P-40 Brotherhood (All P-40's Welcome)
05-27-2017, 06:04 PM
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the other night when I was watching full size P-40s on YouTube some guy replied to a video and said that the P-40 was more maneuverable than the Mustang, and the P-40 was a better diving plane than the Mustang, and that the only thing the Mustang had over the P-40 was that it was faster at level flight
I know the Mustang was faster, but the other stuff he said I don't know, it's just what "he" said
Jim
I know the Mustang was faster, but the other stuff he said I don't know, it's just what "he" said
Jim
05-28-2017, 02:08 AM
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My only info is from film and reading material and my conclusion was that the diving was needed to attack the much faster lighter Zero.
I think its a testimonial to the P40 pilots and the skill needed to outperform planes that were faster and more nimble.
On another note I have been asked to review ---modify and publish the potential re-launch of the CMP brand of planes to the USA. Starting with the P40 E.
I like to be transparent and this is story.
The gentleman that plans of releasing the models posted on another website. I commented on how "out of scale" the model was and the days of those type releases were long gone. If you simply look at Top Flight, thru the lower end Foam models, scale equity has really improved in ARF models.
Needless to say, he took my comments to heart and I answered a lot of questions for him off line.
Fast forward as a kind jesture, he sent me a P40 for free and I volunteered to tweak the plane, post the pics, report back to my contact at CMP so he can make the mods .
SO far he has:
Added new exhaust, more support in the rear fuse, moved the main firewall back for a DLE 35RA and the firewall is also very electric friendly vs the original.
The CMP line as some of you know was a great line of moderately priced ARFs that flew great !
The planned production will be a P40 E, a Zero and a T28 .
The P40 is planned for approx 71" span, a 160 size electric motor or DLE35RA.
I am in the process of adding counter balances to the tail and splitting the flaps. I will also be adding retracts an improved cowl and possible interior.
I will be starting a separate thread on the model.
Another reason why the gentleman sent me the plane to review is that I was originally a great supported of CMP. As you can see in the pic I had two of the original P40, I have the BF109, the Spit , the P47, so my experience with the models run deep .
In the pics the original CMP P40 has the ugly rivet sticker decals the new P40 has the really bad decals lol , both wil be modified.
Some other changes made , the wing will have the mounting pins in the leading edge, unlike the old designs when you had to calculate and drill your own
I think its a testimonial to the P40 pilots and the skill needed to outperform planes that were faster and more nimble.
On another note I have been asked to review ---modify and publish the potential re-launch of the CMP brand of planes to the USA. Starting with the P40 E.
I like to be transparent and this is story.
The gentleman that plans of releasing the models posted on another website. I commented on how "out of scale" the model was and the days of those type releases were long gone. If you simply look at Top Flight, thru the lower end Foam models, scale equity has really improved in ARF models.
Needless to say, he took my comments to heart and I answered a lot of questions for him off line.
Fast forward as a kind jesture, he sent me a P40 for free and I volunteered to tweak the plane, post the pics, report back to my contact at CMP so he can make the mods .
SO far he has:
Added new exhaust, more support in the rear fuse, moved the main firewall back for a DLE 35RA and the firewall is also very electric friendly vs the original.
The CMP line as some of you know was a great line of moderately priced ARFs that flew great !
The planned production will be a P40 E, a Zero and a T28 .
The P40 is planned for approx 71" span, a 160 size electric motor or DLE35RA.
I am in the process of adding counter balances to the tail and splitting the flaps. I will also be adding retracts an improved cowl and possible interior.
I will be starting a separate thread on the model.
Another reason why the gentleman sent me the plane to review is that I was originally a great supported of CMP. As you can see in the pic I had two of the original P40, I have the BF109, the Spit , the P47, so my experience with the models run deep .
In the pics the original CMP P40 has the ugly rivet sticker decals the new P40 has the really bad decals lol , both wil be modified.
Some other changes made , the wing will have the mounting pins in the leading edge, unlike the old designs when you had to calculate and drill your own
05-31-2017, 04:52 PM
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I wonder if the price will be as good as before or will they be greedy as ESM. Don`t expect a 70" FW to still be $100 but maybe $180 - $200 would be nice. IF $300 + they not getting my money. I could build cheaper.
