TF FW190 GIANT ARF
09-12-2013, 04:45 AM
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My own experience with the 1/5 190 reveals that it is very fond of full flaps on landing, carrying more throttle to control descent as full flaps does 'put the brakes on' during approach. I have tried landing half flaps and no flaps, and it never worked out well, even with a pronounced head wind. The plane just seems to have a better sink rate and lower stall speed with those flaps down fully. Carrying some speed and full flaps, I am able to grease it in every time, without those flaps, my landings are a lot more difficult to get right. Just my 2 cents on a hundred or so flights of experience with them..I haven't flown the TF, but it's weight is about the same as others I have flown, so I don't see it being much different...just land carrying a little more speed and you will keep elevator authority, as soon as the throttle stick is pulled back to idle, the bird is going to start dropping...so I don't dump all the throttle back to idle until I am usually only foot or two from the ground. Takes some practice, but once that "sweet spot" is found it's pretty easy to duplicate it each time.
09-12-2013, 06:16 AM
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+1. Wulfs require speed and full flaps. I've also never used half flaps on a landing. I come in high, not long with full flaps ensuring that the speed is there and flair at the few seconds. A long approach with full flaps and low speed = disaster.
But you guys do whatever works best for you.
But you guys do whatever works best for you.
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09-12-2013, 11:17 AM
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09-12-2013, 02:33 PM
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09-12-2013, 03:11 PM
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The landings I have seen of This FW 190, when it bounces is because the wing is not stalled. However you get it to be slow enough is up to you, but you have to stall the wing to avoid bounce. I will argue that this FW 190, is not the same as others kits and designs that most are familiar with. The one I saw is extremely light, and did not fly like a typical heavy metal warbird.
09-13-2013, 01:20 AM
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09-13-2013, 01:24 AM
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09-13-2013, 06:19 AM
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I saw one fly this weekend with a DLE 55 and it was not very exciting. SO what is the biggest engine someone has put in one of these. By the way, it must be build like tank! I saw 3 bad landings with noseovers and ground loops and not even a broken prop. a few weeks prior i saw it pied drived into the runway nose first on landing and barely any damage at all.
09-13-2013, 07:32 AM
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Just an FYI to those with warbirds... I'm by no means an expert so take this as a suggestion. All the longtime Warbird flyers tell me that the best landings come after getting the plane re-trimmed after dropping flaps and gear (get it dirty).
When I turn into the upwind leg of the pattern @ 1/3 throttle (no more than half) I'll drop the gear and make sure they're down and locked... Turn into the downwind leg and drop flaps (typically half flaps first then full to make sure the plane won't do anything violent like drop a wing). I'll start the re-trim process throughout the upwind leg and verify that the plane will fly level downwind leg at no less than 1/3 throttle. Make you approach into the upwind leg on runway centerline and use your elevator very little (the plane should want to fly where its nose is pointed). Cross your threshold less than 10 feet off the deck and reduce your throttle (don't cut the throttle) and watch your plane descend. When you get to a foot off the deck (not 2 or 3 feet), cut the throttle and bask in the warmth of the applause.
This method insures that by the time the mains touch the wing is close to stall and won't bounce. DON'T futz with the elevator. Your plane knows a lot more about flight than your right thumb. Since adopting this time tested approach to landings (thank you Wayne Spani) I haven't bent, bounced, dinged a landing once. I love the feeling that comes from your bird rolling out with the tail off the deck still.
Happy flights gents... BTW. This applies to almost all warbirds... There are a few exceptions (you know your plane) where level flight in slightly nose-down for an airplane (my BH Macchi with a DLE30) that would require a flair at the end to keep the prop out of the weeds.
When I turn into the upwind leg of the pattern @ 1/3 throttle (no more than half) I'll drop the gear and make sure they're down and locked... Turn into the downwind leg and drop flaps (typically half flaps first then full to make sure the plane won't do anything violent like drop a wing). I'll start the re-trim process throughout the upwind leg and verify that the plane will fly level downwind leg at no less than 1/3 throttle. Make you approach into the upwind leg on runway centerline and use your elevator very little (the plane should want to fly where its nose is pointed). Cross your threshold less than 10 feet off the deck and reduce your throttle (don't cut the throttle) and watch your plane descend. When you get to a foot off the deck (not 2 or 3 feet), cut the throttle and bask in the warmth of the applause.
This method insures that by the time the mains touch the wing is close to stall and won't bounce. DON'T futz with the elevator. Your plane knows a lot more about flight than your right thumb. Since adopting this time tested approach to landings (thank you Wayne Spani) I haven't bent, bounced, dinged a landing once. I love the feeling that comes from your bird rolling out with the tail off the deck still.
Happy flights gents... BTW. This applies to almost all warbirds... There are a few exceptions (you know your plane) where level flight in slightly nose-down for an airplane (my BH Macchi with a DLE30) that would require a flair at the end to keep the prop out of the weeds.
