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Old 03-06-2014, 08:55 PM
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Hey digiatr I think those blisters are on a full scale FW
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I believe he posted those for reference.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:12 PM
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I think he was asking a question
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:23 PM
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you two are right!
the pic is from the real one, its for reference and i am asking a question.
i make the question again :
the gun blisters our esm fw 190 d9 have the same shape compairing to the real one;
...i think ours are off scale

thank you.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by n8622t View Post
http://youtu.be/tNtAtkIPpdo
On a 3W 20X10 prop I got 6450 rpm.... First run
What is the fuel line like hose attached to the "Fuel Pump Cover" for anyway?
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Old 03-07-2014, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by n8622t View Post
I think he was asking a question

Lol wow, did ya figure that one out yourself Dr. Obvious?
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:36 PM
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Our model are "REAL ONES" too ...the Big Real Ones should be refereed to as "FULL SCALE" Not REAL ONES.
Now repeat after me FULL Scale Full Scale Full Scale
Got it? Good.
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
Our model are "REAL ONES" too ...the Big Real Ones should be refereed to as "FULL SCALE" Not REAL ONES.
Now repeat after me FULL Scale Full Scale Full Scale
Got it? Good.
How many languages do you speak, except english?

Good grief......
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Old 03-07-2014, 03:51 PM
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I would be interested in the differences between each aircraft of the full scale FW 190? I am going to guess they were not all perfect in fit and finish. Just sayin'. It seems many modelers chase perfection that never actually existed.
For a minute I thought I was in the Scale forum, not the Warbird forum. There is a difference.
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Old 03-07-2014, 05:17 PM
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Ja Wohl!
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Old 03-07-2014, 08:19 PM
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here you can see the gun blisters of our models.
their shape is ok; shouldnt it be more rounded;

sorry for asking but i think that this "tiny detail" is the most recognizable spot on a fw 190 wing either its a 1/5 scale or a full scale one, dont you think;



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Originally Posted by dgiatr View Post
here you can see the gun blisters of our models.
their shape is ok; shouldnt it be more rounded;




Oh maybe, but it also is a panel that is hinged into the wing fillet that opens to reveal the MG 151/20 cannon. There are many aspects of this detail that are wrong. Kinda tough to chase them all down and fix them on an ARF. I say throw your radio and engine in it and fly. But that is just me. Maybe get all of these minute details right on the next full build, where it is easier to fabricate these items when creating the wing. The beauty of balsa is it can be shaped to whatever it needs to look like, by and large.
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Old 03-08-2014, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by vertical grimmace View Post
There are many aspects of this detail that are wrong. Kinda tough to chase them all down and fix them on an ARF. .......... The beauty of balsa is it can be shaped to whatever it needs to look like, by and large.
you are right but some details are more important that others. i have never seen any fw 190 in all over the web to have any blisters like that ( i am a real fan of esm warbirds look here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTBoc...-nrFLhgNo57dSw , thats my channel) but since i have decided to make a more detailed fw 190 d9 , i think its important to have the right blisters.
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Originally Posted by dgiatr View Post
you two are right!
the pic is from the real one, its for reference and i am asking a question.
i make the question again :
the gun blisters our esm fw 190 d9 have the same shape compairing to the real one;
...i think ours are off scalethank you.
Well if you want an exact scale model dgiatr you better learn how to scratch build...this model isnt that far off, my only complaint is the cheezy polyester resin they use on the fuse. Im no expert but epoxy resin is a lot nicer quality.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:18 AM
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You can always build a simple vacuum forming machine and make some more accurate blisters. Maybe make them just slightly oversized to go over the existing ones.

I understand about a particular out of scale issue with some aircraft. I cannot stand to see the long cowl/noses on the Fokker DR1 triplane. I went to great pains to make my 2 tripes more scale in this area.

I guess my point is when it comes to ARF's, you have to lower the expectations and live with it, or modify/fix them if you cannot. For the price of these things, I do not think you can ever expect them to be exactly what you want.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:36 AM
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Besides a lot of things scaled down exactly (I know detail does not) doesn't fly well. anyone agree or disagree?
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Old 03-08-2014, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
Besides a lot of things scaled down exactly (I know detail does not) doesn't fly well. anyone agree or disagree?