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06-01-2017, 01:52 AM
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I know for a fact they wont be getting your money lol !
Just to give you some facts. The planes were originally imported by Giant Scale Planes in Pa. They were selling at $300 thru $450 for quite some time, they were old, stand way off scale and just ok !
Then GSP lost exclusive rights to the USA and Nitro planes was the official distributor for CMP with some of the models coming from Texas, the cost was still $300 and about , I think the last plane that GSP was allowed to sell was the new P40 update and it listed and sold at $300 . The only planes that leaked out from $100 thru $200 were the old designs that had been sitting in shops, and product pipeline for years.
The BF109 was released at $369 and was a vast improvement for CMP in scale equitiy vs original models from CMP.
On the subject of ESM, most know ESM was sold originally by KMP, Andrew was actually a good guy, cared about the Hobby but needed to make a living. He was at the time marketing ESM under the KMP brand as the premium ARFs vs others in the market. They were better as far as glass quality, especially compared to CMP but still soft in unsupported areas of the fuse and lacking in details. I bought the last release from KMP/ESM the 75" Corsair and it was laced with problems from a poor center section, naturally tail heavy, poor flap designs, weak glass in the fuse and super over priced at $459. The retracts should have never been sold ever !
Then as you know Troybuiilt Rc took over and VQ( Texas ) the cost dropped to an avg of $300 for the smaller planes and $459 to the midsize planes and that was totally the results of distributors taking less markup vs KMP.
The reality is cost are up globally, labor is up globally so you will never see a 70" + model made of wood and glass for under $300 again unless its simply a piece of you know what lol !
If you follow the used market and trends in RC, you will see the beauty of wood/glass home built kits disappearing in swap meets and used foam ARFs showing up. Foam ( and I own some ) have very little after market value, so the need and demand for kits and better ARFs is defintly white space in the market. You not going to see a good supply from Horizon and I cant figure out Hobbico/Great Planes but i do know Hobby People are gone, Hobby Lobby gone so you we are limited in options.
CY models is only top end, and $500 plus unless they have a closeout.
So again don't think you will be interested in CMP , it will not be $300 !
I have had a lot of discussion with the current owners on offering options, kits only , kit + spinner , Kit + Spinner + retracts, not sure how they will price out but sure they will not be under $300.
Just to give you some facts. The planes were originally imported by Giant Scale Planes in Pa. They were selling at $300 thru $450 for quite some time, they were old, stand way off scale and just ok !
Then GSP lost exclusive rights to the USA and Nitro planes was the official distributor for CMP with some of the models coming from Texas, the cost was still $300 and about , I think the last plane that GSP was allowed to sell was the new P40 update and it listed and sold at $300 . The only planes that leaked out from $100 thru $200 were the old designs that had been sitting in shops, and product pipeline for years.
The BF109 was released at $369 and was a vast improvement for CMP in scale equitiy vs original models from CMP.
On the subject of ESM, most know ESM was sold originally by KMP, Andrew was actually a good guy, cared about the Hobby but needed to make a living. He was at the time marketing ESM under the KMP brand as the premium ARFs vs others in the market. They were better as far as glass quality, especially compared to CMP but still soft in unsupported areas of the fuse and lacking in details. I bought the last release from KMP/ESM the 75" Corsair and it was laced with problems from a poor center section, naturally tail heavy, poor flap designs, weak glass in the fuse and super over priced at $459. The retracts should have never been sold ever !
Then as you know Troybuiilt Rc took over and VQ( Texas ) the cost dropped to an avg of $300 for the smaller planes and $459 to the midsize planes and that was totally the results of distributors taking less markup vs KMP.
The reality is cost are up globally, labor is up globally so you will never see a 70" + model made of wood and glass for under $300 again unless its simply a piece of you know what lol !
