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Old 12-14-2014, 06:01 PM
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rcguy59; did you attach the cowl different from the manual recommendation (I see phillip screws)? I really like your pilot and Sierra retracts

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Old 12-14-2014, 07:58 PM
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My airplanes are for fun, not competition, so visible cowl screws are much better to me than hidden ones that are a pain to get to. The pilot is a Dragon brand Erich Hartmann I found on FeeBay. I can't wait to fly this thing. My TF GS P-51 and P-47 both fly great and I expect the same from this 190.
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Hi rcguy59! Perfectly looks! You can give the reference where bought retrakta? You aren't afraid, what will weaken screws of a canopy and will break it an air stream? I think that the pilot needs to be put slightly above, and that seems that he watches TV. Flaps when landing, it isn't necessary to lower more than 30 - 35%, there will be a fast braking and dumping on a wing. It is a widespread mistake, to follow the copy, the weight of the real plane very big, there it is necessary to reduce the speed and an enertion, in our case of it it isn't necessary. A task the flap to create additional carrying power at a small speed, additional braking with this weight of model is contraindicated.

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Old 12-15-2014, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rigofly
Hi everybody. My TF FW 190 is still in construction and I have to decide about engine. I would like to install a Saito FG84 using flexible exhaust hoses supplied with engine. Does this type of installation requires firewall modification? As far I understand the firewall modification is required with Keleo Ring muffles. Is this correct ?
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Old 12-15-2014, 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rigofly
Waiting for a gentle reply thank you very much
*Humming gently to a tune out of "the Sound of Music"*

Yes, only the Keleo needs the Mod as it will hit the Motor mount box. Without it, you can mount the engine on the existing Firewall.

Great choice of engine but I think you will miss the sound of the Keleo. I ran it with and without and the difference is like running a Lotus Elise (which sounds nice in its way) next to a Shelby GT.

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Originally Posted by zadeda
...seems that he watches TV. ..
I think he may have had a bit too much Schnapps

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Thanks for prompt reply Reverend, what about HS and LS needles? Will they interfere with firewall or not?
Old 12-15-2014, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rcguy59
My airplanes are for fun, not competition, so visible cowl screws are much better to me than hidden ones that are a pain to get to. The pilot is a Dragon brand Erich Hartmann I found on FeeBay. I can't wait to fly this thing. My TF GS P-51 and P-47 both fly great and I expect the same from this 190.
rcguy59; my question concerning how you attached the cowl was not meant to criticise. I just wanted to know how others were attaching the cowl other than what is mentioned in the manual. My FW-190 will go on the bench this winter and I want as many options as possible in the different methods of attaching the cowl. As you mentioned, I do not want to have a pain in my backside every time I install or remove the cowl IAW manual instructions.

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Old 12-15-2014, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ForcesR
I just wanted to know how others were attaching the cowl other than what is mentioned in the manual.
Roger
My way of fastening is visible on a photo.

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Old 12-15-2014, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by zadeda
My way of fastening is visible on a photo.

Zadeda; thank-you for posting the photos of your cowl mounting, very interesting method indeed
Your assistance is very much appreciated

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Old 12-15-2014, 12:21 PM
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yes, thank you zadeda. your pictures and data are very helpful to me as well =D
Old 12-15-2014, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceworm
Thank you very much. Pictures are the universal language. Please accept from me apologies for the comments from LIFER and SWORDSN.

