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Old 02-21-2013, 12:17 PM
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Better add some glass now, or you will be adding it later. There is no free lunch...
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Thanks Brothers!!
That is why I ask!!! I am going to add the cloth this weekend!!
Thanks, again Brothers for all your input!!
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Sonny, the Spitfire is looking good. It is good inspiration to continue building.
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Jet, 

Just consider your first coat a "filler" coat.  I'd give it a healthy sanding and then lay my glass on and epoxy again.  A little trick I use on the glass cloth,  is to very lightly apply some 3M super 77 spray adhesive to the backside of  it(headliner glue) this allows you to position your glass cloth and not have it move during the application of the zpoxy.

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Jet,

Just consider your first coat a ''filler'' coat. I'd give it a healthy sanding and then lay my glass on and epoxy again. A little trick I use on the glass cloth, is to very lightly apply some 3M super 77 spray adhesive to the backside of it(headliner glue) this allows you to position your glass cloth and not have it move during the application of the zpoxy.

Casey
Casey;
Thanks for the tip and input. It been many years since I did glass work!!! I have start sanding already and you are right, that first coat fill everything. I have some of the 3M super 77 spray in the shop!!!
Thanks again for the tips and input!!!
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Jet,

Just consider your first coat a ''filler'' coat. I'd give it a healthy sanding and then lay my glass on and epoxy again. A little trick I use on the glass cloth, is to very lightly apply some 3M super 77 spray adhesive to the backside of it(headliner glue) this allows you to position your glass cloth and not have it move during the application of the zpoxy.

Casey

Yep, the spray adhesive trick works great I also buy a deck of playing cards to use as squeegies to apply the epoxy with. take off as much of the resin as you can with a playing card, catch what you take off in a cup and apply it elsewhere. You would be suprised just how little it takes to glass a plane

To me, that spit in the bones, looks like a P40 from few different angles.

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I just use my wife's credit cards lol

Saves money in ways you can't imagine!
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I just came across this video and am in awe.
I love these two iconic air planes flying side by side.
Something for the eyes and ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOm4nOTHMlc#!

Andreas
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ORIGINAL: facia

I just came across this video and am in awe.
I love these two iconic air planes flying side by side.
Something for the eyes and ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOm4nOTHMlc#!

Andreas
Happy building & flying.
Great video.... Thank you!
Old 02-22-2013, 08:47 AM
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ORIGINAL: facia

I just came across this video and am in awe.
I love these two iconic air planes flying side by side.
Something for the eyes and ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOm4nOTHMlc#!

Andreas
Happy building & flying.
Well done video. A must see!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOm4nOTHMlc#!

Thanks facia,

Old 02-22-2013, 08:56 AM
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Very nice sound. I would like to visit a Duxford museum.
Two years ago I saw FW-190 and Spitfire Mk VIII CW, and Mk XIV which flew together. It was nice.
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ORIGINAL: facia

I just came across this video and am in awe.
I love these two iconic air planes flying side by side.
Something for the eyes and ears.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOm4nOTHMlc#!

Andreas
Happy building & flying.
Andreas,
My two best war bird in the air at the same time!!!
Thank you for the great video!!!
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:37 AM
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Question to the Brotherhood;
Looking at the last video that Brother Andreas post, do you think that the P-51 and the Spitfire was a even match in a dog fight?? Looking at the vid, to me the spit was holding its own with the P-51.
Please do not start fights over this question Just want to see what other brothers feel about these two war birds!!
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:41 AM
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I just use my wife's credit cards lol

Saves money in ways you can't imagine!
Casey
Hey Casey,
You know she will just take your cards!!!
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ORIGINAL: jet22b

Question to the Brotherhood;
Looking at the last video that Brother Andreas post, do you think that the P-51 and the Spitfire was a even match in a dog fight?? Looking at the vid, to me the spit was holding its own with the P-51.
Please do not start fights over this question Just want to see what other brothers feel about these two war birds!!
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The Spitfire can out turnthe P-51 any day of the week, but the P-51 had the advantage when it came to maximumspeed.If both were put together in a dog flight, the winner would depend upon whichpilot was themost expierenced in dog fighting.

Roger

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Old 02-22-2013, 11:40 AM
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ORIGINAL: jet22b

Question to the Brotherhood;
Looking at the last video that Brother Andreas post, do you think that the P-51 and the Spitfire was a even match in a dog fight?? Looking at the vid, to me the spit was holding its own with the P-51.
Please do not start fights over this question Just want to see what other brothers feel about these two war birds!!
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The Spitfire can out turn the P-51 any day of the week, but the P-51 had the advantage when it came to maximum speed. If both were put together in a dog flight, the winner would depend upon which pilot was the most expierenced in dog fighting.