If you follow the used market and trends in RC, you will see the beauty of wood/glass home built kits disappearing in swap meets and used foam ARFs showing up. Foam ( and I own some ) have very little after market value, so the need and demand for kits and better ARFs is defintly white space in the market. You not going to see a good supply from Horizon and I cant figure out Hobbico/Great Planes but i do know Hobby People are gone, Hobby Lobby gone so you we are limited in options.
CY models is only top end, and $500 plus unless they have a closeout.
So again don't think you will be interested in CMP , it will not be $300 !
I have had a lot of discussion with the current owners on offering options, kits only , kit + spinner , Kit + Spinner + retracts, not sure how they will price out but sure they will not be under $300.
06-01-2017, 02:05 AM
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The good news is that when I start the review and changes to the new model, my opinion will truely be 100% honest and unadulterated. I am fully employed EVP in the edible consumer products industry, i have nothing to do with CMP or the RC industry. The reason I was selected to tweak this model was I simply extended an olive branch to the new owners as a person who liked the original brand, owned and still own over 11 different CMP planes ( original designs ) and I am very familiar with the China import process with over 30 years of experience.
So they gave me a plane because I simply commented that the market has changed and it they release the same models as in the past they will not sell one ! I did not ask for one, they simply felt free time and willingness in our initial conversations to answer questions was such a kind jesture that they wanted to repay the favor. Yes its true sometimes good things happen to good people and I guess all my "paying forward" past favors paid off !
I have been making some mods to the test model for the factory to consider and will start a full thread once I get some additional parts I
So they gave me a plane because I simply commented that the market has changed and it they release the same models as in the past they will not sell one ! I did not ask for one, they simply felt free time and willingness in our initial conversations to answer questions was such a kind jesture that they wanted to repay the favor. Yes its true sometimes good things happen to good people and I guess all my "paying forward" past favors paid off !
I have been making some mods to the test model for the factory to consider and will start a full thread once I get some additional parts I
06-01-2017, 08:41 PM
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The CMP P40 will be 73" span, the quality is far better then the world models.
VQ is ok , I had two of them and the wood leaves a lot to be desired.
I used flight skin on the inside fuse after my firewall broke off on my first VQ P40.
The new VQ line ( Dauntless ect ) that is 80" plus is selling now at $489 .
VQ is ok , I had two of them and the wood leaves a lot to be desired.
I used flight skin on the inside fuse after my firewall broke off on my first VQ P40.
The new VQ line ( Dauntless ect ) that is 80" plus is selling now at $489 .
06-02-2017, 02:15 AM
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Yes sorry for the misunderstanding. Let be more clear and 100% my opinion.
As a list of P40ties ARFs that are alive or ones that have past, again my opinion
1) Top Flight 60 size was one of the best for scale equity in an ARF + Giant scale size
2)Yellow Aircraft was considered a kit but the major construction was completed -potential for the most scale
3) skyshark, no counter balance in tail, wrong size/shape gear pods
4)VQ original P40 release, no counter balance in tail, nice appearance cartoon convering
5)World models P40 nice quality but appearance was way off scale
6)LX-foam 79" P40 very scale epo - off scale in total outline but very scale in small details
7) FMS P40 B-very scale along with other EPO -Hobby King P40 N
8) New VQ P40E , better overall appearance, no counter balance in tail
9) CMP 56" P40 -very scale no counter balance in tail better overall appearance then 71" CMP P40
10) Original CMP 71" P40 - no counter balance in tail, no flaps, nice paint but cartoon rivots, blunt nose spinner ( wrong ) gear pods off shape , cowl flaps wrong position.
11) VQ Giant scale P40 beautiful paint, nice look , no counter balance in tail
In conclusion I think the two most scale ( my opinion only ) Banana Hobby LX79" P40 E, Top flight P40 both sizes
12) Blackhorse P40 , no counter balance, retracts in wrong direction, a combination of E and B mixed in one model.
