Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
10-14-2011, 04:56 AM
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Of course ARFs should be in the Warbird Forum. It is not the Kit/Scratch Built Warbird Forum. Whatever the reason, the locking of the thread is wrong. Why didn't the moderator edit and/or delete the offending posts, even if it was half of the thread? Seems to me like a poor way to manage a forum. Delete everything, both good and bad, due to the action of a few. There is a political comment in there, but I will refrain.
10-14-2011, 05:14 AM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
Cute, I like it and totaly agree!!
ORIGINAL: LDM
Its really simple , considering we are all adults and appear to be all men , I will keep this clean and prove that its really not even a discussion that is needed .
If the all guys in this thread were out having some beers , we see 5 good looking women .
All drop dead knowkouts , assume for the sake of this post we are all single and they all have interest in us .
Unfortunitly three out of the five women are surgically enhanced into goddess like figures and two are natural yet they are all women by the pure definition of a women in great appearance.
So recapping for those of you that take the little yellow bus to RCU , 5 women , all good looking , all have interest in me and my 4 buddies , 3 enhanced (in essence ARFs) and 2 natural (kit build) but all women ..... would it matter ?
If its a warbird , and its an arf , the subject of warbird is the first topic , the reason for posting is the second (ex-bash , tweek , problem ) and the fact that its an arf is thrid
Its really simple , considering we are all adults and appear to be all men , I will keep this clean and prove that its really not even a discussion that is needed .
If the all guys in this thread were out having some beers , we see 5 good looking women .
All drop dead knowkouts , assume for the sake of this post we are all single and they all have interest in us .
Unfortunitly three out of the five women are surgically enhanced into goddess like figures and two are natural yet they are all women by the pure definition of a women in great appearance.
So recapping for those of you that take the little yellow bus to RCU , 5 women , all good looking , all have interest in me and my 4 buddies , 3 enhanced (in essence ARFs) and 2 natural (kit build) but all women ..... would it matter ?
If its a warbird , and its an arf , the subject of warbird is the first topic , the reason for posting is the second (ex-bash , tweek , problem ) and the fact that its an arf is thrid
10-14-2011, 05:27 AM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
Out of curiosity, I recently ranked the threads in this forum according to their "views," a rather crude measure of popularity/interest (just clicking on views will do this for you).
The first two pages (60 total posts) contained 51 that were devoted to actual airplanes, the remaining 9 were devoted to miscellaneous topics (motors, landing gear, techniques, etc..)
Of the 51 threads, 31 (>60%) of the most "popular" threads are devoted to discussion of ARFs, with the remaining 20 focused on actual builds (of which I included kit builds like Yellow, CARF, etc.)
Seems that ARF discussions/topics clearly have a place in this forum, because those discussions fully dominate this forum.
I like to look at them occasionally, even though I do not buy ARFs any more.
The first two pages (60 total posts) contained 51 that were devoted to actual airplanes, the remaining 9 were devoted to miscellaneous topics (motors, landing gear, techniques, etc..)
Of the 51 threads, 31 (>60%) of the most "popular" threads are devoted to discussion of ARFs, with the remaining 20 focused on actual builds (of which I included kit builds like Yellow, CARF, etc.)
Seems that ARF discussions/topics clearly have a place in this forum, because those discussions fully dominate this forum.
I like to look at them occasionally, even though I do not buy ARFs any more.
10-14-2011, 05:36 AM
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ORIGINAL: duke72
ARF'S are comparable to sky diving and paying somebody else to jump in your place , and landing with the plane,
ARF'S are comparable to sky diving and paying somebody else to jump in your place , and landing with the plane,
It is amazing these ARF vs, Build threads never get more polite or tolerant with time,, same ole, ame ole,,, sad really
10-14-2011, 05:50 AM
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A warbird is a warbird.... Just because I or someone else doesn't like an arf shouldn't preclude them from being placed in 'Warbirds' forum. The forum doesn't have wording to discriminate scratcbuilt, plansbuilt, kit or arf only.