Sincerely, Richard
Old 12-15-2014, 04:53 PM
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Hi, ForcesR. I didn't take your observation as critical, I just explained why I did it the way I did. Painting the screw heads would hide them fairly well, though I probably won't. I got the retracts and wheels from Tomas at VQ Warbirds. Excellent service.
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Thought I would post a few pics of the EME70 twin with factory starter that I am installing on my friends TBM Zero to replace ZDZ80 single. Not to hijack the thread but to help answer earlier questions about the engine.
Due to mishap I am replacing original long cowl with a Ziroli cowl closure to scale and much shorter so engine mount had to be shortened. The factory offset was maintained which produced considerable offset. This cowl is 9 7/8" id but since plugs angle downward the cowl must be measured lower. The engine plugs clear but caps will not. I will make small blisters and we are OK with this, you may not?
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Old 12-16-2014, 08:32 PM
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thanks dmyers, could one be so lucky that the exhaust blisters on the tf 190 cowl would be in just the right spot for the plug boots?
Old 12-16-2014, 08:38 PM
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Actualy the left cap will clear but the right will not due to engine center offset. The blister would need to be at lower sides of cowl. Front view shows lower angled position of plugs. I could measure offset from center line if that helps.
Old 12-16-2014, 08:41 PM
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Because of the blisters, a DLE 111 will fit in the cowl of the FW 190.(I tried it) Whether or not it's a good idea is another discussion...
Old 12-16-2014, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rcguy59
Because of the blisters, a DLE 111 will fit in the cowl of the FW 190.(I tried it) Whether or not it's a good idea is another discussion...
The CRRC-55 twin could be a good fit, its a great running engine unless you need goobs of power. The CRRC turns 20/10 very well.
Old 12-16-2014, 08:54 PM
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What the hell good is a warbird WITHOUT gobs of power?
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Originally Posted by rcguy59
What the hell good is a warbird WITHOUT gobs of power?
A Target
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Originally Posted by dmyers0403
Thought I would post a few pics of the EME70 twin with factory starter that I am installing on my friends TBM Zero to replace ZDZ80 single. Not to hijack the thread but to help answer earlier questions about the engine.
Due to mishap I am replacing original long cowl with a Ziroli cowl closure to scale and much shorter so engine mount had to be shortened. The factory offset was maintained which produced considerable offset. This cowl is 9 7/8" id but since plugs angle downward the cowl must be measured lower. The engine plugs clear but caps will not. I will make small blisters and we are OK with this, you may not?
The FW-190 cowl is 272mm diameter or 10 3/4 inch inside diameter, larger than this cowl that you mention is 9 7/8" ID. The EME70 will fit the FW-190 cowl without any issues with plug cap clearance

FW-190 Cowl is 272mm diameter or 10 3/4 inch diameter.
Engine with spark plug caps installed is 250mm wide or 9 7/8 inch wide.
Total clearance remaining is 22mm or 7/8 inch.
Divided by 2 for each plug cap = 11mm clearance for each plug cap or 7/16 inch clearance from inside of cowl.

Roger

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Old 12-17-2014, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ForcesR
The FW-190 cowl is 272mm diameter or 10 3/4 inch inside diameter, larger than this cowl that you mention is 9 7/8" ID. The EME70 will fit the FW-190 cowl without any issues with plug cap clearance

FW-190 Cowl is 272mm diameter or 10 3/4 inch diameter.
Engine with spark plug caps installed is 250mm wide or 9 7/8 inch wide.
Total clearance remaining is 22mm or 3/4 inch.
Divided by 2 for each plug cap = 11mm clearance for each plug cap or 7/16 inch clearance from inside of cowl.

Roger
PERFECT !!!! Dang-it - Now I want the FW-190. I need to quit reading these threads -- it does my addiction no good.
Old 12-17-2014, 06:51 AM
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Isn't the firewall angled for right thrust and the engine offset to the left to get the thrust washer centered coming out of the cowl? Won't this skew the dimensions concerning engine clearance?

Apologies in advance if this dampens someone's enthusiasm, but it seems to not be taken into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Lifer
Isn't the firewall angled for right thrust and the engine offset to the left to get the thrust washer centered coming out of the cowl? Won't this skew the dimensions concerning engine clearance?

Apologies in advance if this dampens someone's enthusiasm, but it seems to not be taken into consideration.

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Yes - This TBM Zero had 4.5 Degrees of Right Thrust (wow) and 2.5 Down Thrust which is considerable more (about twice as much) than I typically use. I decided to keep the stock setup since it has flown with this setup very well for past few years. It does change dimensional setup and clearance. The angle of the plugs point to lower rounding of cowl as mentioned --so you cannot use widest diameter of cowl. Hence the right plug is almost touching cowl (looking at front) and left plug has some clearance for cap.
A couple of years ago I would not have never considered plug caps sticking thru Cowl but it is no biggy anymore (getting older??) as I am not entering a pure scale contest. The smoothness of the twins are worth it. A blister cover is preferred but if not used it does not look that bad, if done neatly and painted and the airplane itself is well done. If the airplane looks crappy then the plugs look crappy!!

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Old 12-17-2014, 07:47 AM
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Wow. He wasn't lying about the DLE111 fitting in the cowl.

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