13) new Phoniex Models P40 -Tower Hobbies --cartoon scale, nice model overall , has potential but need major tweaks to look scale ( even stand off scale )
14)
I hope that with the scale changes that I make, the CMP re-release will be the most scale of an ARF if the process is followed by the supplier. Keep in mind I have to make changes that can easily be done by a factory in mass production
As a list of P40ties ARFs that are alive or ones that have past, again my opinion
1) Top Flight 60 size was one of the best for scale equity in an ARF + Giant scale size
2)Yellow Aircraft was considered a kit but the major construction was completed -potential for the most scale
3) skyshark, no counter balance in tail, wrong size/shape gear pods
4)VQ original P40 release, no counter balance in tail, nice appearance cartoon convering
5)World models P40 nice quality but appearance was way off scale
6)LX-foam 79" P40 very scale epo - off scale in total outline but very scale in small details
7) FMS P40 B-very scale along with other EPO -Hobby King P40 N
8) New VQ P40E , better overall appearance, no counter balance in tail
9) CMP 56" P40 -very scale no counter balance in tail better overall appearance then 71" CMP P40
10) Original CMP 71" P40 - no counter balance in tail, no flaps, nice paint but cartoon rivots, blunt nose spinner ( wrong ) gear pods off shape , cowl flaps wrong position.
11) VQ Giant scale P40 beautiful paint, nice look , no counter balance in tail
In conclusion I think the two most scale ( my opinion only ) Banana Hobby LX79" P40 E, Top flight P40 both sizes
12) Blackhorse P40 , no counter balance, retracts in wrong direction, a combination of E and B mixed in one model.
13) new Phoniex Models P40 -Tower Hobbies --cartoon scale, nice model overall , has potential but need major tweaks to look scale ( even stand off scale )
14)
I hope that with the scale changes that I make, the CMP re-release will be the most scale of an ARF if the process is followed by the supplier. Keep in mind I have to make changes that can easily be done by a factory in mass production
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06-05-2017, 01:28 PM
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So I took the P-40 to my local flying field Sunday with hopes to have a maiden flight. This did not happen as I could not get the air retracts to work consistently. The plane was also a little nose heavy, which surprised me as I added no additional weight. It is built per the manual with the exception that it has those beautiful Sierra Giant retracts. LOL.
Since it is slightly nose heavy I am thinking about removing the ignition battery from under the cowl and moving it into the cockpit belly for easier access. I don’t think this will cause any receiver interference.
This was the first time starting the DLE 55 engine as well which seemed to run strong after ½ hour of adjustments. I also installed an iGyro 3e which a fellow RC pilot helped with the programming on my DX18QQ.
My airplane experience up to this point has been mostly with electric motors and electric retracts, I am fairly new to gas engines and air retracts.
Can’t wait to give her another try.
Since it is slightly nose heavy I am thinking about removing the ignition battery from under the cowl and moving it into the cockpit belly for easier access. I don’t think this will cause any receiver interference.
This was the first time starting the DLE 55 engine as well which seemed to run strong after ½ hour of adjustments. I also installed an iGyro 3e which a fellow RC pilot helped with the programming on my DX18QQ.
My airplane experience up to this point has been mostly with electric motors and electric retracts, I am fairly new to gas engines and air retracts.
Can’t wait to give her another try.
07-15-2017, 04:16 PM
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hey guys, quick question i'm sure has been asked a million times but i haven't found the answer yet and i hope you can save me some time.
FMS P-40B 980mm
what are you using as your CG? book says 45-50mm from leading edge.
tried to maiden mine today with a Zippy 3S-2200mah.
first take-off was aborted due to weird control issues. seemed like something was reversed but upon inspection, all checked good. very tall light and wanted to nose over into the dirt almost immediatly.
second attempt i moved battery back a touch and still acted very lite in the tail. i started to power up and go and things looked good, then nosed over and broke the prop.
so, i guess my questions are, what are you using for CG and what is the trick to take-offs? i have several tail draggers and don't have any problem with them. is my CG that far off?
thanks,
laramie
FMS P-40B 980mm
what are you using as your CG? book says 45-50mm from leading edge.
tried to maiden mine today with a Zippy 3S-2200mah.
first take-off was aborted due to weird control issues. seemed like something was reversed but upon inspection, all checked good. very tall light and wanted to nose over into the dirt almost immediatly.
second attempt i moved battery back a touch and still acted very lite in the tail. i started to power up and go and things looked good, then nosed over and broke the prop.
so, i guess my questions are, what are you using for CG and what is the trick to take-offs? i have several tail draggers and don't have any problem with them. is my CG that far off?
thanks,
laramie
07-16-2017, 01:32 AM
#1518
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Lar
on many ARFs especially the smaller formats the stated CG is wrong from the factory.
