CARF F4U-1 Corsair build thread
#3676
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Lol, I have a love/hate relationship with facefail myself, but so many of my friends use it almost to the point of failing to communicate otherwise that I have little choice. But there is also a lot of good content there, you just have to be willing to sift through to find it.
On another subject, my brother has taken the time to put together a collection of construction and completion pictures on a single storage device. Disk or memery stick. There a couple thousand pictures of our Corsair builds. Would anyone be interested in a copy for the cost of the disk or stick and the shipping? Just feeling out the desire for such a thing.
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I just might be, odds are I'll never have the funds to do one of these myself, but I'd be interested just for the techniques that I've seen here. And if you bought in bulk SD cards and such can be had pretty cheaply.
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Sliding Canopy ?
Hi Gary-
Will you explain what the latest version of your sliding canopy system consists of ?
I know it started out as a brass 'sled' if you will, and I have also seen a picture of what looks a different looking sled made of G-10 ? Not sure how that one connects to the brass canopy rails though ?
And lastly, I have seen pics of the Actuonix actuators in one of your versions.
Just wondering if you have settled on what method you think is best going forward. And can you please list the model number of which Actuonix actuator you used ? (There are several models, different speeds, lengths, etc.)
PS-almost forgot-would love to have a thumb drive of the pics-I think it would be an awesome reference tool going forward for us Carf Corsair guys.
Cheers-Mike O.
Will you explain what the latest version of your sliding canopy system consists of ?
I know it started out as a brass 'sled' if you will, and I have also seen a picture of what looks a different looking sled made of G-10 ? Not sure how that one connects to the brass canopy rails though ?
And lastly, I have seen pics of the Actuonix actuators in one of your versions.
Just wondering if you have settled on what method you think is best going forward. And can you please list the model number of which Actuonix actuator you used ? (There are several models, different speeds, lengths, etc.)
PS-almost forgot-would love to have a thumb drive of the pics-I think it would be an awesome reference tool going forward for us Carf Corsair guys.
Cheers-Mike O.
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Hi Gary-
Will you explain what the latest version of your sliding canopy system consists of ?
I know it started out as a brass 'sled' if you will, and I have also seen a picture of what looks a different looking sled made of G-10 ? Not sure how that one connects to the brass canopy rails though ?
And lastly, I have seen pics of the Actuonix actuators in one of your versions.
Just wondering if you have settled on what method you think is best going forward. And can you please list the model number of which Actuonix actuator you used ? (There are several models, different speeds, lengths, etc.)
PS-almost forgot-would love to have a thumb drive of the pics-I think it would be an awesome reference tool going forward for us Carf Corsair guys.
Cheers-Mike O.
Will you explain what the latest version of your sliding canopy system consists of ?
I know it started out as a brass 'sled' if you will, and I have also seen a picture of what looks a different looking sled made of G-10 ? Not sure how that one connects to the brass canopy rails though ?
And lastly, I have seen pics of the Actuonix actuators in one of your versions.
Just wondering if you have settled on what method you think is best going forward. And can you please list the model number of which Actuonix actuator you used ? (There are several models, different speeds, lengths, etc.)
PS-almost forgot-would love to have a thumb drive of the pics-I think it would be an awesome reference tool going forward for us Carf Corsair guys.
Cheers-Mike O.
This led me to the Actuonix devises. They are each plug-and-play and have their own internal control. They mount in a location similar to the old air cylinder method taking up very little space, and require very little tinkering to get adjusted. They can be connected very easily to the slider system I already have designed with simple linkage. An anchor needs to be installed at the front, but again, not a complicated affair. With these units, when one gets a little behind, it keeps going even if the other has reached it's stopping point. It is almost impossible to get two electric motors to run in perfect sinc.
So, for those out there that would like to try these and come up with the hardware to connect them to the slider, the company is:
Acuonix Motion Devices Inc
580 Starling Lane
Victoria BC, V9E2A9
Canada
you need to type this in, clicking on it won't work
www.actuonix.com
The model you want is L16-140-35-6-R or the slightly more powerful but a little slower L16-140-63-6-R (two are required at about $70 each)
I hope this helps and please don't hesitate to post those pictures of your installs for others to benefit from.
pictures below
First picture. The "sled" is in the middle of the fuse and in the midst of all that wiring with all it's moving parts. Second picture, the rear of the new system and how it attaches to my existing rail parts. Third picture, the front anchor for the actuator.
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As for our building gallery set, we are doing a little more organizing and adding some more pictures and will have it available in a short while. I'll keep you posted here when we are ready to ship them out.
Thank you for the interest. I feel it will be very helpful as this thread is so large that finding things can be a chore.
Thank you for the interest. I feel it will be very helpful as this thread is so large that finding things can be a chore.
#3682
I have been using the firgelli actuators for canopies on jets for years and they are great. They are basically a linear servo with the ability to adjust end points. Makes set up easy and they are easy to mount too.
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Hey Guys,
Figured I would show mine, this setup works perfect for me. I have the actuators lined up with the rails, zero binding. I also have shown how I connected them to the rails.
operation video.
Figured I would show mine, this setup works perfect for me. I have the actuators lined up with the rails, zero binding. I also have shown how I connected them to the rails.
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Hi Ken-Thanks for the reply-that is very helpful. A couple of questions :
-Is the nylon bolt actually threaded into the end of the brass rail or just glued ?