This would depend on the aircraft. As far as the FW 190 D series goes, you could have one exact scale, and there would be no problem with how it flies. Wide gear, long fuselage moments, good wing/tail area. The trick is always to keep the weight down.

As far as ARF's go, if you wanted one exactly scale, the price would skyrocket. So there has to be a compromise. While not an ARF, look at SisT. That is such an expensive plane, many would be too nervous to fly it.

I am of the opinion that almost any design can be made to fly well. It has more to do with wing loading than anything. Try scaling these warbirds down to 1/12th scale, and try to get that to not only fly, but out perform what everyone else has built. That was the challenge of the 1/12th scale combat event. You know which airplane came out on top?.............The TA 152 H. It came down to the long wings, large wing area, and long fuselage moments.

So in the large sizes, if you keep your details light, you can have a god flying plane. The biggest trick is learning how the details are supposed to look, and then fabricating them .

Again, are we in the Scale forum? I understand you guys want god looking airplanes though.
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Old 03-09-2014, 02:29 AM
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Chris, I think the XYZ would be the best solution but it is real close. Its a twin so it will vibrate less. I think it only fits because the molded cowl flaps are partially open. In retrospect, I think I would have did the XYZ. I put in the DLE 55 and the head sticks out the bottom by about 1.5 inches. Not too bad but still unsightly if you want to go for the clean look. Ticketec has tons of experience with it and I think he was the first to install one in this plane.

Jason
Thanks Jason. I have the DLE 55RA in a TF Corsair and the plug cap peeks out just. Its a much bigger cowl of course. Its been a great engine so far.

Does anyone have a comparison diameter measurement between the SisT D9 and ESM D9? I have the SisT D9 kit so im checking out engine options used on the ESM version for comparison. Thats why Im looking for the best possible solution thats concealed as much as possible.
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Old 03-11-2014, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vertical grimmace View Post
At least in this thread, I wonder why so few of these planes fly consistently? They certainly fly fine. Gotta be careful with the rough landings. But why is there not more consistent flying from this plane?
As I slogged my way through the entirety of this thread I began wondering the same thing. Only thought that comes to mind is that these planes cross the line value-wise where most do not want to risk losing them. Doesn't seem like anyone has really done a lot of flying in theirs, and the risk of damaging the wing and retracts due to their fragility doesn't help.

Speaking of retracts, seems to me that for the $600-$1000 people are investing in retracts for these planes they ought to be bulletproof. I think of the firearms I can buy in that price range and all the material, design, and manufacturing effort that goes into them and can't believe these retractable landing gear cost the same yet perform so poorly and are such simple objects. Seems like it would be a fairly easy market for someone to get into with room for plenty of profit if you could make decent equipment.
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Originally Posted by McCrazy View Post
As I slogged my way through the entirety of this thread I began wondering the same thing. Only thought that comes to mind is that these planes cross the line value-wise where most do not want to risk losing them. Doesn't seem like anyone has really done a lot of flying in theirs, and the risk of damaging the wing and retracts due to their fragility doesn't help.

Speaking of retracts, seems to me that for the $600-$1000 people are investing in retracts for these planes they ought to be bulletproof. I think of the firearms I can buy in that price range and all the material, design, and manufacturing effort that goes into them and can't believe these retractable landing gear cost the same yet perform so poorly and are such simple objects. Seems like it would be a fairly easy market for someone to get into with room for plenty of profit if you could make decent equipment.
The Sierra retracts are plenty strong. It is the wing that s not.
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Originally Posted by McCrazy View Post
As I slogged my way through the entirety of this thread I began wondering the same thing. Only thought that comes to mind is that these planes cross the line value-wise where most do not want to risk losing them. Doesn't seem like anyone has really done a lot of flying in theirs, and the risk of damaging the wing and retracts due to their fragility doesn't help.