In addition the smaller planes are really seinstive to not only CG but to lateral balance.
First make sure the plane is laterally balanced, you dont need an elaborate tool just hold the nose with your finger and a hard point at the most aft part of the fuse ( with the battery installed ) and see if the plane favor one side more then the other.
Next --Goggle "MAC Determining the CG of an RC model". It will give you a diagram that you should save for every question on CG that arises in your RC Hobby lifetime.
The correct calculation for MAC is never wrong and you will never be guessing on CG. If you advance to larger planes you wont be at the field guessing and moving the CG back and forth on a high end elarbote model, you will know for sure the CG is correct before you fly.
on many ARFs especially the smaller formats the stated CG is wrong from the factory.
In addition the smaller planes are really seinstive to not only CG but to lateral balance.
First make sure the plane is laterally balanced, you dont need an elaborate tool just hold the nose with your finger and a hard point at the most aft part of the fuse ( with the battery installed ) and see if the plane favor one side more then the other.
Next --Goggle "MAC Determining the CG of an RC model". It will give you a diagram that you should save for every question on CG that arises in your RC Hobby lifetime.
The correct calculation for MAC is never wrong and you will never be guessing on CG. If you advance to larger planes you wont be at the field guessing and moving the CG back and forth on a high end elarbote model, you will know for sure the CG is correct before you fly.
07-27-2017, 05:29 PM
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I have two skyshark p40n models both have g62s and sierra gear an are very fast.My opinion is that they are the best looking arfs on the market the top flight p40 GS has too small of a chin and cowling looks tacky in my opinion.I am currently building a Jerry Bates 82" p40e and it will definitely be best looking scale p40 I have.
09-15-2017, 11:18 AM
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I am attempting to find a build thread named "ZIROLLI 94 P-40 WARHAWK BUILD" but with my luck, I haven't found it. About a year ago, I copied some of it to my laptop - but not all of it. I'm trying to get a complete build thread to make it go a bit easier. I recall it was detailed and showed a bunch of things that could be tricky unless you knew about the issues. I can't find it. I would appreciate it if anyone knows of the link to the thread.
I have two Zirolli kits - its time to build the one with the fiberglass fuselage. The P-40 has been on my must build list for about 20 years so its time to get it done.
Dan
I have two Zirolli kits - its time to build the one with the fiberglass fuselage. The P-40 has been on my must build list for about 20 years so its time to get it done.
Dan
09-16-2017, 04:58 AM
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I found it. I just remembered to not use RC Universe to do a search - search the web and it points you back to RC Universe. This is the link -
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-w...awk-build.html
And from re-reading it, I'm going to search for one other thread. As much as I have enjoyed building models over the past 60 years or so, it sure makes it easier when someone else solves some of the problems for you - or gives you a different way of doing something. Once I get all the outdoor stuff done before winter and take my planes out of the trailer and get them stored in the basement, its time to start a P40.
Dan
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-w...awk-build.html
And from re-reading it, I'm going to search for one other thread. As much as I have enjoyed building models over the past 60 years or so, it sure makes it easier when someone else solves some of the problems for you - or gives you a different way of doing something. Once I get all the outdoor stuff done before winter and take my planes out of the trailer and get them stored in the basement, its time to start a P40.
Dan
09-24-2017, 05:41 AM
#1524
Originally Posted by Luft-Gangster;12332366[u
]Please add me to the P-40 Brotherhood[/u]. Been out of the hobby for the last 4 years because of a knee injury. Finally got it operated on 4-28-17. Plan on being able to get up and down again. Have a Top Flite Gold half built.
Thanks
Leroy
Thanks
Leroy