Roger
I beleive the elliptical wing of the Spitfire is one of the most (if not thee most) efficient wings out there in terms of lift and stall characterisitics which likely explains why it can out turn the P-51. The P-51 however features a laminar airflow wing which was cutting edge back then (the first of its kind I beleive). By laminar airflow, the center section of the wing was the thickest part whereas a standard wing of the day had a teardrop profile and thus, more drag. This gave the P-51 great efficiency and was able to escort bombers deeper into enemy territory than any other fighter.

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Old 02-22-2013, 12:18 PM
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quote]ORIGINAL: ForcesR

ORIGINAL: jet22b
Question to the Brotherhood;
Looking at the last video that Brother Andreas post, do you think that the P-51 and the Spitfire was a even match in a dog fight?? Looking at the vid, to me the spit was holding its own with the P-51.
Please do not start fights over this question Just want to see what other brothers feel about these two war birds!!
Sonny
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The Spitfire can out turn the P-51 any day of the week, but the P-51 had the advantage when it came to maximum speed. If both were put together in a dog flight, the winner would depend upon which pilot was the most expierenced in dog fighting.
Roger
Roger
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Roger Roger, being as we are all family here and know just how great Spitfires really are, I'm sure a little brotherly sporting fun with air warfare concepts will not only not cause fights but might even help inspire a wholesome spike in excitement about our favorite fighters. My question is: "With the same fuel load would the Spitfire still have a turning advantage at some or all air speed situations?"

Thank you in advance for information I know some of you can supply for my growing arsenal of air fighting facts that I find to be so useful as attention getting teaching aids along with our fighters to create interest in "unpopular" reality.

Breaking off the attack now.

Out.



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Update for so far today, sheeting started on the left side of the fuse. Interior kit arrived Thursday so while the glue and forming the sheeting is drying i am getting started on the interior parts. The yoke is going to be replaced with a couple of pieces of aluminum tubing PFM'd together.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:09 PM
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Looking good Steve.
I like how you mod your yoke!! The one that come with the kit, just don't look right and is a pain to glue together!!!
Took today to sand the fuse and wings, so I can start laying the cloth tomorrow!!!
Anyone watch the Nationwide race?? Bad crash on the last turn before the finish line. Some people in the stands did get hurt!!
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:04 PM
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That was a terrible wreck. Makes one wonder... Do you really want to sit close to the track?
Left side fuse sheeting is trimmed enough to begin the right side. Thought i would add a picture of one of the most versatile tools in my shop. A good ole shaving brush. It is great for dust at the workbench and cleaning up your transmitters, uses are endless (maybe ) for this inexpensive item.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:01 AM
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I believe i have found a pilot figure that will work. This is an old Gentlemen and Officers (or vice versa) pilot from my old 101" Ziroli B-25, he was used as the nose gunner and still has a bit of B-25 wood adhered to his back.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:32 AM
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Hi Steve,
I like the way you are building your yoke. Definetly strong and good looking.
I used Goop to put my two half pieces together not knowing that it eats that material.
By sheer luck the glue dried out faster than the plastic deformed and softened.
I would not have been a happy camper if the plastic would have deformed into a
ball of goo.


What does PFM'd stand for?
I have not come across this one yet.

I see that the fuselage is coming along nicely.
The pilot figure looks good too and seems to be the right size.
I had a few snags with the topflite cockpit and pilot install back when I was at that stage of my build.
There had to be quite a few cuts and add on's made in order to make it fit.
However, that was because it's made for Topflite, not Hangar 9.
It worked out in the end.

Looking forward to your status reports.

Andreas
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Thanks Andreas. PFM is a silicone (i believe) based adhesive. I have had this tube for several years. I don't use it a lot but it does come in handy from time to time. There is a fellow that sells it on RC Groups here http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1837793
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Old 02-24-2013, 01:49 PM
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Hi Steve,
thanks for letting me know.
I think it's about the same stuff as what I use on some
items called Goop.
It's like a silicone clear adhesive that bonds to just about anything and
stays just a little bit flexible. When too much force is applied, it can be
removed and does not leave any residue behind.
If you rub the dryed adhesive, it will rub off the surface.

Andreas
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