10-14-2011, 06:07 AM
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ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
Wow, what a first post, welcome to RCU, LOL
It is amazing these ARF vs, Build threads never get more polite or tolerant with time,, same ole, ame ole,,, sad really
ORIGINAL: duke72
ARF'S are comparable to sky diving and paying somebody else to jump in your place , and landing with the plane,
ARF'S are comparable to sky diving and paying somebody else to jump in your place , and landing with the plane,
It is amazing these ARF vs, Build threads never get more polite or tolerant with time,, same ole, ame ole,,, sad really
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
10-14-2011, 06:13 AM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
Arfs absolutely belong in Warbirds. Everybody's freedom of time is the same and therefore the ARF is amongst us. I have been builing a Sig Kadet Mark II not for what seems like forever and that is because of lack of time. The ARF has given me the ability to enjoy this great hobby and learn so much about the various planes and electronics.
If it wasn't for ARFs I wouldn't be in this great hobby because I just simply don't have an over abundance of free time on my hands. I can say for sure that if I would have had to build my first plane to be able to fly it would have never happened. I can definitely say that I love this hobby and the guys that I get to meet at the field and other flying events. The Warbird events are the greatest and have tons of converstation piecese from the Turbines, B-25 and the micro electrics. Warbirds are Warbirds. To each his own and I fully support the ARFs being in Warbirds.
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If it wasn't for ARFs I wouldn't be in this great hobby because I just simply don't have an over abundance of free time on my hands. I can say for sure that if I would have had to build my first plane to be able to fly it would have never happened. I can definitely say that I love this hobby and the guys that I get to meet at the field and other flying events. The Warbird events are the greatest and have tons of converstation piecese from the Turbines, B-25 and the micro electrics. Warbirds are Warbirds. To each his own and I fully support the ARFs being in Warbirds.
Joe
10-14-2011, 06:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
10-14-2011, 06:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: duke72
ARF'S are for the lazy , incompetent who usually request help to repair, it is comparable to sky diving and paying somebody else to jump in your place , and landing with the plane,
ARF'S are for the lazy , incompetent who usually request help to repair, it is comparable to sky diving and paying somebody else to jump in your place , and landing with the plane,
10-14-2011, 06:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
Actually, I'd put money on its someone who created a new profile just to stir the pot
ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
Most likely you are right:-)
Gerry
10-14-2011, 06:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Most likely you are right:-)
Gerry
ORIGINAL: scale only 4 me
Actually, I'd put money on its someone who created a new profile just to stir the pot
ORIGINAL: GerKonig
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
Yes, one can only hope it's from an old fart on early stages of age related dementia, and not from a young person. Proof that minds are like parachutes, they work only when open.
This message really has me wondering: how many jumpers really build their own parachute?
Gerry
Most likely you are right:-)
Gerry
Hopefully, the pot won't keep stirring what he started.
10-14-2011, 07:26 AM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
Let's approch it from a different angle for a moment. If I'm a millionaire and I go out and purchase a full-scale P-51 from trade-a-plane that was ground-up restored by a world-renown restoration facility and win awards in Oshkosh, am I flying a Warbird? Likewise, if I buy a beautifully constructed kit-built F6F Hellcat from an award winning model builder and fly it in Colorado or Delaware, am I flying a Warbird? IMHO, the definition of "Warbird" is any aircraft type that saw duty in an official military capacity, regardless of combat experience or "state-of-war" at the time of service. Or something to that effect. It has nothing to do with who built it or how it was built. I place myself at your collective disposal for chastisement, but MY favorite category was recently described by a brilliant fellow modeler as "BARF". The "bashed" ARF. The guy who strips his newly puchased F4U Corsair ARF to the bones, scales it up, glasses it and does a re-paint to make it one-of-a-kind. THAT'S for me, my friends! Don't tell ME it's not a Warbird! 
10-14-2011, 11:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: B Shipp
This thread is a waste of space......make it go away.
This thread is a waste of space......make it go away.
It's not like there aren't already threads wasting space in the warbirds forum like, gas engine threads.
