hellcat56

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ok I will ask
what is a 214


if you talking about age
I think I am close to that

BobH

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Me. I have a DD214. My father has one and my son will get his when he's finished.

FYI its your discharge paper from the military.

Ram-bro

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I got mine. Why are you curiius about how many have a 214?

John Redman

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Good question Ram-bro. Is he is alluding to the notion that you must have served in the military to talk about military history? Definitely not required or even matters. I have my DD214. Bottom line is the Tuskegee Group were incredible in their performance and served our flag and country proud.

flycatch

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If your refering to a DD214 I have.

mobyal

Well my father had one, his father had one, I have one, and each of my two younger brothers has one. Now, tell me what that has to do w/ the discussion here?

tuskegee

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That is sad....I have a DD Form 214 and a retired ID card DD Form 2...23years......But does that have to do about a "New Movie Trailer" Did you like the MOVIEor not. Well anyway go back and enjoy my pics............wow.

Desertlakesflying

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My Great Grandfather had his, along with the purple hearts....WW1.....My Grandfather had his along with a purple heart...WW2 and Korea....My Father has his.......Vietnam......I have mine......Gulf War.....and my Son will get his one day......Signed up to join the Marines Corp. after high school next year.

Oh, and if the Tuskegee Airmen lost 25 bombers, that's a whole lot less in the same amount of time than the other fighter groups, and they would have been on initial contact, not after.

I'd say that's a pretty good record in the era of the 262 as well.

vertical grimmace

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I don't have one, but I think the movie was pretty cool. Not perfect, but good entertainment. Regardless of the exact performance of the Tuskeegee airman, I think the impact of thier efforts was more profound on society than on the war.

Ram-bro

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well said

flycatch

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Are you stating an opinion or fact in regards to there bomber loss record. Get your facts correct before spouting off. As far as shooting down ME262s they did that while the jets were making landing approaches and not in aerial combat.

j-d

Please stop. I'm bored...

Dr. Daniel L. Haulman (Air Force Historical Research Agency):

«The admirable record of the Tuskegee Airmen needs no myths to bolster it. During World War II, 72 Tuskegee Airmen shot down 109 enemy aircraft, including the best of the German fighters. Members of the 332d Fighter Group downed at least ten airplanes on four separate days in 1944 and 1945. Two of the Tuskegee Airmen, the 99th Fighter Squadron’s Captain Edward L. Toppins and the 302d Fighter Squadron’s Lieutenant Lee A. Archer, each shot down four enemy planes. On most missions, the group escorted heavy bombers of the Fifteenth Air Force on raids against targets in Germany, Austria, and other parts of central Europe. Rarely did they lose a bomber, and then it was usually to enemy antiaircraft artillery rather than enemy airplanes. The Tuskegee Airmen proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that African-Americans were capable of flying the best of the Allied fighters to victory against the best of the enemy fighters. They earned an indelible place in the history not only of their service, but also in the history of their country and of the world.»

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/docum...070207-059.pdf

Fly2XS

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I just saw Red Tails.
It was fun! I enjoyed the artistic license that allowed everything to be crammed together in any one image. I loved the P-40's and P-51's landing at a 15 degree angle (very steep and very short). The rendering of the P-51 gear seemed off in the landing scenes, the gear was not angled forward. The barracks tents, fuel and aircraft repair all within a wingspan or two of the runway seemed a little reckless but screw it, it was a fun story! I loved the way they tied in scenes from "The Great Escape" into the story.

I'll be painting my P-40E as RayGun for the next flying season! Does anyone have some stills of the nose art?

tmaucher

Yes I have a DD214 first off so I guess I can say something. Please don't downgrade the record saying that the planes where shot down while landing. It was definately an easier task but most where in the air and could still shoot back. I would be willing to bet that if you spoke with a pilot of that era they would say that most kills where shooting at an area of sky then the enemy plane would fly right through the bullets, job done. One might make the case that the tuskeegee got to air combat as the quality of the German pilots had been deminished by attrition to the point of deminished expertise and not as good that the white pilots had to face? In regards to the way that all hollywood movies portray that the white pilots where just kill crazy and did not care about the bombers is just ludicris. I saw an interview with SAC commander who during the war was incharge of the bombing of germany had changed the orders of the pilots to follow any attacking fighters with orders to destroy said at any cost to bombers. This was done to eliminate the German dadasses. So this might be the real reason to give the Tuskegee pilots their chance? Not sure but could explane some things? discuss*******[img][/img]

kochj

Would rather be watching the "Blue nose *******'s" not a bunch of brothers that have been in 10 other films about racism...