Speaking of retracts, seems to me that for the $600-$1000 people are investing in retracts for these planes they ought to be bulletproof. I think of the firearms I can buy in that price range and all the material, design, and manufacturing effort that goes into them and can't believe these retractable landing gear cost the same yet perform so poorly and are such simple objects. Seems like it would be a fairly easy market for someone to get into with room for plenty of profit if you could make decent equipment.
Mines done over 98 flights now with no issues with the retracts The short nose FW190 has over 200 flights on her again no issues
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Originally Posted by McCrazy;11757
Speaking of retracts, seems to me that for the $600-$1000 people are investing in retracts for these planes they ought to be bulletproof. [COLOR=#b22222
I think of the firearms I can buy in that price range and all the material, design, and manufacturing effort that goes into them and can't believe these retractable landing gear cost the same yet perform so poorly and are such simple objects[/COLOR]. Seems like it would be a fairly easy market for someone to get into with room for plenty of profit if you could make decent equipment.
3.5 million Guns in this country and probably over half worth less that $1000. Where there probably less than 350,000 PR/C planes and less that 10% are worth more than $1000 and fewer than half of thoes have Retracts. and may be $350 are D-9's pretty well explaines the price of the retracts when U have to deride the total number of retract systems up among 4 or 5 Manufactures ... If they only made a couple hindered "Saturday Night Specials" the would cost fart more. It's the law of NEED for a Product. and at what profit can be made on any one item make.

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Originally Posted by HoundDog View Post
3.5 Guns in this country and probably over half worth less that $1000. Where there probably less than 350,000 PR/C planes and less that 10% are worth more than $1000 and fewer than half of thoes have Retracts. and may be $350 are D-9's pretty well explaines the price of the retracts when U have to deride the total number of retract systems up among 4 or 5 Manufactures ... If they only made a couple hindered "Saturday Night Specials" the would cost fart more. It's the law of NEED for a Product. and at what profit can be made on any one item make.
.......i will have to AGREE with McCrazy!!!. in all over "RC UNIVERSE" i see that you consider spending a fortune for retracts like something to be inevitable. Sorry HoundDog but here in Europe, we know different maths than you do ....Have you ever listen anything about EUROKIT; Here in Europe its the BEST COMPANY FOR MAKING RETRACTS AT HALF THE PRICE YOU PAY THERE. AND ITS FAR MORE BETTER IN QUALITY THAN YOURS. Except FW 190 AND BF 109 which need a special retract design with big angle, in all the other ocassions EUROKIT have a cheaper and more reliable solution. i really dont know why you, in U.S. have never heard of them...probably its a mistake from Eurokit. but for me i have over 15 pairs of them in my planes and i can tell you that its far more better in price and quality that some expensive retract of yours. Look here :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTBoc...-nrFLhgNo57dSw all the models you see there, except ESM BF 109 50CC, have Eurokit retracts.

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There is no video above???
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Originally Posted by dgiatr View Post
.......i will have to AGREE with McCrazy!!!. in all over "RC UNIVERSE" i see that you consider spending a fortune for retracts like something to be inevitable. Sorry HoundDog but here in Europe, we know different maths than you do ....Have you ever listen anything about EUROKIT; Here in Europe its the BEST COMPANY FOR MAKING RETRACTS AT HALF THE PRICE YOU PAY THERE. AND ITS FAR MORE BETTER IN QUALITY THAN YOURS. Except FW 190 AND BF 109 which need a special retract design with big angle, in all the other ocassions EUROKIT have a cheaper and more reliable solution. i really dont know why you, in U.S. have never heard of them...probably its a mistake from Eurokit. but for me i have over 15 pairs of them in my planes and i can tell you that its far more better in price and quality that some expensive retract of yours. Look here :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTBoc...-nrFLhgNo57dSw all the models you see there, except ESM BF 109 50CC, have Eurokit retracts.


When you add in the exchange rate, the prices for someone in the US to buy Eurokit gear is pretty close to what the prices here are

http://www.eurokitshop.it/category.php?id_category=131

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