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Old 03-09-2015, 03:12 PM
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Yes, it's not pure white, but the amount of grey isn't enough to throw off the colors, and it covers well...
Found out a few years ago that white ceiling paint is not really white but slightly grey by design. For some reason it actually looks more white in the ceiling application than if it were pure white. I think Titanium Dioxide is the accepted standard for pure white.

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Ah, got it. I have rarely ever used anything but either wood or sheet metal screws for their simplicity and, thus far, reliability.

In related news (related to the Midwest Texan in general that is) I will be purchasing another Midwest Texan to replace my "old reliable" which took its last flight this past October. Local scale builder Jeremy Roth has decided to move on and I will be taking it off his hands in the near future. Jeremy is a fantastic builder and the Texan is not only built very well but Jeremy added flaps and scale airfoiled tail feathers. It needs a bit of TLC but overall is in great shape and I look forward to having a Midwest Texan in my stable again.






Here she is:

Chad,
I have a Midwest partially done that I will be geting back to in October. I'd be interested in how the linkage was set up for flaps in your new T6. I spoke to Rich Uravitch, but he said he cant remember his drawings for that mod. My thought is to control the center flap and run torque rods to the outer.
Thanks for the tip on the CG and control rods.
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Originally Posted by AndyNealG
Chad,
I have a Midwest partially done that I will be geting back to in October. I'd be interested in how the linkage was set up for flaps in your new T6. I spoke to Rich Uravitch, but he said he cant remember his drawings for that mod. My thought is to control the center flap and run torque rods to the outer.
Thanks for the tip on the CG and control rods.
Andy
I am pretty sure mine is set up with a servo for each flap Andy. Have not had a chance to do anything with it yet and didn't pay much attention to the flap set up but I am pretty certain it has three flap servos. I will have a look tomorrow and let you know for sure.
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The one that I rebuilt for a club member several years back did not have flaps. I added them and used two servos, one in each out board wing panel. The tow outer flap section then used a carbon blade that drove the center flap section. I figured that the savings of the one servo aft of the CG was worth it. I used two mid-sized Futaba servos.
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Originally Posted by Chad Veich
I am pretty sure mine is set up with a servo for each flap Andy. Have not had a chance to do anything with it yet and didn't pay much attention to the flap set up but I am pretty certain it has three flap servos. I will have a look tomorrow and let you know for sure.
Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to keep the linkages hidden, but most everyone seems to use two to three servos.
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Originally Posted by JeffH
The one that I rebuilt for a club member several years back did not have flaps. I added them and used two servos, one in each out board wing panel. The tow outer flap section then used a carbon blade that drove the center flap section. I figured that the savings of the one servo aft of the CG was worth it. I used two mid-sized Futaba servos.
Thanks for your input, Jeff. Im contemplating various ways of doing this. Did you think it was too complex to run a single servo,with 2 torque rods, thus hiding the linkages in the Fusalage?
Old 12-17-2015, 08:41 AM
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I'm back working on my AT-6. Hope some of you guys are still flying yours.

I would like to add the half round wing joint cover to my plane. Anyone have an idea of how to make this? Also what should the width be?

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Old 12-17-2015, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by smkrcflyer
I would like to add the half round wing joint cover to my plane. Anyone have an idea of how to make this? Also what should the width be?
Rich Uravitch was offering a detail kit for the Midwest Texan which included vacuum formed pieces for the portion of the joint cover that wraps around the leading edge. That addressed the most difficult part of it with the remainder being left up to the builder. I used them on my airplane and made up the rest from balsa which was glued to the wing and then sanded to match the formed parts using a sanding block I made up just for the job. Then the whole shebang was sealed with resin. I think they were somewhere around 5/8" wide or so.



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Thanks Chad,

Found it at the link below hope the parts are still available.

http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/BAUrav...norderfmr.html
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Originally Posted by smkrcflyer
Thanks Chad,

Found it at the link below hope the parts are still available.

http://004edc4.netsolhost.com/BAUrav...norderfmr.html
I just purchased a cowl & wing kit and a cockpit kit from Rich , so he's still got stuff. I didnt get the part you mentioned though.
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I'm back on the AT-6. Currently working on the wing joint area. I'm using 1/4x1/2 balsa and a sanding block that I made out of pine.


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Old 11-06-2016, 01:09 PM
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SMK,
Nice work on the wing fairings.
What color scheme ya thinking for the plane?

paul
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Originally Posted by pacoflyer
SMK,
Nice work on the wing fairings.
What color scheme ya thinking for the plane?

paul
Its silver and yellow.
Old 11-07-2016, 10:29 AM
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Nice work Steve, glad to see you back on it. One of these days I will get around to putting the blue one seen in my post above back together. It only needs some very minor work to get it airworthy again but I am planning a complete refinish into a different scheme. So many projects...
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Thanks guys for the kind words.
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For finishing I'm planning on using a coat of sanding sealer then fiberglass with WBPC. This will be my first time doing this process. What do you guys think? Any tips? Also what should I do about the fiberglass wheel center section, butt up to it with fiberglass or cover over it?
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Steve,
I've used Deft sanding sealer before and it provided a good base for fiberglassing later.
Just make sure you don't use the water base stuff as it might warp your balsa. I've also used WBPC to lay down cloth as it's quick and easy to use but I'm not sure that it gives you as hard a finish as resin. Just my 2 cents..
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Originally Posted by pacoflyer
Steve,
I've used Deft sanding sealer before and it provided a good base for fiberglassing later.
Just make sure you don't use the water base stuff as it might warp your balsa. I've also used WBPC to lay down cloth as it's quick and easy to use but I'm not sure that it gives you as hard a finish as resin. Just my 2 cents..
paul


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I cant find Deft sanding sealer in my area. I'm working in my basement so I can't use anything that has a strong odor.
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Yep ..that rules out a lacquer based product
The fumes are bad
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I've never used a "sealer " coat before glassing a plane,, the glassing seals everything,, why add an extra coat of anything?

I use West Systems epoxy, easy to work with,, dries hard and always ready to sand the next day.
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If anyone knows where I might find a replacement canopy for my T-6, that would be great.

Thanks,
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Fiberglass Specialties sells them.

http://www.fiberglassspecialtiesinc.com/catalog.htm
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Ok thnx
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Originally Posted by scale only 4 me
I've never used a "sealer " coat before glassing a plane,, the glassing seals everything,, why add an extra coat of anything?

I use West Systems epoxy, easy to work with,, dries hard and always ready to sand the next day.
A sealer is used prior to glassing with the WBPU because it is a water based product and can cause warping on untreated balsa. I have glassed one aircraft using the WBPU method and it works fine and results in every bit as nice a finished surface as glassing with resin. It is a much faster process than resin since the WBPU dries in minutes rather than hours. Not 100% certain but the WBPU process may result in a lighter finish as well. The only drawback I found is that the finished surface does not resist hangar rash as well as resin does.
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Originally Posted by Chad Veich
A sealer is used prior to glassing with the WBPU because it is a water based product and can cause warping on untreated balsa. I have glassed one aircraft using the WBPU method and it works fine and results in every bit as nice a finished surface as glassing with resin. It is a much faster process than resin since the WBPU dries in minutes rather than hours. Not 100% certain but the WBPU process may result in a lighter finish as well. The only drawback I found is that the finished surface does not resist hangar rash as well as resin does.
I'm assuming the sealer can't be water base or it could cause warping?


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