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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Glazier, great information. What about color schemes?
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Here's one last one of G2's, this is all that I have that might interest you, I think...I'll check some more books that I have and see what I can come across, but most of them are either about JG54(GREENHEARTS), or the 109F though I believe.
    I'm glad to be of help!.

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    I have found a couple of color period photo's of a G6 and a G14 both with "erla" hood and "tall" tail. I'll post those in a bit as I have to run an errand for the wife.

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    here ya go...(just the lower picture)I'm afraid that may be the extent of what I have on the "tall" tail and "erla" hood 109G's

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    my guess is that the last pic is a G6 due to the tail wheel(not a "tall tail"), but I could be incorrect.

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Just a sign up
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    started on Tys cockpit and hatch mounts
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Started on the fuselage,4"swb bellcrank tied to  a swb 3 1/2" double horn with
    4-40 turn buckles and ball links. JR 8411 servo 6 volt. Kevlar pull pull and
    aeroworks 1 1/4 horns all for rudder only. Found an issue if I may share
    with the rudder and elevator system

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Slide both aluminum tubes thru fuse,then invert the plane and strap the main
    wing tube to a set of saw horses with the main tube level,I used an incedence
    meter.Prop the tail up between the cockpit and rudder so the thrust line is level,
    basically will look like inverted level flight.

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Check the elevator wing tube for level,again an incedence meter.Mine was off
    2 1/2 degrees. I can move my whole rudder by pulling up and down on the
    elevator tube with ease, at least 3-4 degrees either way. While doing this I
    payed attention to inside the tail wheel hatch area and noticed the fiberglass
    flexing where there should be a rudder post and also on the whole bottom
    section of the elevators

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Hummmm!
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    I removed what i would call F7,tailwheel former.Needle nose pliers and
    really no effort.Incedence went to 3 degrees.Will fab a new F7,and add
    cloth and resin to strenghthen whole rear end.
        sorry so lengthy on this,maybe save flutter or tail gear issues

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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Out of curiosity, I placed mine all together all to find out that the diameter of the horizontal stabilizers dowl hole is much larger then the metal dowl. Placement should be interesting. Wouldn't it be nice if these parts were somehow checked for quality prior to packaging! I gues these kits are like a box of chocolate...
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Hey Ram my esm tigercat stabs were the same way.....I wrapped the tubes with masking tape to center the fit and ca the tape....not saying this to be the fix but it worked
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    God stuff. I'll give it a go.
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    I'm almost to the point of fastening the horizontal stabilizers to the fuse. The alignment dowel holes are drilled and the dowels epoxied into to both stabilizers. What would be the correct incedence position for the stab?




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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    The manual doesn't mention any so I would assume other then doing it per the manual to just make sure there the same and straight. Worked for me on my Dora. I wouldn't complicate this anymore then I'd have to here.
    "IF" I'd stop staring at them, I'd get more done to them.
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Ram I'm ready to start cutting the canopy frames ....what woods and sizes do I need
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Sorry for the delay, I thought I'd have more time with your p40 progression. I used 3/32 for the top portion of the frame that curves. I used .030 styrene to overlap all parts. Light ply, 3/32 is used to reinforce the front of the canopy. The clear plastic is .030. On top and .040 on the sides for strenght. It's rock solid when completed. I have the parts sitting here which do you no good but ready to ship out later today. The temps are traced so cut along the inside
    "IF" I'd stop staring at them, I'd get more done to them.
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Sending the specs to your email.
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Sonny .C
                  Correct incedence would be  0  degrees with the thrust
                   line at zero.Just like your other planes,I checked your
                   dossier and you have very nice planes. The issue I have 
                   with mine is a=a on the main wing tube  but b does not =b on the stab
                   and the tailwheel former is not 90 degrees with the thrust line.further
                   inspection  found  thin glass moulding allowing to much flexing as well.
                   just a heads up for anyone that actually measures  this arf
                                                                       thanks
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    ORIGINAL: Ramstein44

    Sorry for the delay, I thought I'd have more time with your p40 progression. I used 3/32 for the top portion of the frame that curves. I used .030 styrene to overlap all parts. Light ply, 3/32 is used to reinforce the front of the canopy. The clear plastic is .030. On top and .040 on the sides for strenght. It's rock solid when completed. I have the parts sitting here which do you no good but ready to ship out later today. The temps are traced so cut along the inside
    Thanks Ram...Im just waiting for Robart to send the replacement parts for the gear...brand new gear by the way, but she is all ready for the maiden.
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Sweet! I'm considering the ESM version after I get the raiden!but I still want the dornier for my fleet to be complete.
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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109

    Thanks Tim,

    I'll double check the incedence of the tail feathers and be sure its correct before epoxying them to the airframe.

    My assembly progress so far:
    The assembly of the cockpit kit is moving along and about ready to paint. Will make a small servo tray for the elevator and rudder servos set low in the fuse so the cockpit floor will clear.
    Decided to go with Shinden retracts instead of Sierra (because Lenny had a set ready to go), and they have been shipped and on their way to Texas.
    Still no freakin spinner available from ESM here in the states. Grrr
    Went to test fit the engine mount cylinder. It took a lot of sanding to get that baby into the fuse.

    Still plugging away....

    Good luck with your build!


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    RE: ESM 50cc ME-109


    ORIGINAL: Ramstein44

    Sweet! I'm considering the ESM version after I get the raiden!but I still want the dornier for my fleet to be complete.
    Yeah Ram that would be a great thread to follow Got some wood rails glued in so maybe get hinges in tomorrow
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