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Old 01-16-2013, 11:57 AM
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I don't think it'll fit in the Cowl. The 450r wouldnt fit in my Sis-T cowl.
See post 938 quoted below.

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I am going to install the 450r. I temporarily mounted it up on the fire wall with sheet metal screws. Its a bit too long for the cowl (less than 1/4 inch). The valve covers are hitting up front. So I can shorten the motorbox by.25'' or slide the gun cover forward a little, or add a ring around the front of the fuselage. It really is that close to fitting maybe 1/8'' off.

It shouldn't be hard to shorten the motor box. The rocker covers could also be modified or eliminated ALA Moki.

I'm also planning on running a 450R3, but on CDI ignition. It should make about 6HP on 15% nitro. running CDI @ 34* BTDC.

C&H has a prototype single module/hall sensor CDI.

250mm = 9 7/8" BTW, not 10". That 1/8" could make the difference. The FG 84 is 180 pots (same hieght as 150) on the 150 stroke (same as the FA450R3) crank/case. It is the same OA diameter as the FA450R3.

Unless they lengthened the FA450R3 rods, it will be under 8:1 compression ratio. I don't see 5.7 HP from an 8:1 CR 84cc gasser.

Now if the rods were 180 length in a 150 deck height case, that would be 12.77:1. My 12.77:1 CR FA180HC CDI engine is making 3.5 HP W/the 220 BB carb on 15%, 4 HP on 30% 8% lube glow fuel.

An FA540R3 12.77 CR methanol burner on CDI would easily be making over 8HP.
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Old 01-16-2013, 12:33 PM
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My cheating rivits going on. Wish I would've had thee years ago..
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:23 PM
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Hey Ram, Where did you get the cheatin' rivets? That looks incredibly handy!!
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:52 PM
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Werk77.com. N8622T, squared me away with this site. Thanks again my friend! If it weren't for your positive "influence", I wouldn't have gone this far on the build.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:59 PM
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I've been lurking on here for a few weeks now. I can't wait to get one of these and bash it up! I like to take all of your cool mods and I create a binder from which to work from.

Now I just need my job to help out and not downsize so I have the funds for this bird.
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Old 01-16-2013, 05:20 PM
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Saito fg57t fits in cowl with room to spare!
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:21 PM
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The question is if the not yet available Saito FG84 will fit?
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Old 01-16-2013, 06:33 PM
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Anyone sitting back installing a G-62 in this?
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The question is if the not yet available Saito FG84 will fit?
That's already been established.

FA450R3 fits therefore the FG84 being the same dimensional (in diameter) will also fit.

Motor box must be set back by 1/4".
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:32 PM
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I made some additional measurements on the firewall fit for the Saito450r. It looks like moving the firewall back 1/2" - 7/16" will be required. I went ahead and cut the firewall out and cut the key slots back 1/2". I then tack CA'd the wall back in,mounted the engine, and the thrust washer now protrudes 1/8"-3/16" past the cowl. The valve covers now clear the cowl all the way around as well.
If anyone is concerned about how well the factory glue job is, don't be. It took me close to 2 hours to get it out and cut the 5 slots. My usual trick of heating up a 1" putty knife with a propane torch and sliding it in there to melt the glue took forever. The glue does not melt, it burns!
Indeed the 450/FG84 will fit but some surgery is required.
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Old 01-16-2013, 09:52 PM
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Since the FG 57 fits so will the 300TDI if anyone wants one I have one listed to sell.
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:08 PM
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lot of good work done here so far, watching this thread closely
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Old 01-16-2013, 10:19 PM
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More work. The rivits are cool but still very time consuming..
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Whats your plan with the rivets, primer/sanding/remove rivets? Or just leave them and paint over with primer and final paint?
This is a pretty good approximation to full scale rivets but real rivets are sanded flush to the skin. (Yes, with exceptions) What you see on bare metal planes is the color difference between the metals. On painted planes you see more of an indentation and maybe the edge of the rivet. So in going with this technique I would go with sanding primer back down to the vinyl rivet and once exposed stop and paint color.
Are you doing panel lines too? Same manner with line tape and sanding?