10-14-2011, 11:30 AM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
Absolutely, arf models are just as much a representation of military aircraft, and often moreso than that which many of us are capable of building. I laugh at many of the homebilt jobs that are so-called models of a military aircraft. I would be embarrassed to fly them. Use 'em for target practice. Now, the boys that can really build them are in a small community and who is going to question their legitimacy? For that matter, just who are these jokers that seem to think their negative opinion of arf models mean something? Grossly inflated egos? Just small minded with not enough to do? Hmmm.
Really hope this did not inflame your little mind.
Really hope this did not inflame your little mind.
10-14-2011, 01:26 PM
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Absolutely, arf models are just as much a representation of military aircraft, and often moreso than that which many of us are capable of building. I laugh at many of the homebilt jobs that are so-called models of a military aircraft. I would be embarrassed to fly them. Use 'em for target practice. Now, the boys that can really build them are in a small community and who is going to question their legitimacy? For that matter, just who are these jokers that seem to think their negative opinion of arf models mean something? Grossly inflated egos? Just small minded with not enough to do? Hmmm.
Really hope this did not inflame your little mind.
Absolutely, arf models are just as much a representation of military aircraft, and often moreso than that which many of us are capable of building. I laugh at many of the homebilt jobs that are so-called models of a military aircraft. I would be embarrassed to fly them. Use 'em for target practice. Now, the boys that can really build them are in a small community and who is going to question their legitimacy? For that matter, just who are these jokers that seem to think their negative opinion of arf models mean something? Grossly inflated egos? Just small minded with not enough to do? Hmmm.
Really hope this did not inflame your little mind.
Joe
10-14-2011, 03:34 PM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
I agree, a warbird is a warbird and an ARF is an ARF. Two totally different things, however, since a Warbird can be an ARF or an ARF a Warbird...
Seems like a stupid discussion even to be having... as much as I don't really like ARFs - there are some good ones, but a lot of them just need to be thrown in the dumpster - they have just as much right as any other here.
Seems like a stupid discussion even to be having... as much as I don't really like ARFs - there are some good ones, but a lot of them just need to be thrown in the dumpster - they have just as much right as any other here.
10-14-2011, 04:00 PM
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Of course ARFs belong in the Warbirds forum since they too can represent warbirds...some better than others; same goes for kit builts. I've seen some fantastic tear'em apart and rebuild 'em ARF bashes that have been incredible and I've seen some kit builts that were so poorly executed they would make you cry.
If you want to be a purist and differentiate how your particular warbird came to be that's cool and perfectly legitimate. You can go to the "ARFs and RTFs" or "kit building" thread. No harm, no foul unless you try to present one as the other.
I've built plenty of kits from warbirds to sport planes and have tackled a few ARF bashes as well. Each presents it's own set of pros and cons...but I will grant you that the skills and general, as well as specific, construction knowledge and experience gained and honed in kit building has been invaluable in ARF bashing. I also believe that at a certian point of rekitting an ARF it ceases to be an ARF. It doesn't rise to the point of a kit either, but some sort of 'tween spaces hybrid.
Anyway, the OP asked for Pics of ARFs and ARF bashes and there have been precious few so far...Come on guys, don't be shy, post em if you got 'em!
One's a kit and one's an ARF bash...you guess which......
If you want to be a purist and differentiate how your particular warbird came to be that's cool and perfectly legitimate. You can go to the "ARFs and RTFs" or "kit building" thread. No harm, no foul unless you try to present one as the other.
I've built plenty of kits from warbirds to sport planes and have tackled a few ARF bashes as well. Each presents it's own set of pros and cons...but I will grant you that the skills and general, as well as specific, construction knowledge and experience gained and honed in kit building has been invaluable in ARF bashing. I also believe that at a certian point of rekitting an ARF it ceases to be an ARF. It doesn't rise to the point of a kit either, but some sort of 'tween spaces hybrid.
Anyway, the OP asked for Pics of ARFs and ARF bashes and there have been precious few so far...Come on guys, don't be shy, post em if you got 'em!
One's a kit and one's an ARF bash...you guess which......
10-14-2011, 04:28 PM
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RE: Do ARF's Belong in Warbirds?
I agree with that too, I have seem some pretty bad examples of kit building, horrible - nonexistant craftsmenship - and incredibly stupid construction from kit builders.