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Old 01-24-2013, 06:02 PM
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I agree 100% Bob. Misuse of the flaps, coupled with the inherent problems of the gear placement, can make for a handful to land. I had the experience of spotting for a gent during his 3rd and 4th flights with a CARF Spit(not the same one as in the above post). His 3rd flight was great until he deployed his flaps(about 70 degrees). His plane instantly wanted to balloon and wouldn't settle in on final. He finally raised his flaps and came in hot landing in the grass at the side of the strip. After the flight he changed the throws on the flaps to 90 degrees, telling me that he had been told that he needed to set them to 90 degrees, but that it seemed like too much and he reduced it.
The fourth flight went great, and when it came time to land, he made his turn to final, and dropped the flaps. This time, there was far less ballooning, and it locked in for a beautiful landing on the mains with a short rollout(and no apparent tendency of a nose over). Huge difference.
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Check out at 1.56.  That sure looks like one taking off with flaps down at 90 degrees.


Can't get enough of this vid

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Wow this brotherhood is getting huge and I wana play too ok , I dont have the beautiful monsters that some of you have but I have a world models 80" spit and years ago I traded a super sportster 60 for a unfinished I belive a royal 90 size spity, I need to dig it out of the moth balls and finish it and find out what it is for sure maybe someone here wants copies of the plans?????? Any way I would like to join the great brotherhood please!!!!!!
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Hi Chad

the replica is a sweet bird. is there something about the shape of the rudder? It just looks kinda off. like a cross between a wide chord and the more point tip rudder.

Glazer808,
That is a spit doing a bad, landing and bouncing it! Flaps are only used for landings, not on take off in the spits.
It was just spliced into the takeoff sequence in the film. Just another poor editing job by the film crew.
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Hello f16man,
Let me be the first to welcome you to the Brotherhood!! #1 will come along and give you your number!! If you have question or just need help in your build, you will find it here!!
Again, Welcome new Brother!!!!
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Notice in the EM brakes demo; they only show tricycle landing gear models. Taildraggers generally will flip as many stated already.
I have brakes on a big F-15 and take-off hold was way cool. I will do brakes on my Ziroli B-25 but not any taildraggers. The Em brakes also look like designed for lighter/ smaller models.
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I'm in! Love this bird it's the prettiest in the sky. I have tiny umx ones, mid sized ones, and an electric CMP! Love them all-

im up for a squadron hat or something!

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I have a Pica 88" Spitfire. This was built from a forest-in-a-box. I am using an OS BGX for power, and an Airtronics SD10G to control the beast. Here is a video of her maiden flight.
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Spitfires like Mustangs will nose over if given the chance. The wheels are pretty close to the leading edge by design. If you take a look a most fighters from that period several have the same issues.
Spit flaps are only for drag period. They are either up or down with no in between. The Seafire required some Lift from the flaps so they fashioned wooden wedges and shoved them under the flap TE creating maybe 15Degrees of flap. After take off the pilot would jetison the wedges by activating the flaps for a second or two..interesting.
Hi BobH,

I think the wooden blocks you are referring to were only used by Mk V Spitfires launching from RN carriers en route to Malta in 1942. They also had to replace their old de Haviland air screws that limited them to 2,650 rpm or they wouldn't get off the deck. USS Wasp was also used to deliver Spitfires to Malta but with her longer flight deck they didn't need the wooden blocks wedged in the flaps. They also saved weight buy flying off unarmed. The ammo bays were stuffed with cigarettes for the beleagured island's smokers.

It is interesting to note that on one of these convoys a Spitfire launched from the deck (HMS Eagle I think) of a carrier started experiencing fuel problems - not uncommon with long-range drop tanks - It returned and sucessfully carried out the first deck landing ofa Spitfire without an arrestor hook.

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hi there
ive been here before looking for a canopy for my wm 80" spitybut it was going to cost me like $70 to get it delivered to me in oz
have been reading all the posts for a long time and have been enjoying what every body has had to say & do.
realy would like to join the brother hood.
here is a pixs of my spity with a scratch biult se5a
ww1 & ww2
cheers
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Great videos, all of them. Please keep them coming.
Ok here's a IMAX film, in HQ and it has one Spitfire on display in the middle of the movie. So it qualifies for this thread.
V.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30f88a8OTA

P.S. and skip the ad in foreign language
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Great videos, all of them. Please keep them coming.
Ok here's a IMAX film, in HQ and it has one Spitfire on display in the middle of the movie. So it qualifies for this thread.
V.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30f88a8OTA

P.S. and skip the ad in foreign language
Just awesome!

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Brotherhood Update, we now have 171 in our squadron.

Welcome to the Spitfire Brotherhood #:

166. f16man
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Spitfire Brotherhood
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Current Date: 1-25-2013
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If you would like to join the Spitfire Brotherhood please send me a PM or e-mail right here from RCU, or just make your request on this thread. I will track and assign you a number.

Never can tell when you may run into another Spitfire Brother somewhere, so join now.
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I maiden my H9 spit last year, so I guess I should join the brotherhood. Mine is electric with the following setup:
Aeolian 5065-380, 8s5k20c batt, CC ice 100 ESC, turning a 15x10

To avoid nose over, I use short field landing techniques. Once the wheels are down and still rolling tail high, kill the power then the flaps. When you kill the flaps the tail will come down hard.