09-13-2013, 08:30 AM
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I called Horizon and they expect the FG84 early November... I think that's the direction I'm going to go... by the way... I installed the electric starter on the DLE55RA last night. I was worried it was going to be difficult but it was actually done in less than half an hour. The electric start gear is available from Mile High RC and it works just like you think it would. Hit a momentary switch on the radio and it starts these engines right up... I have video this weekend.
09-13-2013, 08:46 AM
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Sharam, after watching your video I felt like I had seen your flying field before. I fly at your field all the time, on my Realflight 4.5 sim. it's one of my favorite. I also want to say thanks for the landing info from the guys on this thread, it's very helpful..
09-13-2013, 09:21 AM
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I called Horizon and they expect the FG84 early November... I think that's the direction I'm going to go... by the way... I installed the electric starter on the DLE55RA last night. I was worried it was going to be difficult but it was actually done in less than half an hour. The electric start gear is available from Mile High RC and it works just like you think it would. Hit a momentary switch on the radio and it starts these engines right up... I have video this weekend.
From the Mile High RC Website, they indicated that if you use the Electric Starter on the newer version DLE55RA, like the one in your picture, that you have to drill a different mounting hole, becuase the mounting holes are set up for the normal/older version DLE55; did you actual have to do this? I have the TF GS FW190 as well and will be using the DLE55RA and Electric Start, haven't started the build yet, just getting all the stuff together that I will need.
Another quick question, this Model is designed to use the older version DLE55, is there much to modify to use the newer DLE55RA?
Thanks.
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09-13-2013, 10:16 AM
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Hi Das... The DLE55RA has a different bolt pattern than the DLE55. The DLE55 has a square bolt pattern where as the DLE55RA has the bottom bolts slightly wider. As such the bolt hole in the bracket above the electric motor above is off by about 1/4 inch. The upper bracket hole lines up perfectly (the bolt below the electric motor in the pic above). I also have the electric starter on the EME55 (DLE clone) and it only has one bolt in the bracket as well so I'm not worried about misalignment.
The only difference you'll have using the DLE55RA with this kit is that the 5 spacer plates you need included with the kit (sized for the regular DLE55) won't work... I opted to use some round hard rubber bushings (furniture feet from the Home Depot), some lite ply, and a pair of washers to get the spacing necessary to get the prop hub 7 1/4 inches off the firewall...
Just remember to mount the engine and then glue the cowl to the cowl mounting ring complete with the faux radial fan epoxied in. Here's something interesting too.. I did not hard glue the fan onto the cowl... I opted to float the faux fan piece between the cowl and the retaining ring. I'm hoping the air being forced into the cowl through that fan will actually spin it for effect.
good luck!
The only difference you'll have using the DLE55RA with this kit is that the 5 spacer plates you need included with the kit (sized for the regular DLE55) won't work... I opted to use some round hard rubber bushings (furniture feet from the Home Depot), some lite ply, and a pair of washers to get the spacing necessary to get the prop hub 7 1/4 inches off the firewall...
Just remember to mount the engine and then glue the cowl to the cowl mounting ring complete with the faux radial fan epoxied in. Here's something interesting too.. I did not hard glue the fan onto the cowl... I opted to float the faux fan piece between the cowl and the retaining ring. I'm hoping the air being forced into the cowl through that fan will actually spin it for effect.
good luck!
09-13-2013, 10:36 AM
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It is also my favorite field to fly on Realflight! Our runway about 540 ft and quite wide. Approach from the north is quite open; from the south, we have a little bit of a tree line that has gotten some people in trouble!
My thanks also to all the input re landing patterns. I won't be able to test them out this weekend - I am doing a maiden on my Jakadofsky turbine Len Mount Huey helicopter. This is a big bird weighing about 35 lbs!
09-13-2013, 10:47 AM
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I added the power of a black magic marker... I've seen so many of these planes on the flight line with little on no attention inside the cockpit... I was bored and I'm going to eventually replace the cockpit with a custom job and pilot...
09-13-2013, 12:19 PM
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I did just about the same, it needed something. here is my pilot, ready to go...
09-13-2013, 02:43 PM
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Dr scoles. The top of the motor of the dle55ra just fits inside the cowl without cuttit yet (that's using the crosshairs on the firewall for centerline). How much taller is the 85?
09-13-2013, 09:12 PM
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17mm taller in the head, and 30mm longer from the mount. I won't have to cut up the firewall, that would have been a deal breaker. I don't care it if hangs out a bit on the bottom, this plane is far from scale. My buddy and I fly them formation on every flight, great fun. But last week it was hot out( for seattle) and both our planes were lethargic. I tried a few different props, same thing. Another guy in our club had the TF P-51 out there, it was a rocket ship! I just want more authority with the plane, it would be a lot more fun if I could crank on it. Flying inverted it looked like it was hanging off the prop and I wasn't sure I could climb out inverted.