know every newbee including me in year onewants to fly a warbird . As you also know every experienced RC guy will spend countless hours on why that is a bad decision .
Ok , so then we have the ARF revolution , along comes the new generation of Warbirds by Hanger 9 . A P51 , a Corsair , and P47 ect . I had been out of the hobby and I come back , get my skills back with a high wing trainer and go right to the H9 Corsair . I soon learned that this plane was a real cream puff to fly while looking the part for most taiste of a very nice Corsair for an ARF . So the new hanger nine birds redefined the look and expectations of what a warbird could be as far as difficulty and experience in flying .
So now the ARFs evolve even more , and along comes the new KMP planes . Many made the jumo not knowing that for the most part , these would be much heavier in wing loading and have the characterisics of what tradionalist have referred to as "heavy feel" !! Ok , so many can argue " its just not build right " perhaps that is true but that statement can be said for many of scratch build project that was also very heavy .
Bottom line , if you google the definition of a warbird , its really simple " refers to WW2 planes " it was that easy , but if you use the RC world definition -not invented by me and surely heard by so many in this thread , yes it first must look like a warbird , and second it muct feel heavy (not my words , simply surf RCU and you fond tons of examples on these statements .
03-20-2011, 05:22 AM
#200
RE: Whats a warbird?
ORIGINAL: LDM
Gerry the reports on the Top Flight new ARFs have been fantastic . I have some buds that have both the 90 size and the Giant Scale , nothing but praise for the planes all around !!!
Bjor , I guess in the RC world it can look , smell ect like a warbird but but in the context of how a heavy medal bird feels I would have to defer that questions to the experts .
My assumption is based on my limited experience and let me explane . As you know every newbee including me in year onewants to fly a warbird . As you also know every experienced RC guy will spend countless hours on why that is a bad decision .
Ok , so then we have the ARF revolution , along comes the new generation of Warbirds by Hanger 9 . A P51 , a Corsair , and P47 ect . I had been out of the hobby and I come back , get my skills back with a high wing trainer and go right to the H9 Corsair . I soon learned that this plane was a real cream puff to fly while looking the part for most taiste of a very nice Corsair for an ARF . So the new hanger nine birds redefined the look and expectations of what a warbird could be as far as difficulty and experience in flying .
So now the ARFs evolve even more , and along comes the new KMP planes . Many made the jumo not knowing that for the most part , these would be much heavier in wing loading and have the characterisics of what tradionalist have referred to as ''heavy feel'' !! Ok , so many can argue '' its just not build right '' perhaps that is true but that statement can be said for many of scratch build project that was also very heavy .
Bottom line , if you google the definition of a warbird , its really simple '' refers to WW2 planes '' it was that easy , but if you use the RC world definition -not invented by me and surely heard by so many in this thread , yes it first must look like a warbird , and second it muct feel heavy (not my words , simply surf RCU and you fond tons of examples on these statements .
Gerry the reports on the Top Flight new ARFs have been fantastic . I have some buds that have both the 90 size and the Giant Scale , nothing but praise for the planes all around !!!
Bjor , I guess in the RC world it can look , smell ect like a warbird but but in the context of how a heavy medal bird feels I would have to defer that questions to the experts .
My assumption is based on my limited experience and let me explane . As you know every newbee including me in year onewants to fly a warbird . As you also know every experienced RC guy will spend countless hours on why that is a bad decision .
Ok , so then we have the ARF revolution , along comes the new generation of Warbirds by Hanger 9 . A P51 , a Corsair , and P47 ect . I had been out of the hobby and I come back , get my skills back with a high wing trainer and go right to the H9 Corsair . I soon learned that this plane was a real cream puff to fly while looking the part for most taiste of a very nice Corsair for an ARF . So the new hanger nine birds redefined the look and expectations of what a warbird could be as far as difficulty and experience in flying .
So now the ARFs evolve even more , and along comes the new KMP planes . Many made the jumo not knowing that for the most part , these would be much heavier in wing loading and have the characterisics of what tradionalist have referred to as ''heavy feel'' !! Ok , so many can argue '' its just not build right '' perhaps that is true but that statement can be said for many of scratch build project that was also very heavy .
Bottom line , if you google the definition of a warbird , its really simple '' refers to WW2 planes '' it was that easy , but if you use the RC world definition -not invented by me and surely heard by so many in this thread , yes it first must look like a warbird , and second it muct feel heavy (not my words , simply surf RCU and you fond tons of examples on these statements .
I was looking at the ESM D3A1 Val Dive Bomber 81" ARF. With fixed landing gear, and price of around $320 with a wing loading of 32, it looks like it would fly "light". They also have a big corsair that has to be way lighter than any kit builf top Lite (1/5 scale). I disagree that only WWII airplanes are "Warbirds" I go by the full scale community definition of Warbird. Heck they not onlyhave an organization with that name, there are contests, etc. Remember, after all, we are building models of the real thing:-) Besides, The 1/4 scale Fokker DVIII I am working on is (for most) a legit "Warbird".
Gerry
Pictured below, my current "warbird"