Your going to have a pretty trick TF FW for sure, looking forward to the finished results!
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Old 01-17-2013, 07:52 AM
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Thanks Chris, this will be one to add to the bunch . Many, many years back when I was new to detailing, I was given this information. It's very helpful! Also check out RCscalebuilder.com for more helpful detailing and building tips.

http://www.tompierce.net/190/index.htm
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Old 01-17-2013, 08:46 AM
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Tom Pierce's website was a revelation to me as well Ram. Really good info and ideas for detailing. That has been up for over 10 year now. Wow! Has it been that long??
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:21 PM
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Whats your plan with the rivets, primer/sanding/remove rivets? Or just leave them and paint over with primer and final paint?
This is a pretty good approximation to full scale rivets but real rivets are sanded flush to the skin. (Yes, with exceptions) What you see on bare metal planes is the color difference between the metals. On painted planes you see more of an indentation and maybe the edge of the rivet. So in going with this technique I would go with sanding primer back down to the vinyl rivet and once exposed stop and paint color.
Are you doing panel lines too? Same manner with line tape and sanding?

Your going to have a pretty trick TF FW for sure, looking forward to the finished results!
Hey Chris, here is my recommendation to you.... Zip lip, eyes open, pay attention... Now you will actually see the work in progress reach its final completion😄. Trust me, Ram44 knows more about a FW190 in his little finger than most know in their whole body.😳
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Old 01-17-2013, 02:05 PM
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Yeah, that site was a asset among others. Thanks, I never go into details on my knowledge on the FW190 but some of this stuff just comes with the territory, especially since they’re the main plane I build. I try to venture out but the little swastikas running through my veins always bring me back; that and my fellow Luftwaffe building brethren. lol
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It took a good part of the afternoon to put in the standard non-retracting. I had been reading about how tight the Robart units is. I am sure mine wasn't as bad but it didn't fit as easy as the old Mustangs.
I use a 4/40 wire down the left side to hook into a Great Planes nylon steering arm GPMQ4264. Have to drill a new hole closer to the center. I have very little trouble with this set-up.
I don't think it looks too bad myself as it blends in nicely.

Lots of help from "Fuzzy" the cat.
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It took a good part of the afternoon to put in the standard non-retracting. I had been reading about how tight the Robart units is. I am sure mine wasn't as bad but it didn't fit as easy as the old Mustangs.
I use a 4/40 wire down the left side to hook into a Great Planes nylon steering arm GPMQ4264. Have to drill a new hole closer to the center. I have very little trouble with this set-up.
I don't think it looks too bad myself as it blends in nicely.

Lots of help from ''Fuzzy'' the cat.
Jim

How about a picture of it retracted?

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Old 01-17-2013, 05:26 PM
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Has anybody had an issue with the black fiberglass exhaust parts having cracks? I recieved 2 planes from Tower and both had cracks. I sent the first one back and recieved my replacement today. The one I got today appears to have been repaired and painted. I am pretty surprised Tower sent me this one. I will call them in the morning so I can return this one. Hopefully the third one will be better. Here are a few pictures of the repair.


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Old 01-17-2013, 07:29 PM
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Mine wasn't cracked but it was seperated from the fuse where yours is cracked, aprox 1/16.
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Old 01-17-2013, 10:22 PM
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No cracks here. Looks like they were pushed in. Like shipping damage. UPS dropped my first one so hard it cracked the tail off.
Hopefully 3rd times a charm.
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Old 01-18-2013, 12:06 AM
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Guys, my electric Robarts are very noisy, electrically speaking! When I retract or deploy on the bench, the aileron servos start jittering! The retracts have their own separate power supply so it must be the wires and their proximity. I need to add some donut filters and move some wires around.

Anyone else have this problem?
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Is that with a 2.4 system?
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