-Are the two aluminum 'L' brackets that are visible on the other end part of the unit itself or ?
-Lastly, can you tell me which part number actuator you used ? I like the speed of it.
Thanks in advance for your help-
-Mike
-Is the nylon bolt actually threaded into the end of the brass rail or just glued ?
-Are the two aluminum 'L' brackets that are visible on the other end part of the unit itself or ?
-Lastly, can you tell me which part number actuator you used ? I like the speed of it.
Thanks in advance for your help-
-Mike
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Hi Ken-Thanks for the reply-that is very helpful. A couple of questions :
-Is the nylon bolt actually threaded into the end of the brass rail or just glued ?
-Are the two aluminum 'L' brackets that are visible on the other end part of the unit itself or ?
-Lastly, can you tell me which part number actuator you used ? I like the speed of it.
Thanks in advance for your help-
-Mike
-Is the nylon bolt actually threaded into the end of the brass rail or just glued ?
-Are the two aluminum 'L' brackets that are visible on the other end part of the unit itself or ?
-Lastly, can you tell me which part number actuator you used ? I like the speed of it.
Thanks in advance for your help-
-Mike
The Nylon bolt is held in with a 2/56 set screw. You can see it if you look close. The "L" bracket is just something I added to support the other end. You need to make sure it's supported laterally as well. The aluminum bracket was used so I have something easily removable for maintenance if ever needed. That bracket holds a wood piece you can't see in the photo but cradles the end of the unit and the zip tie keeps in place. The actuators I used were L16-140-35-6-R from Actuonix.
#3689
Anybody has instructions for the "Down and Locked" wing folding mechanism ? Interested on knowing what voltage the system uses (can handle) and how its connected. Thanks in advance.
#3692
Great read this thread, lots of good info..
anyone know what the weight difference is between the plugin version and the all electric wing fold version of this plane is? I would like to build one that is as low weight as possible but i have one wing fold kit available and was wondering if there is much of a difference weight wise and handling wise..
Any comments is appreciated on this matter, thanks..
anyone know what the weight difference is between the plugin version and the all electric wing fold version of this plane is? I would like to build one that is as low weight as possible but i have one wing fold kit available and was wondering if there is much of a difference weight wise and handling wise..
Any comments is appreciated on this matter, thanks..
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weight difference
From everything I have seen, you can expect a 8-10 lb difference (lighter, of course) with the plug in wing version. The airplane, however, does not seem to mind the extra weight, and in fact carries it quite well; there was a Top Gun example that flew in the high 60lb range if I recall, and it seemed to look about the same on landing speed.
Still, no one can argue that a lighter airframe is better in the long run.
Hope this helps-
Mike O.
Still, no one can argue that a lighter airframe is better in the long run.
Hope this helps-
Mike O.
Great read this thread, lots of good info..
anyone know what the weight difference is between the plugin version and the all electric wing fold version of this plane is? I would like to build one that is as low weight as possible but i have one wing fold kit available and was wondering if there is much of a difference weight wise and handling wise..
Any comments is appreciated on this matter, thanks..
anyone know what the weight difference is between the plugin version and the all electric wing fold version of this plane is? I would like to build one that is as low weight as possible but i have one wing fold kit available and was wondering if there is much of a difference weight wise and handling wise..
Any comments is appreciated on this matter, thanks..
#3694
From everything I have seen, you can expect a 8-10 lb difference (lighter, of course) with the plug in wing version. The airplane, however, does not seem to mind the extra weight, and in fact carries it quite well; there was a Top Gun example that flew in the high 60lb range if I recall, and it seemed to look about the same on landing speed.
Still, no one can argue that a lighter airframe is better in the long run.
Hope this helps-
Mike O.
Still, no one can argue that a lighter airframe is better in the long run.
Hope this helps-
Mike O.
what is the total weight of most machines out there?
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The difference is in the weight of the wing mechanics, which are not light, and the related controller, and required battery to drive it. This is assuming you convert to Down And Locked electric, which most guys are doing now. The original CARF supplied hydraulic system is problematic, at best, in my opinion.
Average weight on the birds I have seen would be 55-60 lbs, assuming a full cockpit and proper scale detailing, which, in my eyes, is the only way to do one of these birds justice.
-Mike
Average weight on the birds I have seen would be 55-60 lbs, assuming a full cockpit and proper scale detailing, which, in my eyes, is the only way to do one of these birds justice.
-Mike
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Difference is averaging about 10 lbs. The hydrolic version being more with the system and baby oil bladder. The electric version is a little lighter. Flight is the same, providing you use the correct engine. IMO, the plug in version with a Moki 215, has the same performance as the folding version with a 250. They both fly lighter than they are. Where you "feel" the weight is in the landing process.
#3697
Thanks for the reply guys. Very good people in this thread 👍👍. I will be going for the complete electric conversion and Moki 250. What size 7.4v lipo do you recommend for both the gear and wings?
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Difference is averaging about 10 lbs. The hydrolic version being more with the system and baby oil bladder. The electric version is a little lighter. Flight is the same, providing you use the correct engine. IMO, the plug in version with a Moki 215, has the same performance as the folding version with a 250. They both fly lighter than they are. Where you "feel" the weight is in the landing process.