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Thanks, Vasek.
Great video. Enjoyed it this morning before work with a cup of java.

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Who would have known.
Great to see the squadron growing.
Lot's and lotsa Spitties out there. It is a beautiful plane after all.

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I tried my hand at airbrushing acrylic paint (Tamiya)
a couple of days ago.
At first it looked really good to me in the half lit basement.
Had another look at it yesterday evening and could not stand it.
Way too much paint for the streaking and took it all off again.
As the old saying goes:"If at first you don't succeed, try and try again!"

I found Mehyl Hydrate (Gas Line Antifreze) to work a charm and is cheap too.
It takes the paint off of the monokote like it's water. Just have to
clean it up with Glass cleaner (i.e. Windex) to get the remaining paint film off
as the methyl hydrade evaporates rather quickly and leaves a film behind. I took some
pictures powder streaks so you can see what I am talking about.
It looked awful.
I will have to remember: Less is more!

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Thank you brotherhood I am honored , I love all ww2 warbirds but the spitty has a certain hotrod look with that cool looking cowl and the eliptical wing...... just plain bad to the bone!!!!!
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Here is a thought. I know this brotherhood is world wide now. But, sometime in the later part of August, our club hosts a fairly large warbird event. You can check us out at http://www.coffeeairfoilers.com/

If you go to our site, you can see the set up of our field. We have a nice paved runway, but, we also have a huge, well kept grass runway that is almost identical to the grass runways of Britain. Would make a great site for any of the brotherhood to meet and show what Spitfires can really do

Lodging is not an issue. Within 15 mile radious, there are at least 2000 rooms. (This is the area of the great Bonaroo music festival, Jack Daniels BBQ contest and the Tennessee walking horse celebration every year). Also at the local airport, there is the Beechcraft Heritage Museum http://www.beechcraftheritagemuseum.org/

So lots of stuff to do other than fly spitfires

Just contact me for info and I will relay it on as it comes.

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Awesome looking field. Sounds like a great idea. Should be about 5 hours or so from here.
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Andreas, I see planes with the smoke trails from the guns all the time and have to chuckle. The gun powder used was cordite were they took charcoal and let it absorb Nito Glycerin. It was a big advancement because this powder was less sensitive to sudden applications of G force. Though it was still corrosive to metal. And the ash from the charcoal looks just like the ash in your barbeque grill. How much do you think that stuff will stain or coat your wing skin.

The primers used iodine and mercury thus most likely to stain:
Here is a video of mercury on aluminum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY
please note its not black!
The other reactive used in the primers was iodine, this would die paint red.

But most of all the primer caustic materials would eat the barrel up really fast if not cleaned after every use. So if I were cleaning the barrel I would first clean the area im going to be touching first to keep my hands and cloths clean as possible so the max amount of staining the skin of the plane would see is from firing all onboard ammo each flight, I think that is 400rds per gun. That’s less than an oz of mercury and iodine through the 6 guns total . how much staining do you think that will do?

If I saw a picture of an me109f taken at the end of the war with tons of staining I would believe it because the plane was way past its prime, the crews probably did not give it much attention for its last few years and the Germans never repainted unless you were a dignitary (ace, commander,etc.).

Now lets talk about burnt oil stains after the exhaust. I’m sure you have run across a car that burns oil. Did you notice how it picks up dirt and holds it there, I’m pretty sure a plane that ROG’s out of a grass field will kick up its share of dust and dirt so I would expect that to look the same. But going back to the maintenance crew when they do their checks if they have to lift the hood will wipe the area down first to keep it off themselves.

I’ve been lucky enough to have seen our air forces ground crews in action and would expect the same diligence from all ground crews in WWII because that their dads and mom’s (I think the brits used women on ground crews). Today areas that see high oil shoot levels are painted black, under the wing of C-130 aft of the jet engine is a good example.

In conclusion, a case for no gun and exhaust weathering can be made, so do what you want!

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This would be a cool trip to make. In my Jetta TDI with a Spifire in the trunk.
All but 34hrs driving.

Hey, you never know.

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Hi Paladin,

your examples and logic make sense. I will rethink my plans and vision of what I want my Spitfire to look like.
I do want a little bit of gun powder andstains on it. Be visible, yet subtle.
It'll be the lightest of dusting with the airbrush and see how it goes.

Thanks for the info and advise.

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WBG,
I must say, your club has a beautiful field!!! If I was on the east coast, I would come down just to see your field!! I like your idea for some of the Brothers who live on the east coast or the mid west to meet at your club field and talk shop. Not just to talk about the Spit but to be with the Brotherhood!! It won't be long before we have 200 or more in the Brotherhood!!
Thanks for sharing your club info and don't let that field get away. She is a keeper!!!
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This would be a cool trip to make. In my Jetta TDI with a Spifire in the trunk.
All but 34hrs driving. [img][/img]

Hey, you never know.

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Lucky you! I have a bit further to travel [X(][&o]
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