By 1944-1945...There wasn't any decent german fighters left....Just a bunch of enlisted men, that flew delapitated planes that were in dire need of a overhual...
Wouldn't take much to down them...

That being said...there were plenty of great pilots no matter there skin color..

Ram-bro

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WOW........[] ignorance abounds

JohnMac

Hmm. That will be why Germany quickly collapsed after D-Day. Oh no, that didn't happen did it? They were fighting for their lives and that means that they were very tough to defeat, despite the fact that many of the celibrated Luftwaffe fighter elite were dead. But the guys in charge at squadron level were a grimly determined hard nose bunch, who would do their duty or die trying. The Germans were no push over.
They were still turning out planes to the end, despite our boys and your boys bombing the cr*p out of them day and night. In the last weeks and months of the war the shortage of fuel rather than airframes and pilots grounded the Luftwaffe.
But the Luftwaffe were overwhelmed by the sheer number of allied aircraft that they faced, and before the end we had not just air superiority but air supremacy in place. Nonetheless the struggle was a hard one and no one should underestimate the sacrifices of the allied airmen of all nations, creeds and colours who helped bring an end to the Nazi regime.
John

acobra

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Hey! It’s a movie for Pete’s sake; it’s not a history lesson. Its based on some facts but made for entertainment so don’t get your shorts in a bunch. My grandson asked me to go with him and we both enjoyed it immensely. I thought the computer animation of the aircraft scenes awesome and any aircraft fan will really enjoy it and that’s what a movie should do,

cfircav8r

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Can't wait to see the movie. I also have my DD-214, five of them actually, and I served with the 332d in Balad, Iraq were you get a history lesson upon arrival.

ram3500-RCU

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Are you sure of your facts here? Do a little more homework.

As for the movie, I am looking forward to seeing it. I love the subject, and I love that Hollywood takes WWII on in computer generation. Without this technology, these movies would be impossible to make, given the dwindling availability of the full scale war birds. We should anchorage their efforts anyway we can. Certainly with support by buying tickets, IMO.

DeferredDefect

I love it when a new aviation movie comes out !

Shaun Evans

Kochj,

Yes, you sound very ignorant indeed. The allied bomber loss rate wasn't because of enlisted men in dilapidated fighters. As far as 'brothers' who've been in movies about racism, that comment makes it sound like you probably weren't the demographic they were aiming for in the first place. Don't look now, but the point of the film (and of the Tuskegee story) is precisely that there were great pilots of ever color but the policy forbade the Black ones from serving. That's your country's history, whether you like it or not.

That having been said, I cringed at the awful writing and comically silly dialogue the whole night. It felt more like a Bazooka Joe comic strip or "Leave It To Beaver" than a war movie. I'm bummed they squandered an opportunity to give a real portrayal of such a remarkable group of men. I guess it's always good to see Mustangs in films, though.

flycatch

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You came across very bitter but the poster you critized did make some valid points about the state of the Deutchen Luftwaffen. You also mentioned demographics and who the movie is intended to attract could you please explain your position.

ram3500-RCU

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I just saw an interview of one of the principle actors in the movie. He also starred in the HBO production 'The Tuskegee Airmen', which he said focused more on the racial discrimination the group faced during their training. He relayed that a couple of the the original Airmen, now in their 90s, were on the sets as advisers. I'm sure they helped with the facts.

Ram-bro

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Sean, maybe they should put an asterik next to every plane shot down and every pilot lost because you knoe it wasnt really a war and those werent real bullet. Every time the topic of the Tudkegee Airmen comes up, there is someone out there who refuses to give credit where crexit is due. I am embarrassed by some of "My Fellow Americans" attitude. Its fnny that during the war women could be ferry pilots, German prisoners had more rights thn Americans of Japanese and African descent. Today its a no never mind and is taken forgranted that these guys changed the way wa as Americans see our rights and freedoms. Before Martin Luther King there were the Tuskegee Airmen and it appears to some the experiment is still on going. God Bless America